Harapeko Oyako to Motokare Yanushi - Ch. 12

[kn4ll]

This is weird and it makes me worry... where are the haters? Too many normal comments for my taste.

Leaving that aside, even tho I'm enjoying this, I wonder when we are going to get some context about anything. 0 answers so far.

Haters have been gone for a while. My guess is that it's only so far you can read something you're not really interested in.

 

[WANgue]

Ah, sure. The 1/2 reasons one of the main characters exists is irrelevant.

Why? Because the identity of the girl’s father is SUCH A LINCHPIN TO THE PLOT?

 

[kn4ll]

Coming chapters look fun. For some reason this has become one of the manga I look the most forward to.
Edit: Ended up even buying the raw chapters because I got too curious about what's next.

 

[Takuma_Aki]

wasn't the sketch said to be old?

It is; I mentioned it, too, that it was supposed to be when she was young.

I know it is possible but I just wanna take a jab; that's all

 

[imsevlol]

sooooooo kewt need more ty for chapter

 

[Mangamoz]

Still getting an undertone that the father may have passed away.

 

[kn4ll]

This place is going to be so much fun when chapter 14 is translated. I need to buy more popcorn.

 

[kn4ll]

That is my bet, I think the break up from 17 years ago was related to family problems that made her move out, and somewhere down the line she adopted the daughter from a relative who passed away or something like that

Could be this, reason she breaks up in backstory in chapter 14 is apparently because of family reasons. We don't get a lot of information though.

 

[MandrakeKing]

This is weird and it makes me worry... where are the haters? Too many normal comments for my taste.

Leaving that aside, even tho I'm enjoying this, I wonder when we are going to get some context about anything. 0 answers so far.

"She's a leech" was kinda all most of them had going for them, so once it was proven that she was contributing to the household, they had nothing to complain about. Now the only thing people have to whine about is who the girl's father is

 

[Zv521T65pXcfv6Kt]

"She's a leech" was kinda all most of them had going for them, so once it was proven that she was contributing to the household, they had nothing to complain about. Now the only thing people have to whine about is who the girl's father is

gonna laugh when the manga offers an explanation for who minori's biological mother is and the father is never named. at this point it seems inevitable that she's kyou's niece

 

[NotSomeone]

The daughter is precious, she must be protected... And by God, if it comes to that, blood shall be spilt.

 

[kn4ll]

gonna laugh when the manga offers an explanation for who minori's biological mother is and the father is never named. at this point it seems inevitable that she's kyou's niece

Sure smells like something like that. Massive spoilers from chapter 14 ahead, read at your own risk.

Spoiler

After that,
I stopped seeing Kyo at school
The next time I saw her was when she visited my place
I’m thinking of quitting university
W-What? Out of nowhere
Ah—well, it’s kind of a family thing
I wasn’t that into it anyway...
So yeah



I want to break up
Huh?
Takaharu, you’re working hard right now, right?
I need to get a job too
Being together...
You know?

 

[HaartieeTRUE]

Why? Because the identity of the girl’s father is SUCH A LINCHPIN TO THE PLOT?

When one of the main subjects is the romance story that existed, stopped existing, and is probably rekindling, between 2 people of which one in the meantime had a child, the SOURCE OF THAT CHILD can and likely WILL BE a problem that needs to be resolved.

 

[HaartieeTRUE]

Could be this, reason she breaks up in backstory in chapter 14 is apparently because of family reasons. We don't get a lot of information though.

I guess they're unironically pulling the 'it's not actually her daughter' card

 

[HaartieeTRUE]

gonna laugh when the manga offers an explanation for who minori's biological mother is and the father is never named. at this point it seems inevitable that she's kyou's niece

I still don't understand why the absolute f that is hidden if that's the case. Is it so shameful ? So unusual to be raised by an aunt or something ? I don't get it. The story just keeps jumping from stupid reasoning/behavior to stupid reasoning/behavior.

First not-mom and not-daughter pair commit/almost commit burglary instead of being patient and waiting at the front door or something
Then house owner just * accepts * the situation without asking a SINGULAR QUESTION
Pair does not present one on their own either
Readers aren't presented a reason
Story simply mentions guy and his ex weren't in contact for 17 years , implying she ghosted him (in the absence of any other information, or the usual 'broke up' mention)
we wait ELEVEN CHAPTERS TO CLARIFY ABOVE ^ THAT IT WAS INDEED JUST A BREAK UP
now we might see that the daughter is not actually a daughter, in like 14th chapter or something, WHEN THIS KIND OF INFORMATION COULD HAVE SIMPLY BEEN PRESENTED SINCE CHAPTER 1 INSTEAD OF .... DUNNO LYING?????

