Hazure Waku no "Joutai Ijou Skill" de Saikyou ni Natta Ore ga Subete o Juurin Suru made - Ch. 53.2

[Darkgon]

Just get over it already... The MC is NOT the only important character in this story. The other classmates (plus various other parties) all have important roles. In some ways, this is like a Battle Royale with competing characters with competing interests.

It's ironic that we get a story where the MC is not some Completely OP Self-Insert... And then we get people complaining that he's not a Completely OP Self-Insert. /SMH

The issue is that all of the other characters are bland and uninteresting.
The only saving grace of a series like this is the conflict that's introduced in the MC being thrown away. If the author had any skills in writing actual people instead of cardboard standees it wouldn't be a problem, but so far the only interesting people are the MC and the cheetah lady (well, and pigimaru too).
I've had to work on plenty of these kinds of stories as a PR/TS/QC and it's the same major issue they all have in blowing up the small amount of story/concepts they have without any consideration about actually developing a setting with a proper cast.

 

[groudonvert]

Probably not, just using it as shorthand for "nothing of interest or importance has happened for way too fucking long." but that'd be more on the weakness of the writing.

It's funny how much wrong you are with this statement ^^ A lot of plotpoint starts with this war and the long buildup of the hero class training that looks like useless most of the time has the payoff with this battle (especially with Sogou who's one of the Main Character in the series).

 

[groudonvert]

The issue is that all of the other characters are bland and uninteresting.
The only saving grace of a series like this is the conflict that's introduced in the MC being thrown away. If the author had any skills in writing actual people instead of cardboard standees it wouldn't be a problem, but so far the only interesting people are the MC and the cheetah lady (well, and pigimaru too).
I've had to work on plenty of these kinds of stories as a PR/TS/QC and it's the same major issue they all have in blowing up the small amount of story/concepts they have without any consideration about actually developing a setting with a proper cast.

One of the main concept of this story is "power corrupts those who hield it". And we have different ways to see this :

-The power doesn't corrupt (Ayaka, Eve, Seras, Banewolf, Gartland...)
-The power does corrupt (most characters in the series, but most notably : Vicius, Kirihara, Yasu, Muaji, the Soul Eater...)
-The ones who uses those corrupted by their powers against them (Touka).

Also... a skilless author wouldn't have written one of the best sister relationship between 2 secondary characters.

 

[Shinigamisama]

ABOUT TIME. And then their cartwheel gets destroyed, causing the cart to lose control and they tumble across the landscape and died. The end.

 

[noname120]

MC is about to collect 10 trillion EXP

 

[Zet1502]

AT LAST
I was worried about copium overdose, but finally I don't have to worry about that

 

[Schernobyl]

It's funny how much wrong you are with this statement ^^ A lot of plotpoint starts with this war and the long buildup of the hero class training that looks like useless most of the time has the payoff with this battle (especially with Sogou who's one of the Main Character in the series).

I'd almost agree, Sogou has some development. They needed more time with her interacting with other heros besides the assholes and the Canon fodder. She's simply been I need to protect the weak classmates. The other strong classmates really needed more time to flesh then out so that we had interest in them. Most of the jerk heroes I didn't feel anything when they died or their instructors.

 

[letmereadmangas]

here comes our MC to safe the day...and sweep up some juicy EXP

 

[groudonvert]

I'd almost agree, Sogou has some development. They needed more time with her interacting with other heros besides the assholes and the Canon fodder. She's simply been I need to protect the weak classmates. The other strong classmates really needed more time to flesh then out so that we had interest in them. Most of the jerk heroes I didn't feel anything when they died or their instructors.

The students who died are basically NPC in the story (their death has some importance on the story and characters developpment though).
The death of the teacher is there to show how hopeless their situation is, when even supposed to be strong people died very easily... it's also a good reminder that they live in a world where war didn't really exist (especially in Japan) and they had no idea what is a war, what means to lose somebody. The fact that some students completely lost themselves during the battle makes it even more believable. Also the fact that Sogou is a genius warrior who lived in a world where she could never put to use her skills was a good way to finally make her shine.

Seeing comments that the author doesn't know how to write a story is just a joke, writing war is not easy. Writing a story where, not only the MC but the "secondary" characters (for me Sogou is a main character, but she's not the only one) have their growth and weaknesses to handle, is not easy either.

 

[D4rkLigh7]

I'll be honest, I've skipped every chapter that does not focus on the MC. I have so very little care for what his old classmates are up to.

 

[groudonvert]

I'll be honest, I've skipped every chapter that does not focus on the MC. I have so very little care for what his old classmates are up to.

Good luck following the rest of the story. It starts to become even more complexe now that the classmates are strong enough to have some importance in the world (like Touka before).

 

[Schernobyl]

The students who died are basically NPC in the story (their death has some importance on the story and characters developpment though).
The death of the teacher is there to show how hopeless their situation is, when even supposed to be strong people died very easily... it's also a good reminder that they live in a world where war didn't really exist (especially in Japan) and they had no idea what is a war, what means to lose somebody. The fact that some students completely lost themselves during the battle makes it even more believable. Also the fact that Sogou is a genius warrior who lived in a world where she could never put to use her skills was a good way to finally make her shine.

