Isekai Craft Gurashi ~Jiyuu Kimama na Seisan Shoku no Honobono Slow Life~ - Vol. 7 Ch. 32

[alidan]

Man thats the dumbest trope, specially when its applied to characters that are supposed to be smart. "Do it in half the time" no motherfucker thats not how it works.

Actually, it kinda does.

I can only talk from the programing side and government contracts but I assume it extends to everything.

you are given 3 months for a project, everyone around you tells you to take your time and just relax and do it, but the new hotshot decided they have no idea what they are talking about, they they don't want him showing them up, so he gets the project done in 2 weeks (note this isn't ballbusting work every waking hour work, this is normal 9-5) and submits it. he is congratulated, and has no work or pay for the next 2 and a half months, no bonus, just got completely screwed over because he finished ahead of schedule and there is no task for him to do till the next contract period.

in the games industry a veteran from the 90's asks a newbie to make a quick ai mockup to get things moving around, and is told it will take 3 weeks to maybe work, the veteran after trying to get this person to do it, does it himself (not his job but its a quick plug variable a into b) in an afternoon so he can get on to mocking up areas... the next day the newbie filed an hr complaint for harassment or something along those lines, and the vet had to be sat down and told how the industry works now (they were out of big studios for a while, they were returning to it after the smaller projects they were working on lost funding) and how you cant expect people to work that fast or some shit.

look at twitter and how before elon took over you had how many developers that showed off how they work 10 minutes a day and the rest is talking to friends and starbucks.

i'm not going to pretend that some things actually do take time and there is no doing it faster, but my god the amount of dicking around and padding time that happens in modern workforces is stupid. I have a friend who works as a machinist, he will get a project that may take 2 weeks of him constantly working on it, but it could be parted out to multiple people and machines if the buyer wants to expedite it, or that 2 week could become 2 months if the bureaucracy gets involved (he does some high end work that needs many people inspecting and signing off at all stages), there is a hell of alot of fat that can be cut to reduce time, along with working in parallel that can speed it up as well.

 

[haurvatat23]

Actually, it kinda does.

I can only talk from the programing side and government contracts but I assume it extends to everything.

you are given 3 months for a project, everyone around you tells you to take your time and just relax and do it, but the new hotshot decided they have no idea what they are talking about, they they don't want him showing them up, so he gets the project done in 2 weeks (note this isn't ballbusting work every waking hour work, this is normal 9-5) and submits it. he is congratulated, and has no work or pay for the next 2 and a half months, no bonus, just got completely screwed over because he finished ahead of schedule and there is no task for him to do till the next contract period.

in the games industry a veteran from the 90's asks a newbie to make a quick ai mockup to get things moving around, and is told it will take 3 weeks to maybe work, the veteran after trying to get this person to do it, does it himself (not his job but its a quick plug variable a into b) in an afternoon so he can get on to mocking up areas... the next day the newbie filed an hr complaint for harassment or something along those lines, and the vet had to be sat down and told how the industry works now (they were out of big studios for a while, they were returning to it after the smaller projects they were working on lost funding) and how you cant expect people to work that fast or some shit.

look at twitter and how before elon took over you had how many developers that showed off how they work 10 minutes a day and the rest is talking to friends and starbucks.

i'm not going to pretend that some things actually do take time and there is no doing it faster, but my god the amount of dicking around and padding time that happens in modern workforces is stupid. I have a friend who works as a machinist, he will get a project that may take 2 weeks of him constantly working on it, but it could be parted out to multiple people and machines if the buyer wants to expedite it, or that 2 week could become 2 months if the bureaucracy gets involved (he does some high end work that needs many people inspecting and signing off at all stages), there is a hell of alot of fat that can be cut to reduce time, along with working in parallel that can speed it up as well.

there are a lot of industries where that's true and timelines are padded out from an administrative perspective, but you definitely can't speed up some things that just plain take time to accomplish, like the time needed for concrete to cure, or for fixative to perfuse into tissue for histology. some stuff is going to take a very specific amount of time no matter who's doing it or what deadlines are in place, because the laws of physics themselves keep you from making it go faster.

