Hatsukoi Losstime - Vol. 2 Ch. 8 - I Hear the Ticking of Time, Part 2
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Thanks for the translation! Appreciate the fast pace you’re putting these out at.
Edit: Read your notes, you really put in work! Thanks!
Ah, forgot to talk about the chapter. The guy’s a great teacher, having his student’s growth as a catalyst for his personal problems. Like, it’s not the best reason for sure, but seeing Aiba’s growth really did make him feel proud. I like that. He’s not an antagonist, but just another person who has their own troubles.
Edit: Read your notes, you really put in work! Thanks!
Ah, forgot to talk about the chapter. The guy’s a great teacher, having his student’s growth as a catalyst for his personal problems. Like, it’s not the best reason for sure, but seeing Aiba’s growth really did make him feel proud. I like that. He’s not an antagonist, but just another person who has their own troubles.
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The end of the journey nears.
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The author did a good job at not making me hate the teacher here. That would have been the easy option, but he didn't do that. No, instead he made the teacher have understandable reasons for why he wasn't trying to help his daughter. They are cruel ones, but he was afraid his family would lose him if the operation went wrong. Equally, he knew that he could only resist so long as he didn't meet his daughter. Doing so would leave him to inevitable take part in the operation, so he desperately wanted to not meet her.
Also I can't believe I missed that obvious clue in chapter 1. I even went back and looked and just as the MC said, the teacher had his back to him in one scene yet was turned around when he left school.
Also I can't believe I missed that obvious clue in chapter 1. I even went back and looked and just as the MC said, the teacher had his back to him in one scene yet was turned around when he left school.
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Still confused how this is sci fi related. Seemed more like Your name in terms of its usage of the stopped time. There wasn't much substance supporting the science part. But regardless, you do you. Good luck on the last chapter and thanks for the read!
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The science part is pretty barebone, but so far as it focuses on the time as variables, it's... sciency, I guess? It just licks the surface of the Special Relativity but that's really all you can expect from a manga. Then it devolves into metaphysics of perception and shared experience. At that point, it pretty much breaks apart as anything approaching science. Still, it's fun to make it sound like it made some kind of sense but it's not something I want to try again any time soon.
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One factual note: Martin Heidegger was NOT an actual Nazi, much less an enthusiastic one. Please keep your facts straight; after all, referring to anyone as an enthusiastic Nazi is no small accusation. The thing about Heidegger was that he never said anything one way or another about the Nazis or their program. I am not condoning his complete silence on the matter of the Nazis (please don't get me wrong here), I am simply trying to prevent false accusations like this and keep the correct wrongs associated with the actual perpetrators. (A pickpocket, while not innocent, does not deserve to be considered the same ilk as a burglar, after all.) What Heidegger did was not by any means good or justifiable, but it wasn't the sort of horrendous evil which we rightly associate with true enthusiastic Nazis, and Heidegger's actual position and its effect on his philosophy is a matter of much scholarly debate: that's the actual way the cookie crumbles.
...There are a lot of less credible sources out there which basically accuse anyone who did not oppose the Nazis as being just as evil as they themselves were. While there were people who certainly fell under that designation, people and history are never so simple. In short, please tread carefully! Regardless, ThePaulBunyanTrophy, thank you for your hard work!
Regarding the actual chapter, I'm also a bit embarrassed I didn't notice that clue in chapter 1, but it was quite subtle (the kind of thing you often chalk up to an error on the mangaka's part). That aside, the author did a great job with all of the characters (I agree with TakeiDaloui).
...There are a lot of less credible sources out there which basically accuse anyone who did not oppose the Nazis as being just as evil as they themselves were. While there were people who certainly fell under that designation, people and history are never so simple. In short, please tread carefully! Regardless, ThePaulBunyanTrophy, thank you for your hard work!
Regarding the actual chapter, I'm also a bit embarrassed I didn't notice that clue in chapter 1, but it was quite subtle (the kind of thing you often chalk up to an error on the mangaka's part). That aside, the author did a great job with all of the characters (I agree with TakeiDaloui).
