Jiisama ga Iku - Vol. 1 Ch. 4.1 - BONUS CHAPTER OLD MAN IS ABSENT

[Aretheus]

@Lazgrane That's blatantly false. But it's what everyone's told isn't it. A calorie is a calorie. If you're fat and unhealthy, then you are eating too much and not exercising enough. That's just obvious. Unfortunately, that narrative was constructed because Harvard researchers in the 1970s had their pockets lined up by cereal, fruit juice, and snack companies. It's simply not how the brain nor the body works.

When you consume carbohydrates in any moderate-high amount, you spike your blood sugar and your pancreas generates insulin. The thing about insulin is that it prevents your fat cells from communicating with your brain to tell it that you are full, and have lots of energy ready to use. People with either high amounts of insulin, broken leptin production system, or a damaged hypothalamus always feel hungry and never want to move because their body thinks that its starving and needs to conserve energy. Fix that, and the body suddenly wants to burn all that excess fat, giving these people access to this energy supply that has been gated off for all this time.

We find that if we regulate the insulin production in our bodies, people immediately stop excessively eating and desiring physical activity. We've always blamed fat people for being fat as a character flaw, but we know the truth now. The biochemistry of the brain dictates energy storage and behaviors of the body. And since we know that in ~95% of cases, insulin is the culprit, if we lower insulin, we lower obesity. What's the best way to reduce insulin in the body? Intermitent fasting and a low-carb diet (not necessarily keto).

 

[Homelander]

That udon looked so tasty.

 

[0Ai0]

THanks For Your Hard Work!! <3 <3 MOre Please!! <3 <3

 

[alidan]

@Aretheus
half right half wrong.
The way that the body uses energy is simple to complex, simple being sugar and complex being fat.
The body also reacts like it has sugar off artificial sweeteners, now because you are talking about fat, I assume you live in the americas.
the problem isn't carbs, though that does little favors due to its the fact that sugar and artificial sweeteners are in almost everything.
this makes the body think it has easier food to deal with first.
the body will deal with sugars, then carbs, then fat.
a keto diet is trying to take the first two out of equation, but the problem there is if you do that and nothing else, the body will cannibalize itself, so a high protein/fat diet is needed so the body doesn't go after organs (it does this as a last resort but it will eat bits if you don't have stable protein.) if you have a sugar intake or a carb intake to high, it resets the process.

high carbs are not bad if you are already thin, but if you are fat it makes it a nightmare to lose the weight.
Now I single out america's for one reason, our table bread is closer to what some countries call cake.
If you don't make the food yourself, as in from raw ingredients, there is no way in hell you can avoid additives put there not for taste but to make said thing more addictive.

hell, in our cupboards, there is a granola bar, it's a small amount of food, nothing that will fill you up and barely acts as a snack.
it has a tablespoon of sugar in it, that is americas pre processed health food.

The tldr is largely nothing is wrong with carbs, but look around you at everything you have and look at the shit they put in it, look at how horrible the food they make for you is, and realize its all there to try and make you addicted, to try and make you crave it. Ill tell you this, I love the food I make myself but I have never craved it like I have for some pre processed shit, they hired biologists and psychologists for a reason and it sure as hell isn't to make the food better.

 

[Hurokun]

@Aretheus first. Source for your argument.
we are on he internet, assume everything said is false till proof is given.

second. the problem is way bigger than just " people are lazy so they are fat" or "insulin fks up body and people are fat". there is a shit ton of motives for people get fat, the actually most common motive is social.


also, if you are consuming carbohydrates in any moderate-high amount. THEN YOU ARE EATING TOO MUCH (and probably not exercising enough) you broke your argument a few moments after calling @Lazgrane argument false.

 

[Aretheus]

@alidan But that's not nearly the big picture or even the most important picture. Your hypothalamus is literally everything with regards to your energy storage vs consumption.

Carbs cause insulin to generate which induces a state called brain starvation where your body has all the energy that it could need, but your brain doesn't know that. So it refuses to let you be active and burn fat.

Getting yourself into ketosis is important to start burning fat, but the faaaaar more important aspect is that you stimulate your sympathetic nervous system (fat loss, high energy) rather than your vagus nerve (fat gain, low energy).

Insulin is the hormone that causes all disease tied to obesity, and insulin production is intrinsically tied to your carb consumption. Also idk what you mean by artificial sweeteners being the same as sugar. Stevia, monk fruit sugar, aspartame, and erythritol have next to 0 impact on your blood sugar, which is literally the only thing I avoid sugar for.