Here let me simplify the story as i actually see it going, as if it were through the lens of normal functioning adults, without weird cliffhangerry tricks:

"Let's go to a guy i know, he might be able to provide shelter"
"Oh, he's not home. Let's wait outside a bit, OR CALL SOMEONE, AND LET"S NOT TRY TO SNEAK INTO HIS HOUSE"
"Oh, what's with you out here ? Didn't see you in 17 years"
"Ohh yeah, hehe.... Me and my niece(or watever she is) are in a bit of a pickle and we're... a bit homeless at the moment, and we were hoping you could help us a bit"
"Oh that's bad. Sure, i'll let you stay. What's the situation tho ? What can i do to help"
not-mom/not-daughter pair explains like functional humans

Literally all the cute stuff can still happen. Absolutely nothing of the 'good stuff' of the story changed, other then the absurd speculation spawned solely by plot stupidity, and character stupidity. All the "you still like her, don't you" dialogue still happens. We already know the girl is not his daughter, so now we instead just sidestepped the vein-popping issue of "WHO'S THE DAMN FATHER, AND WHAT RELATIONSHIP DID HE HAVE OR STILL HAS WITH THE MOTHER?". Girl can still be the adorable cute and completely innocent fluffball that she is.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED. It's literally just information that should have been present IN THE FIRST 3 CHAPTERS.

 

[Zv521T65pXcfv6Kt]

I still don't understand why the absolute f that is hidden if that's the case. Is it so shameful ? So unusual to be raised by an aunt or something ? I don't get it. The story just keeps jumping from stupid reasoning/behavior to stupid reasoning/behavior.


Here let me simplify the story as i actually see it going, as if it were through the lens of normal functioning adults, without weird cliffhangerry tricks:

Literally all the cute stuff can still happen. Absolutely nothing of the 'good stuff' of the story changed, other then the absurd speculation spawned solely by plot stupidity, and character stupidity. All the "you still like her, don't you" dialogue still happens. We already know the girl is not his daughter, so now we instead just sidestepped the vein-popping issue of "WHO'S THE DAMN FATHER, AND WHAT RELATIONSHIP DID HE HAVE OR STILL HAS WITH THE MOTHER?". Girl can still be the adorable cute and completely innocent fluffball that she is.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED. It's literally just information that should have been present IN THE FIRST 3 CHAPTERS.

i think that chapter 6 already laid some of this out when kyou had to explain to minori that a) dating someone doesn't mean marrying them and b) minori would still be her daughter if that happened. that exchange only really makes sense if minori doesn't know her dad (because she would understand that she's kyou's daughter regardless) and if kyou has been single for as long as minori can remember (because she would already know that dating is not an engagement).

 

[MandrakeKing]

I still don't understand why the absolute f that is hidden if that's the case. Is it so shameful ? So unusual to be raised by an aunt or something ? I don't get it. The story just keeps jumping from stupid reasoning/behavior to stupid reasoning/behavior.


Here let me simplify the story as i actually see it going, as if it were through the lens of normal functioning adults, without weird cliffhangerry tricks:

Literally all the cute stuff can still happen. Absolutely nothing of the 'good stuff' of the story changed, other then the absurd speculation spawned solely by plot stupidity, and character stupidity. All the "you still like her, don't you" dialogue still happens. We already know the girl is not his daughter, so now we instead just sidestepped the vein-popping issue of "WHO'S THE DAMN FATHER, AND WHAT RELATIONSHIP DID HE HAVE OR STILL HAS WITH THE MOTHER?". Girl can still be the adorable cute and completely innocent fluffball that she is.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED. It's literally just information that should have been present IN THE FIRST 3 CHAPTERS.

The end of the first chapter Protag says: "Kyou, we should talk about your living situation" during dinner. Start of second chapter, he makes his decision while they're cleaning up after dinner. This implies that he did in fact, ask questions. Even before that, they implied a conversation happened with the Protag's narration summarizing it and scolding her for not contacting him sooner.

