Honzuki no Gekokujou ~Shisho ni Naru Tame ni wa Shudan wo Erandeiraremasen~ Dai 2-bu 「Hon no Tamenara Miko ni Naru!」 - Vol. 11 Ch. 51 - A new family …

[Hicleric]

Gonna add Pasteur to Myne's list of titles now too

Damn, the blessing must have been effective for Kamil to come out that cute. No wailing shriveled raisin here!

 

[cryum]

A new life being born should be a blessing. But why do people treat that blessing like it was a curse... it's not about this manga but in RL. Sorry for bringing RL problems here.

It sounds like you want to vent about someone you dislike, but don't have the guts to say what you actually think about the topic.

 

[Moxxmix]

2 miscarriages, 2 dead before the first year, and Myne was sickly and technically died before she was 5 (at least in one view of how the reincarnation worked). So 1 out of 6 survived in the original timeline. High likelihood that Effa would have died in childbirth or shortly thereafter on this one, and who knows whether Kamil would have survived without Myne's insistence on cleanliness.

Turi only got her seamstress job due to Myne's connection with Benno's sister. Who knows where she would have ended up if Myne, and then Effa, had died. And the path to Gunther ending up a depressed drunk guard captain is easy to see.

The amount of tragedy hovering over this family without Myne's intervention is kinda heartbreaking.

The historical average child mortality rate (dying by 5 years old) hovers right around 50%. That's for basically any time before the early 1800's. Infant mortality rate (dying by 1 year old) accounts for about half those deaths. And that only accounts for live births.

Aside: The baptism ceremony happening when children turn 6 years old is basically an acknowledgement of childhood mortality rates. Only about half of all children make it past 5 years old, but once you get past that things get a lot better. There are a lot of celebrations/festivals/ceremonies in cultures all over the world for children in the 6-8 year old range.

Stillbirths/miscarriages are more difficult to get details on, but I seem to recall 5% being a common value from one report. That feels wrong, though, as the global stillbirth rate in the year 2000 was 2%. Based on general child death trends, I'm fairly certain it was a lot higher than 5% historically.

Not counting Kamil, Effa and Gunther had a 33% stillbirth rate, 50% infant mortality rate, and 75% child mortality rate. With Myne's reincarnation and Kamil's birth, that becomes a 28% stillbirth rate, 40% infant mortality rate, and 40% child mortality rate.

The fact that they are now at basically the average death rate instead of a tragic death rate says a lot.

 

[Justking14]

Myne was sickly and technically died before she was 5 (at least in one view of how the reincarnation worked). So 1 out of 6 survived in the original timeline.

Spoiler: Early part 3 spoiler

no Myne actually literally died As a kid. She’s not sure exactly when It happened but it’s confirmed that she was dead for a bit and that’s part of the reason why she’s so sickly

 

[Justking14]

It's not even about being poor, but ignorant. They could keep things clean, they just didn't see the need to expend additional time and resources for that.

nobles have magic to clean for them. So it’s also partly about being non-magical

 

[hanfeizi]

2 miscarriages, 2 dead before the first year, and Myne was sickly and technically died before she was 5 (at least in one view of how the reincarnation worked). So 1 out of 6 survived in the original timeline. High likelihood that Effa would have died in childbirth or shortly thereafter on this one, and who knows whether Kamil would have survived without Myne's insistence on cleanliness.

Turi only got her seamstress job due to Myne's connection with Benno's sister. Who knows where she would have ended up if Myne, and then Effa, had died. And the path to Gunther ending up a depressed drunk guard captain is easy to see.

The amount of tragedy hovering over this family without Myne's intervention is kinda heartbreaking.

The historical average child mortality rate (dying by 5 years old) hovers right around 50%. That's for basically any time before the early 1800's. Infant mortality rate (dying by 1 year old) accounts for about half those deaths. And that only accounts for live births.