there's a reason i brought up the FIU pedestrian bridge and it's because the whole reason that thing collapsed is because the construction company was trying to get around concrete curing time impeding car traffic by having it cure elsewhere and then moving it onsite, which of course broke the concrete. this is what happens when you think you can outsmart physics to save on time. six people died when it collapsed. idk, i think miyabi's 100% in the right to want to take his time and stress-test the shit out of everything he makes before scaling up, especially when any unforeseen failure point could literally kill his best friend

 

[NamaeX]

Not sure if I said this before but this manga needs an anime yesterday. With all the Isekai that’s been greenlit or releasing anime this year this should be something people would enjoy since it has action, comedy, gratuitous food shots, and tinges of romance.

 

[NamaeX]

there are a lot of industries where that's true and timelines are padded out from an administrative perspective, but you definitely can't speed up some things that just plain take time to accomplish, like the time needed for concrete to cure, or for fixative to perfuse into tissue for histology. some stuff is going to take a very specific amount of time no matter who's doing it or what deadlines are in place, because the laws of physics themselves keep you from making it go faster.

there's a reason i brought up the FIU pedestrian bridge and it's because the whole reason that thing collapsed is because the construction company was trying to get around concrete curing time impeding car traffic by having it cure elsewhere and then moving it onsite, which of course broke the concrete. this is what happens when you think you can outsmart physics to save on time. six people died when it collapsed. idk, i think miyabi's 100% in the right to want to take his time and stress-test the shit out of everything he makes before scaling up, especially when any unforeseen failure point could literally kill his best friend

Miyabi even admitted he’s not knowledgeable in that field to begin with. Not to mention this is vastly different from his other works in that it has a lot of additional moving parts.

 

[NamaeX]

haurvatat23, don't look now, Utoon is trying to snipe this title.

 

[xSauriaNx]

contrary to lots of tripping comments here,

I actually like and "understand" the situation here. And this is something I think a lot of commenters have forgot; "NONE ARE ACQUAINTED WITH MIYABI AND HIS WORK!" aside from Zion and the Dukke but even them have never seen him DO HIS WORK.

The conservative Giorgi is speaking from production perspective which is valid, If you think about cost and resource usage with the context that their world haven't had developments in speedy transport, it is actual nuts. From prototyping to finalization of designs and QCs. That's an astronomical nuts. In our world, we can remedy that with cooperation and/or investment from other entities be it a private firm or a country itself. But the Angelum territory seems cannot afford to have those remedy. Especially winter time. Sending letters back and forth seems like utter counter-intuitive at the current season they have.

On Elda's side, the proposal is too good too be true. And someone like the hot lady that she is, seems to be a really huge STICKLER to the rules. Seems like the pride of a merchant when it comes to contracts. Back to what I want to say... SOMETHING THAT NICE ALWAYS HAS NEGATIVE ATTACHED TO IT... and she laid out enough the downside for their side. The railway construction will result into backdoor transactions that can get spiral down real ugly fast enough, hence her proposal, ironing out the basic utilization and regulation rules of it. There are people like Miyabi, in case you people forgot, albeit having lower leveled "inventory" skill that can be used to SMUGGLE goods fast enough. The illegal trades can benefit a lot more than you can imagine.

Here comes the Duke catching on the real deal of the project despite not actually hearing the actual real reason. So let's go back to the prototyping. Miyabi ballparked a six month to give himself a clear half year timeframe but the Duke slashed that to 3 months. To quote someone from the comments, "It is currently winter and 3 months is the perfect excuse to use to make a prototype to entice both production and merchant guilds as their activity are actually hindered by the winter itself". Duke Belldini has seen the result of Miyabi's work without actually seeing it. Miyabi actually works mind-bogglingly fast that a kilometre prototype railway is feasible under 3 months, he made short work on that mountain what makes you think an underground railway would be different? Miyabi did corner himself by not knowing the intricacies of a train cart though that didn't detract the founded confidence the Duke has for Miyabi.