Nothing actual implied that she "ghosted" him. In the absence of information, y'all made up your own narrative that painted her in a bad light. I've been assuming they just broke up this whole time

Adopted or not, the girl is still her daughter. The circumstances of her birth don't really matter, as their relationship is "child and guardian"

The Protag forgetting to ask about the girl's father is pretty telling in how much he actually matters to the story. There wasn't really an issue that needed sidestepping

It's amazing how many extra conflicts a story can have when the readers manufacture them on their own.

 

[sw9ne]

Sure smells like something like that. Massive spoilers from chapter 14 ahead, read at your own risk.

Spoiler

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After that,
I stopped seeing Kyo at school
The next time I saw her was when she visited my place
I’m thinking of quitting university
W-What? Out of nowhere
Ah—well, it’s kind of a family thing
I wasn’t that into it anyway...
So yeah

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I want to break up
Huh?
Takaharu, you’re working hard right now, right?
I need to get a job too
Being together...
You know?

Spoiler

Expected development. I feel like out of all the potential reasons to breakup and come back with a child, this reason would get the least amount of readers upset.

 

[kn4ll]

Spoiler

Expected development. I feel like out of all the potential reasons to breakup and come back with a child, this reason would get the least amount of readers upset.

Considering that it's soon time for the first volume release, it doesn't really surprise me that the artist might want to keep as many readers as they can to sell enough to continue. Houbunsha manga probably haven't got the highest sales numbers to begin with either.

 

[HaartieeTRUE]

The end of the first chapter Protag says: "Kyou, we should talk about your living situation" during dinner. Start of second chapter, he makes his decision while they're cleaning up after dinner. This implies that he did in fact, ask questions. Even before that, they implied a conversation happened with the Protag's narration summarizing it and scolding her for not contacting him sooner.

Nothing actual implied that she "ghosted" him. In the absence of information, y'all made up your own narrative that painted her in a bad light. I've been assuming they just broke up this whole time

Adopted or not, the girl is still her daughter. The circumstances of her birth don't really matter, as their relationship is "child and guardian"

The Protag forgetting to ask about the girl's father is pretty telling in how much he actually matters to the story. There wasn't really an issue that needed sidestepping

It's amazing how many extra conflicts a story can have when the readers manufacture them on their own.

"This implies that he did in fact, ask questions."
No, that's assumptions
"The Protag forgetting to ask about the girl's father is pretty telling in how much he actually matters to the story."
Further assumptions.
Normally when you just ignore/don't address something, we call that 'bad storytelling'. WHY? BECAUSE READERS/VIEWERS ARE LEFT TO WONDER ENDLESSLY FOR NO REASON. Stop with the 'ya'll are assuming the worst, just think of the best' toxic positivity bs like anyone criticizing this is some fringe minority, and all the actual readers are only YOU.
IT'S YOU WHO REFUSES TO THINK IF THE WORST SITUATION POSSIBLE IS A POSIBILITY. IT'S YOU WHO ASSUMES DISCUSSIONS HAPPEN WHEN THEY AREN'T PRESENTED VISUALY OR VERBALY. IT'S YOU WHO DOESN'T CONSIDER THE GIRL"S SITUATION AN ISSUE, DESPITE SPOILERS CLEARLY INDICATING THAT IT'S A POINT THAT WILL BE RAISED DOWN THE LINE AND NOT A VERY HAPPY ONE, SINCE IT'S ALSO RELATED TO THE BREAKUP . IT'S YOU WHO ASSUMES EVERYTHING IN THE STORY IS HAPPY DESPITE BREAKUPS ALREADY NOT BEING HAPPY FOR ANY REASON, MILD OR SEVERE

Tl;dr I'll keep it short: no. NOT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE/WILL BE/WILL NOT BE HAPPY AND FLUFFY. Dark and sad stuff can and DOES happen in the cutest and happiest of stories. STOP ASSUMING NOTHING SAD/BAD WILL HAPPEN JUST BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A STORY. YOU are assuming positivity all the time, I am simply being realistic. Want a clean example of this ? Clannad + Clannad Afterstory is EXACTLY A FLUFFY CUTE STORY FILLED WITH TEAR-INDUCCING TRAGEDY NEAR THE END.

Will it have such tragedy or sad events like Clannad ? I don't know.
Will it be happy till the end, with only sunshine and rainbows ? I don't know, BUT YOU SURE AS HELL THINK YOU DO, À LA NOSTRADAMUS