Harapeko Oyako to Motokare Yanushi - Ch. 5

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"I didn't see it, therefore it didn't happen" is still an assumption. Under your logic, she never actually asked to live with him, because they didn't actually show her asking to live there. He also never offered to pay her living expenses. That's just an ASSUMPTION you are making based on nothing. You are assuming a conflict exist, despite there being no evidence, when it's far easier to assume there just is no conflict

He did ask to talk about her living situation at the end of the first chapter and he gave his answer at the start of the second chapter. This implies that they had a conversation about her situation and likely what her plans are. This isn't some wild assumption or mental gymnastics, this is basic reading comprehension.

Also, due to how they completely glossed over the girl's father, he's likely completely irrelevant to the story


Because it's being comedic. The humor is coming from how awkward & silly the whole situation is.


Because anything that isn't explained in the first chapter is going to have people whine about how the story "isn't tackling it's baggage". The reason is largely irrelevant, as she just needs an excuse to be there (hence why the details were glossed over & we're only getting dripfeed info after the fact).

First, you are wrong: taking a story at face value isn't making assumptions about it, it's literally the opposite. I'll make the correct argument for you, and say that a story can't possibly show everything that happens, and that the author may decide to gloss over some details at time.
My underlying point is that given what the author is showing us, there is NO reason to assume she is paying, because they don't behave as if she is (they never talk about money, they never talk about when she is going to get paid next, she never mentions doing something back for him, no mention of how long they might stay at most, he mentioned he'd be fine if she was tricking him, which implies he has something to lose from this arrangement, etc). Nothing that would be even tangentially related is brought up (food expenses, bills, chores, whatever). The only thing we have to assume she is paying him back is that "she is a decent person", which seems to be the case in the author's intentions, but that's still pretty damn weak. Him giving her the answer means little when he pretty much tells us he'd be fine with being tricked by her, we cannot expect him to behave rationally at all times.

The father MIGHT be irrelevant to the story, but the author chose to make these two have no contact for 17 years, during which she got a kid and now that she is in need the person is nowhere to be found. This is pretty important for the plot: if he is still around, for example, he might not be happy with his daughter living with a stranger and/or might be okay with hosting his ex-wife and his daughter for a while, and there are a bunch of other possibilities I hopefully don't need to list. I don't want a 20 pages essay on the life of this character, but I need to know why he isn't helping instead of the protagonist (and again I don't need the deepest, darkest secrets motivating them, it's enough to know if he is dead, if they had a falling out or whatever). It's much more reasonable to expect him to help over the protagonist, unless something went wrong, and since this is essential for the plot to unfold the way it does, I would expect it to be addressed at the early stages, all the more if it doesn't matter (just get it out of the way).

I am glad you see the comedy, but this to me seems anything but, outside of "Kyou is a klutz beyond belief" (which at times IS funny, I must admit).

You can't write a story where the characters both exist in a vacuum and also have these super intricate backstories to justify their current predicament but we can't possibly address or know about it unless it's convenient for the author. I mean, you CAN, but it's garbage. We don't even get a NOD to this stuff (the protagonist asking, her showing some reluctancy, and him dropping the subject for the moment), and that's bad.

If the starting point was more ordinary, there would be less need for scrutiny (honestly, them keeping contact instead of being strangers for 17 years would probably solve all issues), but the author created extraordinary circumstances, and treats this as both perfecty normal and really fucking weird at the same time, while tip-toeing around giving any definitive answers.

P.S.
I get that this exchange has gotten long, so if you want to we can just agree to disagree after this or your next reply, because I feel we'd start going in circles next.
 
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First, you are wrong: taking a story at face value isn't making assumptions about it, it's literally the opposite. I'll make the correct argument for you, and say that a story can't possibly show everything that happens, and that the author may decide to gloss over some details at time.
My underlying point is that given what the author is showing us, there is NO reason to assume she is paying, because they don't behave as if she is (they never talk about money, they never talk about when she is going to get paid next, she never mentions doing something back for him, no mention of how long they might stay at most, he mentioned he'd be fine if she was tricking him, which implies he has something to lose from this arrangement, etc). Nothing that would be even tangentially related is brought up (food expenses, bills, chores, whatever). The only thing we have to assume she is paying him back is that "she is a decent person", which seems to be the case in the author's intentions, but that's still pretty damn weak. Him giving her the answer means little when he pretty much tells us he'd be fine with being tricked by her, we cannot expect him to behave rationally at all times.

The father MIGHT be irrelevant to the story, but the author chose to make these two have no contact for 17 years, during which she got a kid and now that she is in need the person is nowhere to be found. This is pretty important for the plot: if he is still around, for example, he might not be happy with his daughter living with a stranger and/or might be okay with hosting his ex-wife and his daughter for a while, and there are a bunch of other possibilities I hopefully don't need to list. I don't want a 20 pages essay on the life of this character, but I need to know why he isn't helping instead of the protagonist (and again I don't need the deepest, darkest secrets motivating them, it's enough to know if he is dead, if they had a falling out or whatever). It's much more reasonable to expect him to help over the protagonist, unless something went wrong, and since this is essential for the plot to unfold the way it does, I would expect it to be addressed at the early stages, all the more if it doesn't matter (just get it out of the way).