Giorgi and Elda are getting heated that the fact Miyabi pitched in gave him the chance to shut both persistent mofos. The Duke have seen results and the fact that Miyabi's "interest" isn't stepping on others was a perfect chance to seal the deal and have things go forward during the time where the biggest hindrances are at their lowest functioning state. This was further supported by the fact that he noticed his daughter have burried the lede in her letter report. The outermost layer is Angelum is gonna have a perfect quick access to the Capital using the "new innovative technology!", under it is the "recommendation for travel to Royyal Academy" excused written by Chiffon. The real reason is something the Duke hasn't learned but clearly knows it exist is because Miyabi insisted to have a right on the project.

This father and daughter combo are really smart. Huge kudos to Chiffon too for intentionally burying the lede there in her report to make the Duke notice that there's a personal reason to the proposal veiled under a legit reason to have it.

On Miyabi, this was a hard lesson for him to learn. The game he played is literally a free to claim and build thingy majiggy to which he forgot that this other world has a functioning governing structure. He also got complacent that he did two approved work by the Duke that he thought that the Duke is the only approval he'll ever need. It wasn't his fault that he didn't know but he already got warned once during the renovation incident. Something he forgot.

Though out of this, Miyabi learned to "value" his work a bit. Yes, he can do things without anyone's approval really on any given time at any given pace, but this time now he knows not to blindly introduce projects without any form of consultation. It gets way out of hand and spirals ugly really fast. His personal project almost got snatched away from him and almost made him free labour for it. Moreso, since he personally experienced refused drafts in this world... again... maybe, that he needs to learn to restrain himself a bit more. He's literally just relying on people turning their brains off when interacting with him but the reality won't cater to such stupidity. Now he gets a hard dosage of reality and it is good. Good lesson for him.

 

[SoniaPhos]

About time this mc decided to grow a bit of a spine. He litterally has the highest mana capacity in the world (as far as we know).

He has to finish it in half the time, but he can clear mountains in a matter of minutes. So I don't see why he wouldnt be able to do it in 3 months so long as monsters don't attack.

Also having no experience in the field and knowledge of the amount of time, accounting for possible catastrophic errors like monster attacks, and for how monumentus his plan is. I would ask for 5-10 years minimum. Especially since he's never prototype. actually made a working.

Then if he happens to finish it in 6 months, he would have a better grasp of what he's capable of.

 

[Kaarme]

They thought they were just going to pay him and then ban him from even using it?

Yes, and to pay him a pittance, at that. 10 years of an average man's salary in the historical times was pretty much nothing. In the USA, an average annual salary seems to be $64k. Ten times that is $640k. Imagine you offered Elon Musk to make his Hyperloop work technologically and financially, with no risk for Musk himself, and he offered you $640k as compensation if you actually pulled it off. Not before, but after the thing is in operation, carrying folks between San Francisco and Los Angeles nonstop and making good profit. For the nominally richest man in the world, that would be candy money, and thus it would be nothing but an insult if he offered that to someone for solving one of his greatest regrets.

The duke was basically spitting on Miyabi's face when he told Miyabi should be happy with that laughable reward.

 

[xSauriaNx]

The duke was basically spitting on Miyabi's face when he told Miyabi should be happy with that laughable reward.

Really? More like he was challenging Miyabi since he was pitching in that he should have rights for the project too. And since the boy didn't back down, the Duke approved of it since he knows Miyabi has good track record so far.

There was no reward mentioned before Miyabi butted in.

 

[Khazar123]

Maybe we’re witnessing a character grow and learn to stand up for themselves and gain confidence in their ability to navigate in what are entirely novel situations idk.

I don’t see it as miyabi not having a backbone/always getting taken advantage of when a lot of the things have simply aligned with what he already wants to do and don’t cause a tremendous amount of friction.

Yes there are times when he could force an issue and ensure he gets a super awesome outcome for himself at the expense of others but it’s pretty clear that’s not his MO.

But we’ve also just seen him stick up for himself in what is clearly a tense situation for him, ie we are witnessing character growth.

Idk it’s weird how many ppl hate the OP MC who gets whatever they want and face zero adversity. But then hate when a character has to grow in any way that isn’t physical/magical power boost.