@Hurokun idk what proof you want me to source. Go read "Fat Chance" by Robert Lustig if you want to learn more, I guess? Insulin causes leptin resistence. Octreotide has been used for years as a "last resort" kind of measure against morbid obesity because the drug limits the body's insulin production.

Also, I said moderate to high carb because the standard American diet consists of 48.7% carbs. I eat anywhere between 2500-3500 calories everyday (within a 4 hour feeding window and I've been a steady 145lbs for months now. If your hypothalamus is sending an anorexigenic signal to your body, it literally does not matter how much you eat. Your body will burn as much as it desires, and just make your feel stronger and more energetic as you eat more.

 

[zetsuravez]

now im really interested on this "udon" in a running water and bamboo(i dont know what they called it)... is that really tasty?..

 

[Wornstone]

I love comfy isekai grampa.

 

[Hurokun]

@Aretheus you actually have a source, good. (finally someone thats not talking pure bs)

still, your argument is putting all the fault on a body mechanism. the excess of insulin on the body may be the cause of the (most) cases of obesity, but what causes that imbalance of insulin hat is he problem. yes, you can treat that and the person will probably lose weight, but if you dont find the cause of hat imbalance that person will eventually get all he weight they lost or worse.

 

[Aretheus]

@Hurokun The problem is that these body mechanisms directly affect your behavior. When your body is in a brain starvation state, it stimulates the vagus nerve which causes hunger and lethargy. You feel you need to eat more and burn less. But the vagus nerve also causes more insulin production. It's a vicious cycle.

You may know about something called the keto flu. For the first 5 or so days of keto, almost everyone experiences headaches, shakiness, brain fog, exhaustion, etc. This is because you're still in brain starvation without satiating it with more carbs. But once your leptin signal starts working again, those symptoms go away and you lose those orexigenic inhibitions.

 

[Northern]

Elves using chopsticks 🤔

 

[Hurokun]

@Aretheus fair enough.

i still disagree on some of your points, mainly that a diet and exercise ( prescribed by someone who knows what they are doing) alone is not enough to maintain/lose weight.

but i understand your argument.

 

[Aretheus]

@Hurokun It's very hard for me to express how much of a revelation for my own life this shift in mindset really was. I went to university, away from home for the first time woefully unprepared and unmotivated. Flunked straight out while watching all of my friends living fulfilling lives. I became a recluse for a year and a half, while spiralling into depression over what a failure I was.

My world felt like the irl version of playing Silent Hill 2. I couldn't even make eye contact with people, and I was a 180lb fat slob.

I heard about the ketogenic diet and told myself "Okay, this can't keep going on. This is a small step, but I need to improve myself in any way that I can." So I threw myself into keto and looking back, it was like a switch got flipped in me.

I started learning to rollerblade, do Tai chi, archery, using the treadmill. I stopped feeling ashamed of myself. I could go outside and do shopping without fearing that someone would recognize me and start a conversation. I'm even back in a culinary school now pursuing my dreams again. And dropping 35lbs doesn't hurt either.

I didn't know the science behind it back then, but I'm certain now that keto saved my life. When I see characters here talking about spreading deserts and pasta to a culture like a good thing, I see British colonialists massacring native Americans.

 

[Risuma]

This chapter seems weird somehow...

 

[ThatOneJester]

So a racist elf, hidden underneath disdain of breaking tradition, hidden underneath fluffy festival prep by a cute elf girl.
Alrighty then, you can hide it all you want, I still give this chapter a lower rating mentally because of that crap.
You can't just change his mind at the end because he thought the food is tasty...
To think I waited 4 months for something like this...

 

[Rathendar]

Superior Japanese noodles folded 1000 times!

 

[EOTFOFYL]

@Rathendar

Overwhelmingly
glorious Nippon noodle
Will destroy your clothes.

 

[amlegend]

🤔is it me or does the elf village look like Konoha from Naruto ? XD specially the Hokage building ...
🤔

 

[alacaelum]

I really dont like this kind of event, these "cultural exchanges" seem more like people of the other world weren't even living before the "superior Japanese knowledge" arrived, and i know this is just me been petty and it is not like i expected anything different.

But i bet some point down the road they will start treating this recipe like some god sent and crucify anyone that tries to make otherwise... and japan really should read more DnD, manga elves are so absurdly lame, not that DnD one cant be absolute assholes (they are much of the time) but manga elves are so stupid and played just for gap moe.