Horobi no Kuni no Seifukusha - Ch. 26

[Sp12er]

I'd rather he be subverting the societal fabric to incite open dissidence, opening way to discussion and pressure the power structure and revolution brewing if need be. Going away and making new city or kingdom seems like a cheap easy move from storymaking point of view. Too bad since the family clan politics before was pretty interesting.

And the society seems pre industrial but there are no paper yet? and worse, no astral navigation? Celestial navigation has been used on earth since thousands of years before Christ. Records speak of heroes "ancient" from their ancient time navigating using the stars for god sake! Thats how long ago celestial mavigation should come up.

Modern people truly underestimate the power of human curiosity. In the times darkest for the mind, when no empirical method is disciplined, humans were left with our mind and the stars in the night. Only modern humans don't look and wonder upon them anymore.

Then the mangaka creates a world where society would go to pass late middle ages without understanding of their world stars just irk me so. As if everyone in the world are brainless idiots and the isekaid come and save them with mid fucking inventions that should have organically exist in that world ages ago.

Hhh this is tanya inventing supply post and distribution all over again.

Rant end ok. Sorry guys.

There's simply more stuff to contend with? This world isn't ours and the ecology is more unique, like ie there's a country that deify dragons and ride wyverns out into war. Sometimes when one aspect look underdeveloped it's because something else already fulfilled the need.

 

[74HC595]

Seems like they developed accurate timekeeping independently of naval travel, which is odd but I can accept it. Better make a combustion engine.
Inb4 they ignore the Americas and head for Japan
Inb4 it’s not elves or humans in the new land but catgirls

 

[Kathartes]

Taking the Earth as example: paper making was first recorded in China since the 1st century, but only made its way to Europe in 11th century. Astral navigation also existed since ancient time, yet only until the Age of Discovery (15th century) people started the extensive overseas exploration around the world, all due to European countries pushing for colonization. That's how it is with technological advancement: they happened because people have the want & need (or suitable circumstance), not because xxx amount of time has passed.

For a millennium after the collapse of the Empire, the Shantean kingdoms had been gradually losing ground to the bloodthirsty zealots, while internally stagnated because of the witches terrorizing society as a whole. It's no wonder that they couldn't develop anything substantially. Other countries such as not-Britain have superior shipbuilding and navigation technology. Even then, long-term seafaring is no easy task, without a solid reason (big money talking, or a desperate situation) nary anybody would risk their life for it.

 

[Gatenka]

I didn't realise the royal house is so weak. The witches don't care, even though they will lose pretty much everything if the country falls, since the enemy is demonising the whole race (or is it species? I don't remember). I don't blame Yuuri for dreaming of America already. That being said, the enemy would eventually follow them there, in far greater numbers. Furthermore, who knows what awaits them in America. It's not our world.

It's pretty hopeless as long as the enemy is more or less the rest of the continent.

As much as I agree with this sentiment, remember that he's also bringing in new technologies that the others haven't even fathomed yet.

So unless there's some sort of skullduggery and/or betrayal by the witches, they technically could run away to undiscovered or distant lands where the others would have difficulty following.

 

[FeudalGrass]

I'd rather he be subverting the societal fabric to incite open dissidence, opening way to discussion and pressure the power structure and revolution brewing if need be. Going away and making new city or kingdom seems like a cheap easy move from storymaking point of view. Too bad since the family clan politics before was pretty interesting.

And the society seems pre industrial but there are no paper yet? and worse, no astral navigation? Celestial navigation has been used on earth since thousands of years before Christ. Records speak of heroes "ancient" from their ancient time navigating using the stars for god sake! Thats how long ago celestial mavigation should come up.

Modern people truly underestimate the power of human curiosity. In the times darkest for the mind, when no empirical method is disciplined, humans were left with our mind and the stars in the night. Only modern humans don't look and wonder upon them anymore.

Then the mangaka creates a world where society would go to pass late middle ages without understanding of their world stars just irk me so. As if everyone in the world are brainless idiots and the isekaid come and save them with mid fucking inventions that should have organically exist in that world ages ago.

Hhh this is tanya inventing supply post and distribution all over again.

Rant end ok. Sorry guys.

What referred to here is the sextant, not the concept of celestial navigation itself, the concept of the device IRL was earliest recorded in the 17th century, and invented in 1731, possible to the advancement of math, physics and optics for more precision. Also their kingdom is secluded, surrounded by enemies, they have less drive for seafaring. The other

Spoiler

The other nations are more advanced, and they do have papers like the MC invented here, and high quality glasses as shown here.

So it makes sense that MC with modern math can get a head start on every one.

 

[KinGrove]

The Conqueror From a Dying Kingdom - I guess the title of the manga makes a lot more sense now, up till this point it kinda followed the framework of a general isekai, bringing in new technology, academy arc, conflict with corrupt nobles, etc.

But now it looks like the story is finally bringing in the first inklings of the Yuuri's possible thoughts and future as a conqueror of unknown lands. I wonder how the story will overall pan out, because as mentioned its not like Yuuri will just abandon everything if worse comes to worse. He's probably gonna be put in a really difficult scenario, unless the author magically makes everything fall into his favor.

 

[zerio]

Is this the first time we see Yuuri expressed this concern?

 

[Beregorn]

I'd rather he be subverting the societal fabric to incite open dissidence, opening way to discussion and pressure the power structure and revolution brewing if need be. Going away and making new city or kingdom seems like a cheap easy move from storymaking point of view. Too bad since the family clan politics before was pretty interesting.

And the society seems pre industrial but there are no paper yet? and worse, no astral navigation? Celestial navigation has been used on earth since thousands of years before Christ. Records speak of heroes "ancient" from their ancient time navigating using the stars for god sake! Thats how long ago celestial mavigation should come up.

Modern people truly underestimate the power of human curiosity. In the times darkest for the mind, when no empirical method is disciplined, humans were left with our mind and the stars in the night. Only modern humans don't look and wonder upon them anymore.

Then the mangaka creates a world where society would go to pass late middle ages without understanding of their world stars just irk me so. As if everyone in the world are brainless idiots and the isekaid come and save them with mid fucking inventions that should have organically exist in that world ages ago.

Hhh this is tanya inventing supply post and distribution all over again.

Rant end ok. Sorry guys.

And the girl was wearing latex finger-gloves... These kinds of "otherworlder brings civilization" stories are always so messed up: technology is not born in a vacuum.
The lack of star navigation, however, is particularly egregious here, especially if you consider the existence of mechanical clocks: "high" precision clocks were developed exactly to increase the accuracy of open sea navigation... How would they even have the CONCEPT of local time?

 

[FeudalGrass]

And the girl was wearing latex finger-gloves... These kinds of "otherworlder brings civilization" stories are always so messed up: technology is not born in a vacuum.
The lack of star navigation, however, is particularly egregious here, especially if you consider the existence of mechanical clocks: "high" precision clocks were developed exactly to increase the accuracy of open sea navigation... How would they even have the CONCEPT of local time?

Pocket watches were invented first as a personal item for telling time and fashion though. what is shown in the chapter looks similar to the 16th century design of the pocket watch, which wasn't "high" precision.

The "high" precision marine chronometers were invented way later than the pocket watches. Pendulum clocks and pocket watches were unreliable at sea.