Isekai Craft Gurashi ~Jiyuu Kimama na Seisan Shoku no Honobono Slow Life~ - Ch. 33

[popinloopy]

Thank you for the chapter! Mel is awesome and incredibly capable.

 

[angyalalex]

Knight's & Magic déjà vu.

 

[Aqua_Mizue]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[BananowyJE]

You know, we were already shown that in this universe infinite source blocks exist (like the one he used for the bath and had to divert excess water to the rivers) so I don't know what kind of problem he has. If he wants a rocket-like propeller then just insert inversion function so he can stop. I can believe that he didn't understand how the breaks work, but it was quite strange that he didn't have any engineer on site other than the guy with thousands of (self stated) titles.
The standard of living is quite high for the pseudo-medieval fantasy setting, so it is no wonder that many things already exist, ripe for stealing getting inspiration from.

 

[kikix12]

I'm glad there was knowledge outside of his purview, way to many isekai's have a MC with the whole of the internet downloaded into their head.

Thanks for the chapter!

Except, making a functional brake is extremely simple, so him not being able to think of any way (we're not talking about the best one, but any functioning brake) is stupid in the other extreme direction.

Yeah at the very least i imagine there'd need to be some conductor working it if there are nobles riding it or to prevent some 'criminals' from hijacking it and using the train system as a quick getaway (tho if they're underground to begin with i imagine that'd be hard to get away with, hostages aside versus just sneaking on lol)



Outside of those tourist-y rentals or movies like enchanted and stuff, I imagine many modern day ppl don't have the opportunity to use it but i guess it does make sense to have some kinda 'emergency brake' or so just in case if the horses go wild or like detached from it or so (although trying to search it, "brake" is also the name of a specific type of carriage lmao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_(carriage))

Every vehicle needs brakes of some sort. It's not a matter of 'whether' or 'if'. They are needed.

You think that horses going downhill with a heavy carriage on wheels would be able to stop it? The carriage would just go down the hill pulling/pushing (however they are connected) the horses, potentially dragging them over the ground. If the straps broke, you'd run over the horses.

Also, once its mobile, a carriage has a lot more energy than horses could easily stop by elastic straps. It may not be relevant at slow speeds when carriage stops centimeters away from where it was no longer pulled, but for any greater speed? You totally need it. Cause again, the horses would be dragged over the ground.

 

[Gatenka]

Except, making a functional brake is extremely simple, so him not being able to think of any way (we're not talking about the best one, but any functioning brake) is stupid in the other extreme direction.

To be fair, he DID try to envision a bicycle brake but didn't have enough of a concrete visualisation to make it.

Based on the flow of the entire story thus far, it's implicated that Miyabi is able to fabricate items only once he has a clear grasp on how to make them, and not based on vague concepts he can't wrap his head around.

 

[Romisterie]

Except, making a functional brake is extremely simple, so him not being able to think of any way (we're not talking about the best one, but any functioning brake) is stupid in the other extreme direction.


Every vehicle needs brakes of some sort. It's not a matter of 'whether' or 'if'. They are needed.

You think that horses going downhill with a heavy carriage on wheels would be able to stop it? The carriage would just go down the hill pulling/pushing (however they are connected) the horses, potentially dragging them over the ground. If the straps broke, you'd run over the horses.

Also, once its mobile, a carriage has a lot more energy than horses could easily stop by elastic straps. It may not be relevant at slow speeds when carriage stops centimeters away from where it was no longer pulled, but for any greater speed? You totally need it. Cause again, the horses would be dragged over the ground.

It also stated that non automatic(manual) mining carts already exist and all he needed is just saw them or at least their blueprint.


Those has brake as when it loaded it has the enough potential energy to travel very fast downwards toward the deeper mines.

Knight's & Magic déjà vu.

What needed is a king that is in need of " medicine" for his retainers.

 

[Sype]

I'm very pleased that Miyabi don't know shit about mechanical engineering, because using wind to move a train is a really poor choice.
His train needs as much wind-power as an helicopter to start, and that's a lot of wind in a tunnel.
It's magic I guess

 

[roxersoxer]

She's a cat, only a cat.

