Hope You're Happy, Lemon - Ch. 58

[Weoooo]

Lemon breaks up with Sunao so that he gets no flak. She says the "I'm a 3-timing whore" thing so he doesn't feel any blame.

They are cooking plain rice, with no side or main dishes.

Joke's on you I love plain rice

 

[Weoooo]

it does feel like a retcon, yeah. shame, I would've been fine with Lemon having come up with it on the spot, I'd have wanted her to be happy regardless(which, uh, is the title of this whole thing)

but this retcon just feels slimy from the author's side

How is this a retcon? We didn't see any change in the incident described, just additional context. Lemon didn't come up with the lie outta nowhere, it was a rumor that was circulating.

Lemon being afraid of conflict and the kind of instinctively self-sacrificial that ignores what she's actually doing is extremely established, down to agreeing to a beauty pageant early on when she's sharing a body with Sunao. A younger Lemon being bullied and facing the rumors of her actually being a filthy slut three timing thinking that it's probably better if she just lets the rumor go rather than fight it, and let herself be seen as that so that Sunao won't take any blame is a very plausible course of action for her.

I honestly think it's a pretty perfect way for it to have gone. It shows something very interesting that we've seen her just start to realize: that she doesn't just hurt herself when she throws herself on the sword. From Lemon's perspective, she gave up her relationship to keep Sunao from being bullied; she hurt herself to save someone else. But from Sunao's perspective, his childhood friend he had a fun first love and promising romance with was actually cheating on him with 2 other dudes. That's a sudden break in his understanding of reality that sent him reeling for years.

 

[Throwawail]

How is this a retcon? We didn't see any change in the incident described, just additional context. Lemon didn't come up with the lie outta nowhere, it was a rumor that was circulating.

By retcon I mean that Lemon just picked up a cruel rumour, instead of coming up with a cruel thing herself to bail her out. The latter seemed to have been the implication so far. But dunno, haven't read the earlier chapters in a while.

 

[Weoooo]

By retcon I mean that Lemon just picked up a cruel rumour, instead of coming up with a cruel thing herself to bail her out. The latter seemed to have been the implication so far. But dunno, haven't read the earlier chapters in a while.

We have never known why Lemon did what she did, only that it was a lie and that she regretted it. It was never implied that she made it up to get out of anything, and the core character mystery that's been looming is why she did it in the first place. It being a rumor that she confirms actually helps solve another character mystery, why Sunao, who's been characterized as observant and who had been close with Lemon since they were kids, believed the lie she told. From chapter 1 it's been a mystery as to why he thought Lemon, who tugs on her own sleeve nervously when around dudes in Sunao's body, was the kinda girl who'd be three-timing in middle school.

Now we have a pretty compelling reason: other people said it, and when asked, Lemon confirmed it. Lemon bringing it up out of nowhere would've probably made Sunao think she was making a joke, but if it was something he had heard and then got confirmed, he'd be far more likely to believe it and far more hurt by it. His behavior around it makes more sense now too. The trauma is around asking about something and learning something you didn't think could be possible; the act of looking becomes traumatic more than anything else. He doesn't want to ask Lemon about it because the last time he did that everything fell apart.

 

[Lunkli]

So someone else spread the rumor and then she just confirmed it for whatever reason, right? The questions now are then "who spread the rumor" and "why did she confirm it." Maybe for the latter she just felt embarrassed? Like "Someone thought I was bad enough for them to spread this rumor, so I don't deserve to date anyone." Or she broke up with him as a way to distance herself from it. Like, you can't really say "she's four timing!" if she just publicly broke up with one of them. And then for the former, it was probably the erectile dysfunction girl. There aren't really any other candidates at the moment.

 

[Rafalga]

how is that a redcon? Like what? Chapter one only gave like 1 panel without any context. Everything so far is in line with what we know.
Example on how it could play out:
Random girl: "She is cheating on you"
Sunao: "Nah I dont think so" ignores this.
Lemon: "I am gonna break up"
Sunao: "Why?"
Lemon: "Because the rumors are true and I am cheating."

Look everthing is how we know it. Of course this is pretty simplified. I mean the obvious thing is she was bullied in some form. That is why she did not want him to come to her room and then she broke up with him so that he would not get sucked into this. And yea her not denying the rumors is a thing a lot of people would indeed do before anyone says that that is just bad writing. Because I swear to god some of the people here act like this is the worst writing ever seen. Like it could still be something else. let the author cook first before judging everything by what you assume will happen.

Also Kogahara still best girl.

Unless she had amnasia in between (or doesn't care about it to the point of not remembering this whole flashback period which is even worse), this is a retcon.