Just my thoughts and not aiming these at any comments in particular btw.

Well let’s just hope he will actually grow from this.

Some Manga/Media just have these “tense” situations for drama and a “backbone awakening” moment, just for MC to handle every situation after with the same personality, just it being different situations, so it’s not AS obvious that the MC never really changed.

We will see.

 

[MrGrinns]

I love how they have absolutely zero chance of making this project without him yet they still think they can cut him out of negotiations. Fucking vultures

 

[sotokouya]

if miyabi wasn't already doing stuff for the duke i would just scream and told him to get other country to do the projects instead of these people (i do feel bad for the adventurer guild's master too tho)

 

[Atrizk]

After that meeting scene, I start thinking to dropping this manga

 

[screamingthird]

I think too many people treat the people here unreasonably because we have knowledge they dont.

imagine if in reel life, the equivelant of a bachelors engineering student said "hey lol by the way I can build a warp drive .mind giving me permission, it'll only take terraforming half a country"

fuck no you're not going to give permission.

they dont know about Miyabi's powers, so the conceptual idea of this requires a gigantic amount of money (hell even with miyabi's power this is going to take a pretty big amount of material cost and a gigantic amount of time, just in the time it takes for miyabi to fucking walk the distance, and then he needs to prove how to maintain it as well) as a startup (building tunnels aint easy you know), and also relies on a "bro trust me" on technology they can barely even fathom.

the fact they're even giving miyabi the time of day speaks VOLUMES to how much the duke favours him, even if just as a tool to be used.

think about it, what happens if he fucks up? fro, their perspective, you've wasted an astronomical amount of money, completely fucked a significant amount of land, likely killed a bunch of people from work accidents.

also, "just build it himself", If someone begins digging a gigantic underground tunnel network the first reaction of the goverment is going to be "wow the enemy spies are getting really advanced" and giga destroying that shit.

 

[phorx]

I think it’s amazing that they’re ok antagonizing someone this talented.

If he had a bad personality he could easily just flatten the homes of the people in this room and go to the neighboring country.

 

[Kaarme]

Really? More like he was challenging Miyabi since he was pitching in that he should have rights for the project too. And since the boy didn't back down, the Duke approved of it since he knows Miyabi has good track record so far.

There was no reward mentioned before Miyabi butted in.

Yes, everybody loves to be challenged by an autocrat, whose one word could get you exiled penniless or even thrown into a prison for the rest of your days, without anyone daring to say anything about it.

He was going to pay Miyabi a pittance. That was already made clear. As if Miyabi was offering to do something a hundred others could do as well. Nothing special. Why wouldn't he, if Miyabi had been okay with it? The duke has to worry about the expenses of his whole fiefdom. Even trillion dollar corporations like Apple shamelessly steal innovations if they can get away with it, and even if they can't, they try to sort it out in the court in their own favour if possible. Miyabi is mentally weak, susceptible to such treatment.

 

[DanYHKim]

It's good that land rights came up, land rights are very important to a country's economic development historically. The sort of talk in the meeting gave me some Spice & Wolf nostalgia.

It also reminds me of Pratchett's "Raising Steam", in which Moist von Lipwig creates a railroad. Many similar issues come up, and a subway is even more complicated in some ways. While digging a subway can seem to eliminate the issues of land rights and access, including interference with cattle drives and annual migrations of wild herds, the noble families controlling the land along the way will surely lay claim to the "land" even down to the center of the planet.

If the monarchy is invested, though, they might make a summary ruling that "land rights extend only as far down as the basement of a typical municipal building" or something, declaring the planetary crust below that level to be the domain of the King. This would, of course, step on the toes of the dwarves and other mining interests, who could then be compelled to pay royalties for their activities, formerly unaccounted because the underground realm belonged to 'nobody'. The usual lawsuits will also follow the construction of a long-range subway, as farmers claim that curdled milk, mastitis, and two-headed calves are the result of the subway's operations. (I think that these are all issues that have had to be addressed in real-life here on Earth).