Aside: The baptism ceremony happening when children turn 6 years old is basically an acknowledgement of childhood mortality rates. Only about half of all children make it past 5 years old, but once you get past that things get a lot better. There are a lot of celebrations/festivals/ceremonies in cultures all over the world for children in the 6-8 year old range.

Stillbirths/miscarriages are more difficult to get details on, but I seem to recall 5% being a common value from one report. That feels wrong, though, as the global stillbirth rate in the year 2000 was 2%. Based on general child death trends, I'm fairly certain it was a lot higher than 5% historically.

Not counting Kamil, Effa and Gunther had a 33% stillbirth rate, 50% infant mortality rate, and 75% child mortality rate. With Myne's reincarnation and Kamil's birth, that becomes a 28% stillbirth rate, 40% infant mortality rate, and 40% child mortality rate.

The fact that they are now at basically the average death rate instead of a tragic death rate says a lot.

Throw in the fact that there is "devouring" in that world, then the death rate should be much higher than in real world. Remember that many commoners died of devouring, including Benno's fiance.

Spoiler: Early Part 3 Spoiler

Spoiler: Early part 3 spoiler

no Myne actually literally died As a kid. She’s not sure exactly when It happened but it’s confirmed that she was dead for a bit and that’s part of the reason why she’s so sickly

Yes, Ferdinand literally said the same thing, and later in Part 5, it is specifically said that she has "the Mark of Ewigeliebe."

 

[Matikkkii]

Kamil? Why a Slavic name in the midst of all other names? Weird choice from the author

 

[Aureliano]

Kamil? Why a Slavic name in the midst of all other names? Weird choice from the author

Not just Slavic, It is also Turkish and Arabic, and it is also the equivalent for Camilo in other languages.

 

[xyzzy]

It sounds like you want to vent about someone you dislike, but don't have the guts to say what you actually think about the topic.

Yeah, it really gives me an “I’m upset that people are asking for abortion rights, but I know I would get dogpiled for wanting to take away an essential right for women” vibe

Unless it’s a more personal thing like OP has a parent who is abusive or something, which is off but in a slightly different way

 

[tidalend]

Kamil? Why a Slavic name in the midst of all other names? Weird choice from the author

I'm just wondering why they game him a girl's name.

 

[Aureliano]

I'm just wondering why they game him a girl's name.

Wikipedia actually has a good article about this:
Kamil (Polish: [ˈkamil]) is a Polish, Czech, and Slovak given name, equivalent to the Italian Camillo, Spanish/Portuguese Camilo and French Camille. It is derived from Camillus,[1] a Roman family name, which is sometimes claimed to mean "attendant at a religious service" in Latin, but may actually be of unknown Etruscan origin. The female version is Kamila, equivalent to English Camilla or Camila.

Kamil is also a Turkish name, with the female version Kamile. These names were common during Ottoman Empire and are not as common in Turkey today.

Kamil (كامل and كميل) is also an Arabic name, sometimes used as an adjective, more usually transliterated as Kamil and Kameel which can be translated as "perfect" or "the Perfect One". It is also used in Urdu, Persian, Pashto, Kurdish, and other languages meaning "perfect", “complete”, or “full”. In Islamic theology, al-Insān al-Kāmil (Arabic: اَلإِنْسَانِ الكَامِلْ, Turkish: İnsan-ı Kâmil, Persian: انسانِ کامل), is a term used as an honorific title to describe Muhammad. It is an Arabic phrase meaning "the person who has reached perfection".

Not female and not just slavic.

 

[NamaeX]

Wikipedia actually has a good article about this:
Kamil (Polish: [ˈkamil]) is a Polish, Czech, and Slovak given name, equivalent to the Italian Camillo, Spanish/Portuguese Camilo and French Camille. It is derived from Camillus,[1] a Roman family name, which is sometimes claimed to mean "attendant at a religious service" in Latin, but may actually be of unknown Etruscan origin. The female version is Kamila, equivalent to English Camilla or Camila.