A cat is fine too, y'know?

Shane Dawson, is that you?

 

[essensue]

I'm very pleased that Miyabi don't know shit about mechanical engineering, because using wind to move a train is a really poor choice.
His train needs as much wind-power as an helicopter to start, and that's a lot of wind in a tunnel.
It's magic I guess

We call it the Barotrauma Express.

 

[VinylAT]

Except, making a functional brake is extremely simple, so him not being able to think of any way (we're not talking about the best one, but any functioning brake) is stupid in the other extreme direction.

I feel like this is an underestimation of how clueless people could be. I could speak all day long about how EM waves transmit information. But I can't, off the top of my head, fully visualise how to make a brake. I know it consists of a brake pad and a mechanism to have it make contact with the wheels. But how that mechanism work is completely beyond me.

To prove it, I just googled how to make one, and made an audible "OOOH" as I see how hydraulic brakes work.

There is another, simple solution however. Maybe I am quite stupid.

 

[zetsuravez]

I didnt know carriage had that kind of break ..

 

[Nemo2342]

Some minor changes include Red Cliff having four active members while the mange has three, Mel sees Miyabi dig a massive hole and overreacts like Liz, where in the manga she doesn't overreact at all. Elenor views Miyabi as a younger brother that is always getting into trouble and Liz comments on Miyabi acting like a farther a lot more in the web novel.

Major changes are during the escort quest. In the manga Liz and Miyabi stay with Chiffon in the capital which leads to Liz being recommend to the academy and Miyabi meeting the prince. In the web novel, Liz and Miyabi return home almost immediately due to Red Cliff shenanigans. Liz going to the academy and Miyabi meeting the prince happens in later arcs. Not only that, but in the web novel we don't see Miyabi go through the process of building the train as it's done after a time skip. We don't see Liz's school life either as it's only mention, hopefully we see a bit of it in the manga.

Early on there was a major change in how Miyabi got the job to renovate the duke's bathroom. Some aspects of this may get adapted in future chapters so I'll spoiler tag it.

Spoiler: Spoiler

In the web novel, in order to not pay hotel fees, Miyabi rents a piece of land and builds a home base for Liz and himself to live in. It's located in front of the duke's mansion, and it leads to Miyabi getting the job to renovate the duke's bathroom. Mel's overreaction is due to seeing Miyabi in the process of building the home base.

Thank you, this was very helpful!

 

[darkgunner]

Thank you very much for the translation! This manga is really great, so really I appreciate your hard work!

 

[Galihsky]

Mel to the rescue!!


AGAIN

 

[GridLite]

I mean... I get that he's an architectural field specialist but man, brakes are like the most basic of the basic concept when it come to machines. It's even more basic than zipper ngl

 

[Beregorn]

Except, making a functional brake is extremely simple, so him not being able to think of any way (we're not talking about the best one, but any functioning brake) is stupid in the other extreme direction.

But he DID think of a way: the stick against the wheel. He was even smart enough to apply it to the back of the wheel, instead of trying the front and get flung into next week.
The carriage brake (which, incidentally, is also the most used brake in trains today) is just a glorified stick attached to the side: the fulcrum gives you leverage and allows you to put your weight into it, while the joint allows you to put the stick in a comfortable position for the driver.
He already had the principles right, the carriage saved him some iterations (and potential crashes).

 

[kikix12]

I feel like this is an underestimation of how clueless people could be. I could speak all day long about how EM waves transmit information. But I can't, off the top of my head, fully visualise how to make a brake.

No, it's not. By what you said, it appears you couldn't think of the basic principle of how to make the brake. The fundamental idea is the hardest part, because even if something is simple to do, it can elude one due to the large amount of 'possibilities' that there are that you may think of.

But he did correctly home in on the basic knowledge (friction) and he did correctly combine it with another key element (leverage, through stick). At that point, the only thoughts that remains to have is "it will brake stronger if I'll cause more friction" and "it's better to make it fixed" And voila, you have the very carriage brake they showed to him as the most fundamental kind of brake you can have.