 

[3turtlesinacoat]

I honestly think it's a pretty perfect way for it to have gone. It shows something very interesting that we've seen her just start to realize: that she doesn't just hurt herself when she throws herself on the sword.

This is (to a lesser degree) also what kinda happens with the beatuy pagent lmao.
She throws herself on the sword, fully knowing that itd make sunao super uncomfortable and doesnt stop even after he begs her not to do it.
Very fitting that it was in the same chapter where she talks about how much shes changed

 

[misopogon]

Lemon and Sunao were very cute together

 

[Weoooo]

This is (to a lesser degree) also what kinda happens with the beatuy pagent lmao.
She throws herself on the sword, fully knowing that itd make sunao super uncomfortable and doesnt stop even after he begs her not to do it.
Very fitting that it was in the same chapter where she talks about how much shes changed

Yes, this is consistently how Lemon behaves. She can't say no, and gladly accepts any inconvenience for her without taking into account how her being inconvenienced can impact others. She'll give of herself freely, but doesn't see how her doing this can hurt other people.
If you, for some reason, still want to take the worst possible reading about Lemon's character even though we're 58 chapters into this thing and know her pretty well, you could call her self-absorbed and a martyr. But I think it's something much simpler, she's a people pleaser and is used to just doing what people ask her to. She doesn't know how to say no.

 

[fight2live]

it always starts from rumours

 

[the_blip]

All I've got to say is, "booooooooo. boooo. BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Why undermine the premise of your pitch SO HARD? Mangaka couldn't have ONE thing be Lemon's fault. She's always got to be perfect and blameless. Lame.

 

[Phelgming]

Yes, this is consistently how Lemon behaves. She can't say no, and gladly accepts any inconvenience for her without taking into account how her being inconvenienced can impact others. She'll give of herself freely, but doesn't see how her doing this can hurt other people.
If you, for some reason, still want to take the worst possible reading about Lemon's character even though we're 58 chapters into this thing and know her pretty well, you could call her self-absorbed and a martyr. But I think it's something much simpler, she's a people pleaser and is used to just doing what people ask her to. She doesn't know how to say no.

There's no use arguing with anyone here. A lot of readers just hate Lemon and have always hated Lemon and will always hate Lemon and nothing she does, did, or will do will change that because they made their minds up with the least amount of information available to them in the first handful of chapters.

 

[esker]

There's no use arguing with anyone here. A lot of readers just hate Lemon and have always hated Lemon and will always hate Lemon and nothing she does, did, or will do will change that because they made their minds up with the least amount of information available to them in the first handful of chapters.

Having a "reason" for fucking someone over that you supposedly love doesn't retroactively make you not have fucked them over. It doesn't matter why she did it.

 

[Phelgming]

There's no use arguing with anyone here. A lot of readers just hate Lemon and have always hated Lemon and will always hate Lemon and nothing she does, did, or will do will change that because they made their minds up with the least amount of information available to them in the first handful of chapters.

Having a "reason" for fucking someone over that you supposedly love doesn't retroactively make you not have fucked them over. It doesn't matter why she did it.

See? They can't help themselves. They don't think, they don't change their opinions with new information, they just keep hating because they're haters.

 

[TheLostLight]

Unless she had amnasia in between (or doesn't care about it to the point of not remembering this whole flashback period which is even worse), this is a retcon.

It would be a retcon if the seemingly most likely theory that she's being bullied and her bullies created the rumour to blackmail her to break up with Sunao is true.

That hasn't been confirmed yet. If Lemon is the originator of the rumour, then it's consistent with what's been said. The order of events made it seem like she "made up that story" when she broke up with him, but she could have made it up earlier and now we're seeing it spread after the fact in this flashback.

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

If the mangaka was literary minded, she would use the 四股 (is dating four people at the same time 3 timing or 4 timing?) to foreshadow a ménages à trois with Kogahara. They're all about to live together anyway so why not?

It's spelled ménage. Guess you're not too "literary minded" either, huh?

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

Unless she had amnasia in between (or doesn't care about it to the point of not remembering this whole flashback period which is even worse), this is a retcon.

No it isn't. She could easily have started the rumour herself for whatever reason.

 

[youkari]

It's spelled ménage. Guess you're not too "literary minded" either, huh?

Think I did pretty well considering I'm dyslexic. A spelling error can't really tell you anything about a person.

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

Think I did pretty well considering I'm dyslexic. A spelling error can't really tell you anything about a person.

Fair

 

[esker]

See? They can't help themselves. They don't think, they don't change their opinions with new information, they just keep hating because they're haters.

I keep "hating" because she fucked over someone she supposedly loved. No new information can change that. We could find out she did it to cure cancer and it still won't change the fact that Sunao's life got ruined for years.

You're acting as if the reasons you have behind an awful act can make it any less awful.