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Heidegger was a Nazi, as in an actual card carrying member of the Nazi party. He espoused the same anti-Semitic views, quite forcefully in fact, and never made any apology for them. Many people can be afforded the luxury of silence even on controversial issues. But not Heidegger. He doesn't get to stay silent.
Heidegger was a Nazi, as in an actual card carrying member of the Nazi party. He espoused the same anti-Semitic views, quite forcefully in fact, and never made any apology for them. Many people can be afforded the luxury of silence even on controversial issues. But not Heidegger. He doesn't get to stay silent.
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One, please carefully re-read my previous post: I did not in any way show approval of his silence. Two, once more, please be careful of your sources (and standards, I should add).
I hope that you are not anachronistically applying the standards of a normal situation to a decidedly abnormal one. Nazi Germany was exceedingly abnormal for a lot of reasons. Most Germans were officially members of the Nazi party: you and your family would easily get in trouble if you didn't (because Nazi Germany had legal "blood guilt"). Being a member according to their official books is not what is typically understood by referring to someone as a Nazi, rather, the term is mostly applied to individuals who were active members. Semantics aside, from what you are saying, I can't help but wonder what sources you looked at. Try the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, for one. The Encyclopædia Brittanica is another credible source.
Additionally, I never said that Heidegger's silence after the war was at all justifiable. I simply meant that it is wrong to defame anyone, especially when it means comparing them to the likes of actual enthusiastic Nazis. I'm talking about monsters like Joseph Goebbels, Oswald Pohl, Elsa Ehrich, Heinrich Himmler, Ilse Koch, Irma Grese, Wilhelm Boger, and Josef Albert Meisinger -- and that's not even mentioning any of the Nazis involved with their atrocious human experimentation (reading about any of that may well give anyone nightmares).
As a student of philosophy, I have read some of Heidegger's works, and anything political or racial is conspicuously absent. Given what Germany was like at the time and Heidegger's complete silence on the matter, there is ample reason for all of the scholarly debate. This is especially true concerning his philosophical writings. I am well aware that he was not a good person. However, from what I know, he was not the sort of monster who would hand a Jewish infant to some departing SS officers because "they missed one." Such people did exist. Unfortunately, Heidegger was also clearly not among the incredible individuals living under the Nazi regime who risked (and often lost) their lives helping the various groups targeted by the Nazis. Obviously most of humanity is neither so brave nor so horrible. That is why I am asking you to keep your facts straight. If you still conclude that Martin Heidegger was a horrifying anti-Semite, that's fine, just do not proclaim it as though it were verified fact, and please do not claim that his philosophy necessarily followed suit.
...Sorry about the tangent, but I think it needed to be said. Once more, thank you for your hard work in translating this series.
One, please carefully re-read my previous post: I did not in any way show approval of his silence. Two, once more, please be careful of your sources (and standards, I should add).
I hope that you are not anachronistically applying the standards of a normal situation to a decidedly abnormal one. Nazi Germany was exceedingly abnormal for a lot of reasons. Most Germans were officially members of the Nazi party: you and your family would easily get in trouble if you didn't (because Nazi Germany had legal "blood guilt"). Being a member according to their official books is not what is typically understood by referring to someone as a Nazi, rather, the term is mostly applied to individuals who were active members. Semantics aside, from what you are saying, I can't help but wonder what sources you looked at. Try the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, for one. The Encyclopædia Brittanica is another credible source.
Additionally, I never said that Heidegger's silence after the war was at all justifiable. I simply meant that it is wrong to defame anyone, especially when it means comparing them to the likes of actual enthusiastic Nazis. I'm talking about monsters like Joseph Goebbels, Oswald Pohl, Elsa Ehrich, Heinrich Himmler, Ilse Koch, Irma Grese, Wilhelm Boger, and Josef Albert Meisinger -- and that's not even mentioning any of the Nazis involved with their atrocious human experimentation (reading about any of that may well give anyone nightmares).