From that, there are ways to go around. Do you want it to cause friction on the rim of the wheel? Uneven wear on the wheels can cause the train to go off the rails, or at least be louder and less comfortable to ride. Do you want to apply it to the axle? Risks fatal accident if it will be worn too much or a sudden impact will exceed its lowered treshold. Do you apply it to the side of the wheel then? Will require regular replacement as well. Maybe make a smaller 'wheel' on the side of the original wheel, made specifically for braking? Offers fewest immediate risks, but may make maintenance team complacent.
Then there's the increase or decrease of friction area (more friction area = more even wear and stronger braking, but limits where you can use it since it needs more space, eg. side or axle).
Then how it is applied? By pulleys? Levers? Potentially hydraulics?

However, these things would pop up naturally as problems cropped up. It's fine tuning, while I'm complaining about the basic application.

But he DID think of a way: the stick against the wheel. He was even smart enough to apply it to the back of the wheel, instead of trying the front and get flung into next week.
The carriage brake (which, incidentally, is also the most used brake in trains today) is just a glorified stick attached to the side: the fulcrum gives you leverage and allows you to put your weight into it, while the joint allows you to put the stick in a comfortable position for the driver.
He already had the principles right, the carriage saved him some iterations (and potential crashes).

A stick to a wheel is not a brake. A brake is a mechanism. Shoving a stick onto a moving object will slow it like a brake would (often using the same laws of physics as most common brakes would, too), but it's not the same as a brake.

As you said, the carriage brake is a 'glorified stick attached to the side'. And that's exactly why him understanding the basic principles of how a brake works, and even thinking of a method of how to apply those principles in real life, but not being able to actually think of even the simplest brake is ridiculous in my eyes.

At its most basic, a brake just combines some leverage and something sturdy to jam against the body in movement, fixed to the vehicle itself. When you have thought of both the friction and leverage, there's really no reason to fail making some brake.

 

[VinylAT]

At its most basic, a brake just combines some leverage and something sturdy to jam against the body in movement, fixed to the vehicle itself. When you have thought of both the friction and leverage, there's really no reason to fail making some brake.

I suppose rather than a mistake or an ooc moment, this was a shortcut for the writer to give a spotlight to the engineer guy in the story. The mangaka exaggerates how Miyabi can't come up with a brake mechanism by skipping the "failing to make a rudimentary brake" plot point straight to "zero comprehension of how brake works", to make a more impactful moment when he has to rely to the native craftsmen in the setting. After all, part of the theme in this arc is about learning to rely on others.

This is sort of supported by the fact that the author knew enough about brake, but lets another character do the explanation rather than the isekai MC like how the tropes usually goes.

It's a bir sloppy, but as far as writing goes it makes sense why you'd do that.

 

[kikix12]

I suppose rather than a mistake or an ooc moment, this was a shortcut for the writer to give a spotlight to the engineer guy in the story. The mangaka exaggerates how Miyabi can't come up with a brake mechanism by skipping the "failing to make a rudimentary brake" plot point straight to "zero comprehension of how brake works", to make a more impactful moment when he has to rely to the native craftsmen in the setting. After all, part of the theme in this arc is about learning to rely on others.

This is sort of supported by the fact that the author knew enough about brake, but lets another character do the explanation rather than the isekai MC like how the tropes usually goes.

It's a bir sloppy, but as far as writing goes it makes sense why you'd do that.

While I know that it's likely the case (I never questioned the story reason for it), I just argue that it's bad writing. It would have been much better if Miyabi just made a comment like "Now, I wonder how to make a brake for it?" and then the craftsman brought it up.

At that point, the author would both highlight the other person, and not make a mockery of Miyabi. After all, even someone that can figure something out themselves would benefit from simply using an existing idea that already solves said problem.

Basically, I just complain about consistency issues here. There'd be no problem if he was stumped by something actually complex (like steam engine). It's a problem when he has shown problem-solving skills before, but suddenly having all the necessary knowledge cannot think of the most basic thing that is simpler than what he already made.