How Do We Relationship?

[igore_6]

i absolutely adore this manga
is it bittersweat? yes
is it toxic? at parts
but i think that these characteristics only add on the realism department of this work

and also

 

[cosmix]

Peak fiction

 

[ezzhead]

No.... not the gap.... why cant translators just pick up where the others left off.... WHY IS THERE A 50 CHAPTER GAP???😭

 

[AxeBurningfire]

Can anyone who's read the whole manga tell me if the sleepy guy who wants to kill himself ever get his own arc? and if so what chapters?

 

[geitemmy]

Absolute cinema

 

[Glimmung]

Absolute cinema

Yep, years later we can point and laugh at all the people cringing about Miwa and Saeko.

 

[igore_6]

rip

 

[Yuyuin]

Man why did they need to imply my girl Tamaki might not have fully gotten over Miwa right at the finish line. That brought back some hurt

 

[WalrusPhone]

In the end the relationships we made along the way were how we relationship.

Honestly though what a great series.

 

[mtfunky]

actually a masterpiece

how grounded and well-developed the characters are and how maturely the topics presented are handled just makes it so good to read

 

[Hyacyon]

lowkey very realistic and it really helped me thru stuff over the years haha

 

[Hyacyon]

my b for double posting but

Man why did they need to imply my girl Tamaki might not have fully gotten over Miwa right at the finish line. That brought back some hurt

honestly, i liked that touch bc irl not everyone gets their happy ending and some people just live with regrets for some time.

 

[Fabricio_Martins]

Um yuri onde as protagonistas não terminam juntas? Não, obrigado, mas não sou idiota o suficiente

 

[Fabricio_Martins]

my b for double posting but



honestly, i liked that touch bc irl not everyone gets their happy ending and some people just live with regrets for some time.

Exatamente, na vida real... Não... Não na ficção ;-;

 

[Fabricio_Martins]

Nak

This is so depressing, but it's better than generic fluff.
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Não

 

[Fabricio_Martins]

This is surprisingly realistic

E isso é bom? Porque eu pessoalmente não acho, se eu vou ler uma ficção, eu quero ler ficção, não realidade;+;

 

[Fabricio_Martins]

Com

Does this series follow the same route as the oneshot ? If it does it's not worth anyone's time aside from masochists, people that love to waste time, and people that like misery.

Concordo plenamente

 

[Fabricio_Martins]

I agree and Disagree with what @ ghor said.....

If you want a manga about a happy couple getting together and having fun, this might not be for you in the long haul

but honestly this is an extremely good manga with a very very VERY realistic depiction of the complications same sex couples go through. its very real and the frustration you feel as a reader comes from a place of worrying for the characters rather than frustration from how badly the situation is written.

highly recc if you want a yuri that isnt just pornographic content for men

"Altamente recomendável", tá precisando melhorar suas recomendações....

 

[Fabricio_Martins]

I've seen people praising this manga as 'realistic,' and I just... don't see it. Sure, there are some aspects that I can relate to and others that I think do apply in real life, but on the whole, this manga hits all the same tropes as many other yuri mangas. My biggest issue is that I want to like it. I really do. But twenty-six chapters in, and I'm still unsure whether I'm enjoying this. When it does happen, the comedy is relatively on point, and there are some genuinely funny moments. On the other hand, the drama... isn't compelling, and though this is labeled as a comedy, it is more akin to a drama with comedic elements. Rather than having me on the edge of my seat waiting for what happens next, I find myself frustrated, wondering when these two are just going to fucking talk to teach other.

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This manga plays with a lot of mature themes, but those rarely extend beyond the sexual. Saeko is an entirely unlikeable, if somewhat relatable character, and with the introduction of someone who genuinely loves Miwa and whom she seems to love in return, I can't, in good faith, say I'm rooting for their relationship any longer. Miwa has been clueless to a fault in order to facilitate Saeko's character development, and at this point, it's becoming incredibly frustrating. Saeko has, on several occasions, recognized that she needs to talk to Miwa. And on every occasion, rather than speak to her, she just... externalizes those feelings in an overtly obvious way — that then get ignored for no discernable reason.

You could make the argument that Miwa is a habitual people-pleaser, and while I can agree with that to some extent, at this point, it's just getting to be a bit silly. What was the point of that entire arc she had if she's going to... continue just to let Saeko push her around? In twenty-six chapters, the only characters who have gone through a real, tangible arc are two of the side characters. Which, don't get me wrong; many of the problems Saeko goes through are incredibly relatable. In particular, the comphet she experiences in highschool rings waaaaaaaaay close to home with me. Her trauma regarding the bullying she received for her sexuality also hits a few notes that made me think back to when I was in high school. And on a similar note, I empathize with Miwa and her struggles to stick up for herself. They have very relatable and realistically depicted issues — to a point. As of the latest translated chapter, they are four, possibly five months into their relationship and have yet to have a serious conversation about their interpersonal issues. That, combined with their individual recognition of the need to talk, makes the drama feel forced and manufactured.

Which brings me to the most significant issue. Saeko is just... not a good partner for Miwa. At all. They could have chemistry, but the author's unwillingness to have them communicate about literally any of their issues instills the notion that they are diametrically terrible for one another romantically. And sexually. They don't even have real sexual chemistry beyond an ability to turn one another on. Miwa has demonstrated a clear and vocal desire to top, and, on the opposite end, Saeko seems like she wants to bottom. Yes, her trauma makes it impossible for her to enjoy that (currently), but it also robs Miwa of the chance to effectively top her since Saeko is not giving the input that she clearly states Miwa needs to listen to. A one-sided sexual relationship does not mean they have chemistry.

tl;dr This manga could be great, I want it to be great, but it fails to do much of anything with the themes it's presenting. They have so much potential to be great partners for one another, but they fail at every possible turn.

On a side note, I remember seeing someone mentioning that this manga is why you don't see wlw relationships progress past the courting phase. To which I disagree. Wholeheartedly. The biggest reason you don't see many relationships, straight or gay, progress past that phase is because most authors don't know how to write compelling stories past that point.

Exatamente, finalmente alguém que pensa como eu

 

[Fabricio_Martins]

i absolutely adore this manga
is it bittersweat? yes
is it toxic? at parts
but i think that these characteristics only add on the realism department of this work

and also

Realismo... Sim, a vida é um mar radioativa.... Muito realista.... Cof cof drama barato cof cof