It's Not Meguro-san's First Time - Vol. 1 Ch. 9 - Guilty Feelings

[Acolytus]

@RuthlessOne I don't want to criticize other cultures but that sounds awful. That's the sort of shit that ruins a kid's self-esteem.

I agree with what other people said, the mom is horrible and is probably the cause that MC is a nervous wreck.

 

[Gotim18]

The fireworks festival will likely see her getting hit on again so lets see if the mc has grown and can stand up to the guys this time.

@degenerateafro the mom doesn’t know anything about her so of course she treats her normally, though it still might not change anyway. But the mc doesn’t treat her like an object, more like an idol or a goddess. With an object you wouldn’t care what they think or want whereas the mc cares too much about this and props her up on a pedestal.

 

[Umesan]

@Acolytus. It hurts the self-esteem yeah but if anything that criticism in the face of everyone else is just how it is for us here with typical Asian Parents.

The point of it was just for us to strive ourselves to do better because we get a push to exceed instead of being babied and coddled. I'm speaking typical Asian parents btw just reminding. Not all Asian parents are like this. This Parenting technique works sometimes. Other times it doesn't.
In my point of view there's so many weird things I'd like to say about Western parents in other cultures too. Lots of bad things. So both East and West have values the other doesn't understand

 

[breizh]

Why would it be « pretty bad » as he said that he invited her over seriously

 

[YamiryuuZero]

"Did she come out of your screen?"
XD Golden!

 

[primrosea]

everyone bashing the MILF when she just said those things as a joke, and I'm sure the MC knows she's joking
she's actually my fave kind of MC's parents, the one who can joke like that with their kids, and it's actually not that rare in SoL and comedy Mangas

like, don't ppl sometimes jokingly said horrible things about their friends when introducing them to their other friends? it's just like that IMO

 

[passepartout39]

Also got Asian parents so I can relate a lot. @RuthlessOne While I agree to most of your saying, there's just a point I don't.

It's not an indirect encouragement or anything like that, it's simply "training" since you know they will never be satisfied nor you'll get a reward but simply punished for performing badly. Having a 19/20 is bad and 20/20 is just normal, you can apply this dogma to everything. This way of education is just like a shock collar for dogs except you wear since you're a baby. It destroys self-esteem but you'll perform well in life.

As @Umesan said there are some advantage and disadvantage to each form of education w/e it's western or not.
Being a parent doesn't come with a manual and is not easy, I don't blame mine and I'm really thankful to them.
If I got kids, just like my parents or anyone, I'll choose to educate them the way I believe that is correct.

 

[Le_Dook]

Holy shit this chapter was information overload

 

[Keansor]

He made a move?? Seriously??
Character growth ahoy! Author-san's doing this shit right!

 

[Kaarme]

@Keansor
He was in his own room. It ought to be the only place in the world where he feels like he's in control of anything.

 

[jokerxhisoka]

What a shitty mother

 

[kuyukotto]

"did she pop out of your screen?" ... Mom sure is cultured.

 

[havelmom]

lmao that's the worst fictional mother ever
she not only thinks little of her son, but also resents him for being born
this manga is low key VERY HEAVY in it's subjects

 

[LemonJuice]

Damn. No wonder he has self esteem issues with his mother constantly bringing him down and pointing out what's wrong with him.

 

[Meridis]

@Gotim18

The ironic thing about the fireworks statement is that that would be objectification instead. I know we kinda want to see it because his reason for not stepping in last time was his low self-esteem but you actually should not jump in in situations like that unless they're persistent or actually touch them. Either jumping in to fend off other guys or not backing off until her boyfriend comes to claim her are both actions that operate under the assumption that she is an object owned by a man. The most respectful thing you can do in this situation is to let her reject them herself and only jump in if they become a threat to her.

 

[Gotim18]

@Meridis like with the other person I think we have a different definition of objectifying someone as I don’t see that as he owns her but rather that in a relationship you are equal partners and standing up for each other is a part of that. But she has already rejected the people before and they are always way too pushy, but last time he hesitated to speak up so it would show he has grown a little if he manages it this time.

 

[AddictedWeeaboo]

@_anq I loved your interview, you are one of my favorite scanslators. Thank you for these chapters.

 

[FredFriendly]

@Meridis

you actually should not jump in in situations like that unless they're persistent or actually touch them

And what if your girlfriend is too timid to speak up? What if she's terrified by a situation where unknown men are being sexually aggressive towards her? Should you just let her cower and suffer until they actual touch her. That would not be very respectful to your girlfriend. I don't disagree that, if your girlfriend is, unlike 99+% of women portrayed in manga, capable of defending herself in such a situation that you should let her take care of it herself, but I would bet that most women would be grateful if you did interfere, even if they could.

 

[Meridis]

@Gotim18
yeah, if they are persistent then stepping in to help is just being decent. I'm just pointing out that it is true that the notion that you must be the one to step in or that you can pester a woman until her boyfriend shows up. It isn't a matter of different definitions, we don't get to have our own personal or convenient definitions of objectification. It's literal objectification. It's just that we don't associate it with objectification. The implication of it is still that she's an object.

So, yeah, if he waits for her to actually need help then he's good but if he steps in before that, it's objectification. It's not something people normally realize so I'm pointing it out. There is no different definition to argue here.

@FredFriendly

I said if they are persistent OR actually touch them. You don't have to wait for them to touch them but you should immediately if they do. If they are timid, even to the point where outright saying no is difficult, then they still wouldn't agree to it immediately. If they are still going after them without getting a "yes", that is being persistent, then step in.

also, oddly enough, respecting them and doing what they like are two different things. You could do a lot of nice things for a person that does not respect them as a functioning adult. So, the other persons appreciation actually isn't a metric of if they are being objectified. After all, much of "chivalry" is rooted in objectification and assumptions of weakness.

 

[FredFriendly]

@Meridis Unbelievable. If I knew that my girlfriend was terrified of unknown men (or any men, for that matter) being sexually aggressive towards her, I would not wait until they persisted, let alone touch her, but would immediately step in to fen

You logic is like a sweater in a closet full of moths.