As a student of philosophy, I have read some of Heidegger's works, and anything political or racial is conspicuously absent. Given what Germany was like at the time and Heidegger's complete silence on the matter, there is ample reason for all of the scholarly debate. This is especially true concerning his philosophical writings. I am well aware that he was not a good person. However, from what I know, he was not the sort of monster who would hand a Jewish infant to some departing SS officers because "they missed one." Such people did exist. Unfortunately, Heidegger was also clearly not among the incredible individuals living under the Nazi regime who risked (and often lost) their lives helping the various groups targeted by the Nazis. Obviously most of humanity is neither so brave nor so horrible. That is why I am asking you to keep your facts straight. If you still conclude that Martin Heidegger was a horrifying anti-Semite, that's fine, just do not proclaim it as though it were verified fact, and please do not claim that his philosophy necessarily followed suit.
...Sorry about the tangent, but I think it needed to be said. Once more, thank you for your hard work in translating this series.
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How convenient for you to set the bar of Nazism at the truly monstrous level and marvel at how handily Heidegger passes under it. I assume you've read his private letters enthusiastically parroting the National Socialist doctrines? When a person had the stage, the audience, and, dare I say, responsibility to speak up after the fact and fails to do so, it is entirely reasonable to extrapolate his state of mind during the time he was a member of the Nazi party even without that evidence.
It's astounding that it somehow counts as a merit now that a person had managed to be quite not as despicable as Goebbels or Himmler.
How convenient for you to set the bar of Nazism at the truly monstrous level and marvel at how handily Heidegger passes under it. I assume you've read his private letters enthusiastically parroting the National Socialist doctrines? When a person had the stage, the audience, and, dare I say, responsibility to speak up after the fact and fails to do so, it is entirely reasonable to extrapolate his state of mind during the time he was a member of the Nazi party even without that evidence.
It's astounding that it somehow counts as a merit now that a person had managed to be quite not as despicable as Goebbels or Himmler.
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Thank you for completely ignoring what I was saying in favour of a few minor details. I honestly have no idea how you got the idea that that is what I was saying. Please calm down and try re-reading what I've been saying before making accusations.
If anything I said gave such an impression, could you please kindly point it out, so that I can explain properly.
Thank you for completely ignoring what I was saying in favour of a few minor details. I honestly have no idea how you got the idea that that is what I was saying. Please calm down and try re-reading what I've been saying before making accusations.
If anything I said gave such an impression, could you please kindly point it out, so that I can explain properly.
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My accusation was that Heidegger was an enthusiastic Nazi. It's borne out by the fact he was in fact a Nazi and that he espoused the very same doctrine, especially anti-Semitic ones, the National Socialist did. And you are completely wrong that most Germans had at one point joined the Nazi party. The membership peaked at around 10% of the population. On the last reasonably "free" election, Nazi received around 40% of the vote. Neither the Nazi membership nor the outward support were necessary for your family's safety, especially in 1933 when Heidegger joined. Please do not spread inaccurate information. My idea on Heidegger may be an opinion, but yours are objectively false.
So I think if you join a party you don't have to, support and espouse the ideas they advance, and never admit fault for it for the rest of your life, the epithet of "Enthusiastic Nazi" is cheaply earned and well-deserved.
My accusation was that Heidegger was an enthusiastic Nazi. It's borne out by the fact he was in fact a Nazi and that he espoused the very same doctrine, especially anti-Semitic ones, the National Socialist did. And you are completely wrong that most Germans had at one point joined the Nazi party. The membership peaked at around 10% of the population. On the last reasonably "free" election, Nazi received around 40% of the vote. Neither the Nazi membership nor the outward support were necessary for your family's safety, especially in 1933 when Heidegger joined. Please do not spread inaccurate information. My idea on Heidegger may be an opinion, but yours are objectively false.
So I think if you join a party you don't have to, support and espouse the ideas they advance, and never admit fault for it for the rest of your life, the epithet of "Enthusiastic Nazi" is cheaply earned and well-deserved.
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