Kamil is also a Turkish name, with the female version Kamile. These names were common during Ottoman Empire and are not as common in Turkey today.

Kamil (كامل and كميل) is also an Arabic name, sometimes used as an adjective, more usually transliterated as Kamil and Kameel which can be translated as "perfect" or "the Perfect One". It is also used in Urdu, Persian, Pashto, Kurdish, and other languages meaning "perfect", “complete”, or “full”. In Islamic theology, al-Insān al-Kāmil (Arabic: اَلإِنْسَانِ الكَامِلْ, Turkish: İnsan-ı Kâmil, Persian: انسانِ کامل), is a term used as an honorific title to describe Muhammad. It is an Arabic phrase meaning "the person who has reached perfection".

Not female and not just slavic.

It’s a Zeta Gundam reference where the main character has a complex about their name. “Kamil’s a man’s name and I’m a man!”

 

[ForTheJerusalem]

At least they didn't dissect a human who died from some horrible reason before helping with birth.

A new life being born should be a blessing. But why do people treat that blessing like it was a curse... it's not about this manga but in RL. Sorry for bringing RL problems here.

You are not forgiven.

 

[kaezeribato]

Alas, the harsh realities of the peasant poor.

The poorest people in the past were the cleanest. They were cleaning themself more often than rich people because of their physical work.

Around 1860 Ignaz Semmelweis figured out that you need to wash your hands to prevent disease even before germs were discovered. Unfortunately, doctors at the time didn't pay too much attention to him cause he seemed to be too confrontational about the findings, he was basically blaming them for the deaths of their patients, but instead of the doctors to try to up their game, they just decided to fire the guy.

This is why many scientifics finding never got any attention from most people. The dude who discover them are fucking asshole.
Newton was the same, he was so confrontational that he got everyone against him in no time.

 

[kaezeribato]

I mean, it’s only considered a curse if the woman who is pregnant doesn’t specifically want to give birth, because even today it’s still a risky time for the mother

It really is not, women today dont have many risk for their health. It's extremely rare for a women to have issue, when giving birth, that impact them for more than a few week.

 

[fight2live]

being a clean freak can save lives

 

[Aureliano]

It really is not, women today dont have many risk for their health. It's extremely rare for a women to have issue, when giving birth, that impact them for more than a few week.

Not at all. Absofuckinglutely not. Don't ever say anything of such importance with no knowledge about it.
It is not that there are not risks, the risks are previously taken into account and properly managed, only IF you have proper healthcare.
Kids and mothers die all the time at birth/giving birth, the rate in which that happens is one of the more accurate measurements to tell how good is your health care system really is.
Have a gander on how the US compares to the developed world, even though it expends the most money per capita and overall in the whole world (it is garbage).

 

[Matikkkii]

Not just Slavic, It is also Turkish and Arabic, and it is also the equivalent for Camilo in other languages.

Huh, I was aware that Camilio is and Italian name, thought his exact spelling with K and stuff is exclusive to Slavic languages, interesting.

 

[mbos14]

Spoiler: Early part 3 spoiler

no Myne actually literally died As a kid. She’s not sure exactly when It happened but it’s confirmed that she was dead for a bit and that’s part of the reason why she’s so sickly

Spoiler: Beware possible heavy spoilers pertaining to myne

If i remember correctly it was a combination of why she was so sick and stayed so small.
She was already sick with mana(devouring). Which is what killed her and got our current Myne here. The problem is because she died mana clumped up in here veins and is making an already bad case worse. (she might have even had a few more neardeath cases)
Ferdinant even at some point states that Myne must have a huge resolve(willpower) otherwise she would have already been devoured by the mana. witch as we know technically happened.

 

[ssj4maiko]

It’s a Zeta Gundam reference where the main character has a complex about their name. “Kamil’s a man’s name and I’m a man!”