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What? Like a HentaiDex??
High influxes of H Dj and manga, are they migrating?
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Some people backup,
ready to inseminate
the next great website.
If there's a copy,
another site is reborn,
else we start anew.
Some people backup,
ready to inseminate
the next great website.
If there's a copy,
another site is reborn,
else we start anew.
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https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/G16/041/73/PDF/G1604173.pdf
"According to international human rights norms and standards, any pornographic representation of a child, regardless of whether the depicted child is real or virtual, constitutes child pornography. The aim is to provide protection against behaviour that ... form part of a subculture that favours child abuse. In such cases, restrictions to the freedom of expression and to the right to privacy are based on grounds of morality and the prevention of harm to others. The ultimate goal is to achieve a society that does not tolerate acts that turn children into sexual objects of desire."
"According to international human rights norms and standards, any pornographic representation of a child, regardless of whether the depicted child is real or virtual, constitutes child pornography. The aim is to provide protection against behaviour that ... form part of a subculture that favours child abuse. In such cases, restrictions to the freedom of expression and to the right to privacy are based on grounds of morality and the prevention of harm to others. The ultimate goal is to achieve a society that does not tolerate acts that turn children into sexual objects of desire."
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@o8o Bullshit. No wonder such a document is from the United Nations, the largest steaming pile of bullshit that for some unfathomable reason is allowed to linger, just to give some washed out politicians nice and fat offices after they grow tired of the elections stress.
If you really went that way, all kinds of depictions of violence would also need to be removed from fiction. After all, they create a subculture that encourages people to kill other people and destroy property, right? Not to mention the military and police forces around the world would need to be abolished, as their power is based on the threat of violence. Do you see this happening? No, you don't, so forget about that inane, idiotic whimper about "a subculture that favours child abuse". Behind that rubbish is nothing but some selfish politicians, (self-proclaimed) celebrities, and private organisations of dubious origins that try to accumulate more publicity and power by any means available. Period.
It wouldn't actually matter to me personally even if loli ero manga disappeared, but anyone who knows even a smattering of human history and psychology knows that if you offer the devil a finger, it will claim your whole arm. If you do nothing when they come for your neighbour, it will be too late to protest when they come for you. The people who are now banning purely fictional, non-photorealistic loli art will next move onto banning something else. Chances are it's going to be something that matters to you. Don't come here crying, then, when that happens.
If you really went that way, all kinds of depictions of violence would also need to be removed from fiction. After all, they create a subculture that encourages people to kill other people and destroy property, right? Not to mention the military and police forces around the world would need to be abolished, as their power is based on the threat of violence. Do you see this happening? No, you don't, so forget about that inane, idiotic whimper about "a subculture that favours child abuse". Behind that rubbish is nothing but some selfish politicians, (self-proclaimed) celebrities, and private organisations of dubious origins that try to accumulate more publicity and power by any means available. Period.
It wouldn't actually matter to me personally even if loli ero manga disappeared, but anyone who knows even a smattering of human history and psychology knows that if you offer the devil a finger, it will claim your whole arm. If you do nothing when they come for your neighbour, it will be too late to protest when they come for you. The people who are now banning purely fictional, non-photorealistic loli art will next move onto banning something else. Chances are it's going to be something that matters to you. Don't come here crying, then, when that happens.
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I must agree with Kaarme. The same UN that gave china millions of $ to expand the coal industry, should i add that this cash was supposed to be used to lower the polution. The same UN that Zoe Quinn went to complain 'bout ppl calling her names on the internet?
UN is a joke, a sad satire of what it was supposed to be.
I must agree with Kaarme. The same UN that gave china millions of $ to expand the coal industry, should i add that this cash was supposed to be used to lower the polution. The same UN that Zoe Quinn went to complain 'bout ppl calling her names on the internet?
UN is a joke, a sad satire of what it was supposed to be.
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The UN is really only useful in peacekeeping, beyond that everything is mixed. Granted they're not that great against the Big Three.
The UN is really only useful in peacekeeping, beyond that everything is mixed. Granted they're not that great against the Big Three.
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>So what's your opinion?
Drawn pixels are not 3dpd and idiots need to fucking relax.
Drawn pixels are not 3dpd and idiots need to fucking relax.
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If this ever comes to fruition then what about a name like MangaSex for the new site lol
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Ey guys not sure if you already knew ... But ... EXH ARE OPEN AGAIN!!!!
Not sure when and how long it will last but god damn, power of Hentai community is cannot be taken lightly.
We did it boys
Edit: checking the EH forum ... Yep, Sad Panda is safe, Tenboro just move the server ... He ran away from the government again, God bless him and god speed.
However, just to be safe also upload it on MD in case take down happen again
Not sure when and how long it will last but god damn, power of Hentai community is cannot be taken lightly.
We did it boys
Edit: checking the EH forum ... Yep, Sad Panda is safe, Tenboro just move the server ... He ran away from the government again, God bless him and god speed.