Seeing comments that the author doesn't know how to write a story is just a joke, writing war is not easy. Writing a story where, not only the MC but the "secondary" characters (for me Sogou is a main character, but she's not the only one) have their growth and weaknesses to handle, is not easy either.

I think my point is this manga needed more time to develop Sogou and some of the side characters. The story is progressing quickly into this demon war main arc so the characters feel a little one dimensional. I get that war is hard to write..my point is while for Sogou the teachers death is a growing point as the reader the author didn't get me invested in him or the student/teacher relationship so I don't feel the loss like Sogou does.

Maybe I'm expecting to much out of this medium than I should be since the chapters are so short.

 

[groudonvert]

I think my point is this manga needed more time to develop Sogou and some of the side characters. The story is progressing quickly into this demon war main arc so the characters feel a little one dimensional. I get that war is hard to write..my point is while for Sogou the teachers death is a growing point as the reader the author didn't get me invested in him or the student/teacher relationship so I don't feel the loss like Sogou does.

Maybe I'm expecting to much out of this medium than I should be since the chapters are so short.

My point was mostly for Oyamada and Yasu. Ayaka is more collected than those 2.

Yeah, the problem is probably reading a chapter per month. Reading a volume would be less problematic (not even talking about the Light Novel, a volume in the Light Novel = 1 arc pretty much).

 

[D4rkLigh7]

Good luck following the rest of the story. It starts to become even more complexe now that the classmates are strong enough to have some importance in the world (like Touka before).

With a lot of these stories that skip between the MC and other characters for extended periods of time I prefer just knowing what the MC knows about what's going on. If it is something important for the MC to know it will then be explained to him and therefore to me.

 

[TestAddress]

FRAME

LoL the Demons are the Frames!

I guess Failure Frame kills all those Frames! What a frame up!

 

[groudonvert]

With a lot of these stories that skip between the MC and other characters for extended periods of time I prefer just knowing what the MC knows about what's going on. If it is something important for the MC to know it will then be explained to him and therefore to me.

If it's a recap of something you already know that is told to the MC (especially if he didn't witness it first hand) you can't expect to have it again... especially in a manga.

 

[TestAddress]

Finally! That was a long carriage ride by the MC. (Ok, not long for him, but definitely long for us readers)

5 years for us, 1 episode for anime.

Good thing I forgot this.

 

[StormSen]

The issue is that all of the other characters are bland and uninteresting.
The only saving grace of a series like this is the conflict that's introduced in the MC being thrown away. If the author had any skills in writing actual people instead of cardboard standees it wouldn't be a problem, but so far the only interesting people are the MC and the cheetah lady (well, and pigimaru too).
I've had to work on plenty of these kinds of stories as a PR/TS/QC and it's the same major issue they all have in blowing up the small amount of story/concepts they have without any consideration about actually developing a setting with a proper cast.

We don't know that much about the other characters because it's a manga - expanding character takes a lot of text, which manga don't have. And obviously, expanding the other characters would require more manga pages on them -- and (some) people (including yourself) are already up in arms about the number of pages that they're already getting.

 

[StormSen]

One of the main concept of this story is "power corrupts those who hield it". And we have different ways to see this :

-The power doesn't corrupt (Ayaka, Eve, Seras, Banewolf, Gartland...)
-The power does corrupt (most characters in the series, but most notably : Vicius, Kirihara, Yasu, Muaji, the Soul Eater...)
-The ones who uses those corrupted by their powers against them (Touka).

Also... a skilless author wouldn't have written one of the best sister relationship between 2 secondary characters.

I'd say that the situation (Iseka + powerup) just reveals who the students really are. (With the caveat that people are not immutable and can change based on experience + choices.)

E.g. Kirihara has exactly the same character that he had before being Isekaied. Sougou character also stays the same.

 

[groudonvert]

I'd say that the situation (Iseka + powerup) just reveals who the students really are. (With the caveat that people are not immutable and can change based on experience + choices.)

E.g. Kirihara has exactly the same character that he had before being Isekaied. Sougou character also stays the same.

Nah I don't think Kirihara was someone who thinks he could become a king in the previous world. It's just the powers he got and the world where he's supposed to be this Hero who saves the world that went to his head.

I mean, it's not something uncommon, it's very frequent in Isekais to have a MC like that... but in this case it's not the Main Character. Yasu is also the typical bullied students who becomes power angry and wants revenge against the entire world... but in this case he's summoned in another world instead of... well you know what happens in some schools.

Touka is a bit different of Yasu, he was not bullied in school, he was just a nobody. It's still the case in the new world... and the power didn't get over his head because he knows how limited he is. He also has some morals and won't go against anybody like Yasu.

Unironically, the classmate who has the most interesting backstory is Oyamada. An entire book could be written about this jerk and I would enjoy reading it XD