Engineering and logistical problems at such scales will certainly become a problem as well. Simply dumping the toilets becomes a problem for a subway. A surface railroad may dump along the track, with the winds of the train's passing dispersing any material over the course of miles. But without rain or other weather events, such a thing would not work in a subway for very long, and the aerosols will be a respiratory health hazard. I'm taking it as a given that stability of the tunnel itself will somehow be magically guaranteed, but any conveyance that must travel for 12 straight hours at a sprinting pace can break down for other reasons at the halfway point, requiring a rescue at more conventional travel speeds even if the rescue crew is using the unobstructed tunnel to travel. The trip overland takes weeks, and so a stranded train full of passengers, goods, and (shudder) perishable goods might be waiting for several days without provisions. Way stations with egress to the surface should be made at regular intervals, which would be the nucleus of new towns around the subway stations. Regular stops would need to be scheduled, and then the system will need accurate clocks to ensure that the trains run on time. There are also traditional methods, devised in the 19th century, for ensuring that a stretch of track is being used by only one train at a time. This will need to be reinvented or substituted with some other method that might use magic. But over time the wildlife (and squatters) will begin to encroach on the subway itself, and then someone will want to bring a car full of pigs to the capital . . . .

Simply digging "in one direction" will naturally result in a circular path, as humans naturally walk in a circle when walking blind of landmarks. If a magnetic compass exists, and can be calibrated, the tendency might be corrected a bit, but a deviation of one degree can result in missing the destination city by miles. While surveying probably exists in this world to some degree, there are probably special methods for keeping oriented underground that will need to be invented. Finally, when building a tunnel of such distance the curvature of the planet itself will need to be accounted for.

 

[DanYHKim]

Mel to the rescue!

Creative people, and particularly technical types and engineering types, often need a manager to run interference for them. Kind of like an agent for a performer. They ensure that the client is taken care of and doesn't have to get bogged down in the details. For this they get their 10%. They protect their client, and the client will always find it fun to 'produce' while somehow the money will always be there.

The art itself is the compulsion of the artist. They will produce even to their own material detriment. They cannot help it, but they end up starving or dying of consumption. But with a proper agent and manager, they can live like a prize bull contracted to stud. They will live longer and have all the resources needed to generate both art and riches. In a way, the Adventurers Guild (and other guilds, I'm sure) have this role, but Miyabi kind of breaks the system enough that nobody's looking out for him properly. I suppose that the Duke might find someone to do this, if the subway project works out well. Chiffon has taken this role to a great degree in terms of Liz by introducing her to the Professor and making her see that the Academy is a viable option for her. Liz is potentially a powerful resource for the Kingdom as a researcher and potentially a Professor herself, but is too fixated on adventuring, so Chiffon will develop that resource by facilitating her development. Similarly, Miyabi can be cultivated if he can prove himself. Miyabi is not so directly in Chiffon's circle of interest, though, and so she is letting him fend for himself while still directing him to prove up with her father. Prince Cress might also be recruited to provide rex ex machina for Miyabi.

I would think that, after the prototype proves itself, the Duke will give management over to the Merchant's Guild. They would have a natural role in trade infrastructure, but if there is a Carter's Guild that handles overland transport, they should be given a role to compensate for the loss of revenue. Maybe special rights over certain types of train cars can be devised, in which freight cars are the purview of the Carters, overall management goes to the Merchants, maintenance and infrastructure is handled by the Dwarves.

In "Raising Steam" by Sir Terry Pratchett, the engineer Mr. Simnel is protected and cultivated by both Moist von Lipwig and Harry King. One providing clever words and people skills, while the other provides money and muscle (not for construction, but for intimidation). A bit less genteel than the circles of influence we are seeing here, but the needs are the same.

 

[NamaeX]

If only the idea to level up one’s storage was well-known, we’d have crafters acting as porters/couriers tasked with carrying/delivering goods which would in turn expand their capacity and then ensure down the line they had enough space to store raw materials if they had to go gathering. Heck, imagine needing to pay crafters to deliver goods and the train helps with shrinking the delivery time.

 

[Hauberk1800]

Thanks for the chapter!