Itsuka Fukushuu Suru Sono Tame ni - Ch. 35 - I was just acting nice to you for my vengeance.

[Eighty-six]

My main points were you initially stating how stupid it was for him to go for the revenge and how it doesn’t make any sense for him to do so.

I didn't say that. To clarify: in earlier chapters, I specifically criticized as inefficient the manner in which he sought to get his revenge. Recently, I've additionally complained about him about him seeking revenge even after she started sacrificing herself for him (as per his allowance) while he reaped the benefits of this, and even after he was nearly won over by her efforts. Because it's not that he's had this unbroken and undisturbed desire for revenge, and it's not as if nothing at all changed after chapter 1.

I've certainly never criticized him seeking revenge at all.

Now yes he could bully her but realistically how is this causing her more harm than personal emotional manipulation?

Your previous argument was that he's trying to do what she did to him, back to her. Given that, we don't need to ask this question-- we need to ask the question of what he can do that would conceivably reciprocate the harm she did to him. The most obvious answer would "launch or participate in a bullying campaign against her".

And maybe I am being too harsh to FMC. I’ll admit that, but those actions aren’t something you can apologize for or just forget.

You're absolutely right.

The FMC also agrees, even now.

I understand the MC. I understand the moral gravity of the FMC's past actions. Everyone understands she can't be easily forgiven, if at all. Everyone understands why he would want revenge. Everyone at least understands why he's going about it in this very sub-optimal way.

I also understand the MC is a half-hearted person who just about does whatever he fancies and then tacks on "for my vengeance", with little regard for the ultimate coherence of his movements. It's why he engages in an intimate relationship with this girl who viciously bullied him. It's why he repeatedly furiously copulates with this girl who sexually assaulted him. It's why he states that he forgave a girl he didn't actually forgive, which also opened the way to the aforementioned intimate relationship and furious copulation. It's why, after his "progress" got reverted, he suddenly decided he would kill himself even though he would so deprive himself of the satisfaction of any revenge he would have managed on account of that act. It's why he let her sacrifice herself for him without also thinking anything like "I'll just let her go through all this just to spit in her face in the middle of it all"-- in fact, he goes from simply doubting her capability, to reveling in the results of the other bullies, before he just starts getting won over. From the start of that segment of time, too, he's being dragged along in her machinations.

I don't care about whether the FMC has changed. I think you're being rationally harsh on her. Thing is, she explicitly believes as you believe, so I'm more concerned about how the MC thinks he's plainly entitled to any action, no matter how conceptually contradictory (e.g. "how are you repeatedly willingly having sex with someone who sexually assaulted you?") just because he suffered at some point.

To sum up my feelings: this character is ignoble, and in that ignobility, he seeks to elaborately victimize someone lower than him just because she once victimized him when he was lower.

My consternation isn't with his revenge-- it's with the fact that he, to use simpler terms, "ain't shit".

 

[Paracelsius]

So where can I read this 18+ version of a certain chapter everyone keeps talking about? A google search yields no results.

 

[DukeNoirIV]

I WANNA KILL MYSELF. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO FEEL ABOUT THIS. FUCKK