I am glad you see the comedy, but this to me seems anything but, outside of "Kyou is a klutz beyond belief" (which at times IS funny, I must admit).

You can't write a story where the characters both exist in a vacuum and also have these super intricate backstories to justify their current predicament but we can't possibly address or know about it unless it's convenient for the author. I mean, you CAN, but it's garbage. We don't even get a NOD to this stuff (the protagonist asking, her showing some reluctancy, and him dropping the subject for the moment), and that's bad.

If the starting point was more ordinary, there would be less need for scrutiny (honestly, them keeping contact instead of being strangers for 17 years would probably solve all issues), but the author created extraordinary circumstances, and treats this as both perfecty normal and really fucking weird at the same time, while tip-toeing around giving any definitive answers.

P.S.
I get that this exchange has gotten long, so if you want to we can just agree to disagree after this or your next reply, because I feel we'd start going in circles next.
Taking something at face value means ASSUMING the information being presented is true and ASSUMING background details that would allow the presented information to be true. This information would continue to be considered true until new information proves (or at lease implies) otherwise.

You (and the other people hating on the story) have NOT been taking the story at face value. Y'all have been speculating about worse case scenarios.

The reason we're going in circles is because you stance is "You can't prove the conflicts I'm making up aren't happening", while mine is "Until a conflict is actually brought up, it does not exist". While it's technically true that I can't prove that your speculations aren't happening, you can't actually prove that they are happening either

You are right that we aren't getting anywhere as the way we approach media seems to be fundamentally different. I agree we might as well stop here. Have a good day
 
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It's now 400+ coms
And the common is "YES WE ALL HATE THAT B1TCH, AND THE SIMPING GUY"
But to think about that, I also have a theory: is he the REAL father? That's why she come back to him?
If not, I hope he has enough courage to cut the crap out of her (means yeah, she's a real b)
 
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I'm not sure if this story is really meant to be cute or dark. Just because it acts cute doesn't mean it is. Manga has bitten me before with that. No I'm mainly frustrated that she won't have a serious conversation with him about this even though he has given her the respect to not ask about her situation and to help her and her child. Whether she intends to or not she is using him and in a way I feel like she knows will get the results she wants. I want to like her. I really do. But the current trajectory only shows this guy losing any sense of freedom to this mess that's not even his problem.
Its absolute asinine that people are actually arguing this is tagged as a Slice of Life manga therefore ergo all negative comments is vitriol and sexist, just consoom and enjoy, somethingsomething incels dehumanizing this (fictional) mother :meguuusad: . ...And the majority are agreeing with it.

But then again this is mangadex comment section and the majority here are coomers :huh:

Anyways, this chapter only makes the premise/"plot" even weirder. The mom doesnt even give the vibe of an adult like....at all. Not even once :huh:
 
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It’s so farcical that he doesn’t ask about her situation and she doesn’t feel obligated to explain it. It’s quite inconsistent with the personalities of the people involved.
This just made me realize why this story is failing for me.

The characterization is all over the place which explains why the vibes are so....icky. This is not iyashikei at all.
 
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It started in chapter 3... is because the guy needed to push her to get the fuck out of the house... all the hate comes from this, ok to help someone you know... it doesn't matter if she has a daughter, the problem is that she is literally trying to live there forever. And majority of guys don't like it at all.

Is super simple, I don't know what is all of the confusion. Is just too real for alot of dudes having someone trying to take advantage of your kindness even if he was alone and shit.
She seems to be working, that's not freeloading... she never said she is living forever and she hasn't been there for too long either. I'm sure if she didn't have a kid, this comment section would be totally different.
 
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At this point it’s seems like the moms true aim is to have MC be a replacement dad for his daughter so that his daughter would continue have a ”dad”, knowing that he won’t say no to that.

I don’t know if this is a heartwarming decision or just plain awful.
 
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Bro, I can feel in my bones that one way or another the daughter is his... Even tho the age don't match all this feels weird...
 
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you know what i'm also pretty sure that if i was reading the description of a romance novel and it was something along the lines of "single mother left homeless after her apartment is destroyed is forced to move in with financially stable professional painter who owns his own residence, is a fantastic cook who prepares every meal for her, takes care of all of the household chores, likes animals, gets along with her kid, but is also slightly brooding despite having secretly been in love with her for like 20 years after they briefly dated in college" i'd 100% assume that it was a self insert fantasy for single moms.
As this is a comic, the characters end up being drawn. The girls are depicted with far more detail (big eyes, permanently flushed cheeks, suggestive/compromising getup (in this chapter at least)) than the guy(s) (basic, non-descript, perfect for self-insertion). It's pretty clear the target demographic is men.
 

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