Isekai Meikyuu de Harem o - Vol. 2 Ch. 12 - Double 3
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My pp is hard. Good MC. Solid character development. Thank you Author
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how realistic is this?
I mean the whole sex thing. I only have h-manga and porn as reference. I'm sorry for being a virgin.
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Kinda shocked at the number of people that DON'T see this as super rape-y and creepy. She can't say no to her master and he continues to own that role while being a total hornball with his power- it's like a boss coming on to a new co-worker, say no and you're fired (or in this world, probably killed since she is a slave). How can people not see that? If you feel really defensive right now, you should probably re-examine how you treat/view others. Dropped.
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@unknownfactor You should be the one getting yourself checked considering you're literally taking a fictional piece so seriously.
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@unknownfactor is correct. I am just more and more disappointed in the human race with every passing day
@MasterPannya morning scene was unrealistic as hell 0/10. No way he could stop himself there and not do another round 
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Alpha af. This is what you’re coming for when you click on a Harem Isekai. The other 90% of cuck Isekai MCs can’t get close to the balls of this one, 10/10 would fuck again. I can see how this can be somewhat insensitive towards rape, but there are enough hints that Roxanne is enjoying it that I don’t think it’s rape too much
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Well, you guys are right. What could otherwise have been have been a (fairly well done) sex scene starting with light foreplay via mutual bathing and haircare turns into a nightmare once you remember Roxanne is a chattel slave, not his lover, who's apparently been raised to believe she has to sit and eat on the floor, and one of her purposes in life is to sexually satisfy whoever her master is.
To be entirely fair, it's probably getting the positive audience reaction it is for a few reasons (I don't endorse these reasons, but they're interesting to analyze):
There's so much goddamn isekai (and multiple other genres, but it's really bad with the 'slave isekai' stuff) where the entire female cast could throw themselves at the MC's feet, begging him for sex, then (when that inevitably failed), strip him and chain him to a bed, line up to take their turns with him - and somehow the MC or the author would find a way to make sure the MC didn't get any. Everybody's fucking sick of that shit (except, apparently, most authors/publishers for the JP audience), and people like stuff like this because the MC actually went for it and got some, even though the situation is, by all standards of consent, completely reprehensible. It's a contrast to the more usual genre stuff, so people like it just for being that. (They could go read Gun-Ota or some other stuff that has an MC get his dick soaked with full consent instead, though.)
It's very easy to do the mental dodge of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" - hell, I've got to continually do it for Wuxia/xianxia stuff where people routinely kill over insults. And the MC has continually been noting "ok, the rules are different here - guess I'll have to live with that, and I might as well enjoy some of the benefits", ever since he killed the first set of bandits. We're all fine with him going to a bandit hideout and slaughtering sleeping people unprovoked because they had "Bandit" set as their class, since that's how this world apparently works. It's been noted twice now that you can apparently just walk up to the "Chivalric" guild and turn in cards indicating you killed people, and they don't ask any questions, because those guys had the "Bandit" class - EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW YOU CAN GET THE "BANDIT" CLASS FOR PUTTING ON SANDALS THAT DON'T BELONG TO YOU (like the MC did, seconds after arriving in this world). That's apparently fine with everybody in the comments, somehow.
Narratively, readers feel like the MC earned her, since the bulk of the story so far has been him constantly trying to get the money through dangerous means. This is arguably the most disturbing reason to be ok with what happened here, since it's tied inextricably to the chattel slavery and utter negation of consent at play here, and shows how an author can set stuff up so even things like that feel reasonable in a story.
Roxanne is consistently depicted in the art (and noted in the MC's internal monologue) as being pretty into the whole thing, from about halfway through the hair-washing onward. She even gives verbal 'consent' at least once, and consistent physical consent. We don't actually know how slavery fully works in this setting. I think the only things we know for certain is that slaves die when their masters do (unless there's a will in place), runaways can be hunted, and masters are legally required to provide for their slaves. There doesn't appear to be any magical compulsion involved otherwise, and there's no explicit coercion or threats from the MC. (This is completely negated by the fact that she has apparently been taught that her purposes in life are sexually serving her master and fighting. So cultural/learned compulsion, rather than magical.)
This is a fucking fantasy. People read it because it's not like our world. I'm very on the fence about this reasoning, but I doubt everybody who helped make Fifty Shades of Grey a bestseller actually thinks manipulative relationships involving forcing people over their boundaries without a safeword are a good thing and they'd love to be on the receiving end of that, same as I doubt everyone who likes this thinks anything like what's happening here is near appropriate.
I've gotten a bit longwinded, but it's been an interesting journey thinking through how the author manages to sell a concept that's this offputting.
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8-ish for an established couple that's been comfortable with each other for a while (probably would have been a bit more foreplay unless the girl got really turned on by the bathing thing. Tbh, that kind of contact can really get people going).
I'd give it a 2-3 for two nervous first-timers. (Particularly given the whole "can't not give consent" slavery thing on Roxanne's part, which would just ratchet up anxiety.)
Although the waking up and being all over each other (and then getting even more all over each other and never wanting to get out of the bed) thing is absolutely accurate. (I'm with @eureur on this one. There's no way in hell those two would make it into the labyrinth before noon. Even if they didn't go for another round, just lying lazily in bed kind of mixed up with someone else who's half asleep is great.)