However, just to be safe also upload it on MD in case take down happen again
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While we can have disagreements on where to draw the line for criminalising loli/shota or even hatespeech, I sincerely hope that no one here disagrees with this statement: "The ultimate goal is to achieve a society that does not tolerate acts that turn children into sexual objects of desire."
The argument hinges on the degree to which this statement is true: "The expression or consumption of a transgressive fantasy is not the same thing as the impulse to behave transgressively." (http://cbldf.org/2015/12/why-banning-extreme-manga-fails-to-protect-children)
The original link can't be accessed so use these instead:
https://ap.ohchr.org/documents/dpage_e.aspx?si=A/HRC/31/58/Add.1
https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Children/Pages/CountryVisits.aspx (CTRL+F Japan)
Criticising the UN for its failures elsewere does not negate its relevance to this topic. The report is worth reading in full if you genuinely wish to understand these issues, the official response from the government of Japan is accessible from the second link above too. The very next line reads:
"Nevertheless, the Special Rapporteur acknowledges that, in certain cases, a difficult and delicate balance must be achieved to prevent the prohibition of virtual child abuse material from affecting the right to artistic expression, even though decisions on such matters should be subject to judicial review."
@Kaarme @Greenfrost @LowSanity @EOTFOFYL @negavamas @tfwnowaifu
The argument hinges on the degree to which this statement is true: "The expression or consumption of a transgressive fantasy is not the same thing as the impulse to behave transgressively." (http://cbldf.org/2015/12/why-banning-extreme-manga-fails-to-protect-children)
The original link can't be accessed so use these instead:
https://ap.ohchr.org/documents/dpage_e.aspx?si=A/HRC/31/58/Add.1
https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Children/Pages/CountryVisits.aspx (CTRL+F Japan)
Criticising the UN for its failures elsewere does not negate its relevance to this topic. The report is worth reading in full if you genuinely wish to understand these issues, the official response from the government of Japan is accessible from the second link above too. The very next line reads:
"Nevertheless, the Special Rapporteur acknowledges that, in certain cases, a difficult and delicate balance must be achieved to prevent the prohibition of virtual child abuse material from affecting the right to artistic expression, even though decisions on such matters should be subject to judicial review."
@Kaarme @Greenfrost @LowSanity @EOTFOFYL @negavamas @tfwnowaifu
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@o8o Of course. Abusers of real children should be thrown into a prison, as well as those who spread the recordings of such acts, as demand for such photos and videos only encourages the underground industry.
However, I still must point out of that the statement: "The ultimate goal is to achieve a society that does not tolerate acts that turn children into sexual objects of desire" sounds like defining a thought crime. A society that does not tolerate any acts that victimise children sexually should be the goal. However, your original statement means that a person who dreams of children sexually but never in their life even approaches a child or downloads any criminal materials from the net would nonetheless be a criminal. Because dreaming would already be an act, even though it has zero impact outside of the person's own brain and there are no victims whatsoever. Thus, I will never condone such broad statements with no restrictions. It's no different from banning hate, for example, which seems to be all the rage among certain groups of people and politicians. Even though hate is an evolutionary product that has been with humans since the species has existed, there are people who say you shouldn't be allowed to hate anyone. And these people are among the top level politicians in too many countries. I have no doubt these same people are also behind the 2D loli art bans.
In short, I will never accept laws that ban thoughts and feelings, I will only accept laws that ban real acts with victims or very plausible victims, which is why I have nothing against reasonable gun laws, for example, or the requirement for a driver's license to be allowed to drive a car, with all the jazz that goes with it.
Still, I'm a fair person, and I could accept all of these bans if in return practicing politics was banned as well.
However, I still must point out of that the statement: "The ultimate goal is to achieve a society that does not tolerate acts that turn children into sexual objects of desire" sounds like defining a thought crime. A society that does not tolerate any acts that victimise children sexually should be the goal. However, your original statement means that a person who dreams of children sexually but never in their life even approaches a child or downloads any criminal materials from the net would nonetheless be a criminal. Because dreaming would already be an act, even though it has zero impact outside of the person's own brain and there are no victims whatsoever. Thus, I will never condone such broad statements with no restrictions. It's no different from banning hate, for example, which seems to be all the rage among certain groups of people and politicians. Even though hate is an evolutionary product that has been with humans since the species has existed, there are people who say you shouldn't be allowed to hate anyone. And these people are among the top level politicians in too many countries. I have no doubt these same people are also behind the 2D loli art bans.
In short, I will never accept laws that ban thoughts and feelings, I will only accept laws that ban real acts with victims or very plausible victims, which is why I have nothing against reasonable gun laws, for example, or the requirement for a driver's license to be allowed to drive a car, with all the jazz that goes with it.
Still, I'm a fair person, and I could accept all of these bans if in return practicing politics was banned as well.