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Well, you guys are right. What could otherwise have been have been a (fairly well done) sex scene starting with light foreplay via mutual bathing and haircare turns into a nightmare once you remember Roxanne is a chattel slave, not his lover, who's apparently been raised to believe she has to sit and eat on the floor, and one of her purposes in life is to sexually satisfy whoever her master is.
To be entirely fair, it's probably getting the positive audience reaction it is for a few reasons (I don't endorse these reasons, but they're interesting to analyze):
There's so much goddamn isekai (and multiple other genres, but it's really bad with the 'slave isekai' stuff) where the entire female cast could throw themselves at the MC's feet, begging him for sex, then (when that inevitably failed), strip him and chain him to a bed, line up to take their turns with him - and somehow the MC or the author would find a way to make sure the MC didn't get any. Everybody's fucking sick of that shit (except, apparently, most authors/publishers for the JP audience), and people like stuff like this because the MC actually went for it and got some, even though the situation is, by all standards of consent, completely reprehensible. It's a contrast to the more usual genre stuff, so people like it just for being that. (They could go read Gun-Ota or some other stuff that has an MC get his dick soaked with full consent instead, though.)
It's very easy to do the mental dodge of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" - hell, I've got to continually do it for Wuxia/xianxia stuff where people routinely kill over insults. And the MC has continually been noting "ok, the rules are different here - guess I'll have to live with that, and I might as well enjoy some of the benefits", ever since he killed the first set of bandits. We're all fine with him going to a bandit hideout and slaughtering sleeping people unprovoked because they had "Bandit" set as their class, since that's how this world apparently works. It's been noted twice now that you can apparently just walk up to the "Chivalric" guild and turn in cards indicating you killed people, and they don't ask any questions, because those guys had the "Bandit" class - EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW YOU CAN GET THE "BANDIT" CLASS FOR PUTTING ON SANDALS THAT DON'T BELONG TO YOU (like the MC did, seconds after arriving in this world). That's apparently fine with everybody in the comments, somehow.
Narratively, readers feel like the MC earned her, since the bulk of the story so far has been him constantly trying to get the money through dangerous means. This is arguably the most disturbing reason to be ok with what happened here, since it's tied inextricably to the chattel slavery and utter negation of consent at play here, and shows how an author can set stuff up so even things like that feel reasonable in a story.
Roxanne is consistently depicted in the art (and noted in the MC's internal monologue) as being pretty into the whole thing, from about halfway through the hair-washing onward. She even gives verbal 'consent' at least once, and consistent physical consent. We don't actually know how slavery fully works in this setting. I think the only things we know for certain is that slaves die when their masters do (unless there's a will in place), runaways can be hunted, and masters are legally required to provide for their slaves. There doesn't appear to be any magical compulsion involved otherwise, and there's no explicit coercion or threats from the MC. (This is completely negated by the fact that she has apparently been taught that her purposes in life are sexually serving her master and fighting. So cultural/learned compulsion, rather than magical.)
This is a fucking fantasy. People read it because it's not like our world. I'm very on the fence about this reasoning, but I doubt everybody who helped make Fifty Shades of Grey a bestseller actually thinks manipulative relationships involving forcing people over their boundaries without a safeword are a good thing and they'd love to be on the receiving end of that, same as I doubt everyone who likes this thinks anything like what's happening here is near appropriate.
I've gotten a bit longwinded, but it's been an interesting journey thinking through how the author manages to sell a concept that's this offputting.
@MasterPannya
8-ish for an established couple that's been comfortable with each other for a while (probably would have been a bit more foreplay unless the girl got really turned on by the bathing thing. Tbh, that kind of contact can really get people going).
I'd give it a 2-3 for two nervous first-timers. (Particularly given the whole "can't not give consent" slavery thing on Roxanne's part, which would just ratchet up anxiety.)
Although the waking up and being all over each other (and then getting even more all over each other and never wanting to get out of the bed) thing is absolutely accurate. (I'm with @eureur on this one. There's no way in hell those two would make it into the labyrinth before noon. Even if they didn't go for another round, just lying lazily in bed kind of mixed up with someone else who's half asleep is great.)
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Ve~ry nice. Congratz on graduating from your DT, Michio.
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This is straight up rape, and I honestly am not invested in the story enough to see if the author tries to fix this later. Dropped.
(I guess it's a passable fapping material though? I don't judge, shit for a story though)
@MasterPannya It's about 1, two first timers knowing what they're doing from the get go? hahahaha, that just doesn't happen, you'll know when you experience it yourself, good luck. No rush though, and consent is crucial, just because the girl can't say no (like in this shitty manga, where she's simply in no position to refuse) doesn't mean she agrees, always be sure both of you are on the same page and want the same thing.
(I guess it's a passable fapping material though? I don't judge, shit for a story though)
@MasterPannya It's about 1, two first timers knowing what they're doing from the get go? hahahaha, that just doesn't happen, you'll know when you experience it yourself, good luck. No rush though, and consent is crucial, just because the girl can't say no (like in this shitty manga, where she's simply in no position to refuse) doesn't mean she agrees, always be sure both of you are on the same page and want the same thing.
