@Sep10trion there's a huge difference between maple syrup and honey. The syrup came from the sap of maple trees. Honey came from nectars of flowers which honeybees harvest them and store it in honeycombs hives. Nevermind. There's honey in another world also
Jiisama ga Iku - Vol. 2 Ch. 8 - Old Man and the Child
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If you want more stories of old man cleaning up trash in another world I would recommend "Artorian's Archives"
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"It's about as annoying as the cooking trend in some these toons. "OMG! We never taught to think of using spices, salts, or even draining the blood of animals before cooking it! You are a genius! Oh no! The sole reason everyone gets sick after eating meat is because we never cleaned the meat before you the modern person from Japan showed us! OMG! we can drink milk from animals??"
This particularly bothers me, because salting meat and draining blood is amazingly old, probably being practiced by homo erectus and heidelbergensis. And there are indications that spices and flavoring were used by Neanderthals, early h. sapiens and possibly Denisovans hundreds of thousands of years ago. Sap for coatings and food was used in the Upper Paleolithic. Even soap predates the Neolithic.
That stuff is the basics of the basics, but somehow we're supposed to believe that iron-age cultures with metallurgy, glass and advanced architecture didn't know things that they did 100,000 years ago.
"It's about as annoying as the cooking trend in some these toons. "OMG! We never taught to think of using spices, salts, or even draining the blood of animals before cooking it! You are a genius! Oh no! The sole reason everyone gets sick after eating meat is because we never cleaned the meat before you the modern person from Japan showed us! OMG! we can drink milk from animals??"
This particularly bothers me, because salting meat and draining blood is amazingly old, probably being practiced by homo erectus and heidelbergensis. And there are indications that spices and flavoring were used by Neanderthals, early h. sapiens and possibly Denisovans hundreds of thousands of years ago. Sap for coatings and food was used in the Upper Paleolithic. Even soap predates the Neolithic.
That stuff is the basics of the basics, but somehow we're supposed to believe that iron-age cultures with metallurgy, glass and advanced architecture didn't know things that they did 100,000 years ago.
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I've never seen one where salt was a new thing. Though I've seen several where the MC was the first person to think of refridgeration in a world where its RELATIVELY simple with magic. Bleeding I've seen several times and it tends to seem more like people just thought 'blank' meat just tastes bad, you are only eating it because you are desperate anyway so why waste the time making it taste better.(Or its a VRMMO one and its more people thinking they can press a button and get good food but someone just cooks food like a sane person and starts a revolution of good food among the player base.) I've also seen various ones where spice was special.....but that actually DOES make sense. Because spice has been.....varied throughout history. Common people would have basically no spices but salt, there was a time period where everyone used very light spices and small portions, there was a time period where nobles used EXTREMELY HIGH amounts of spices on several meals because it was a show of monetary power to guests. In that kind of world some guy putting a good amount of spices on his food and serving it to anyone will get extremely popular if he makes it relatively cheap due to his cheats(or being a vrmmo player) makes getting spices simple since things like pepper were worth their weight or more in gold.
If there was something I find weird in these things it'd be more that in a lot of these people don't seem to understand the concept of bathing in hot water. Like even the nobles with bathtubs are using cold water or something rather then having servants heating water for their baths. Meanwhile the things they COMMONLY get wrong in these things are things like what foods are common for commoners or nobles. Fish used to be a commoner meal all the time since you could easily catch it and they weren't under a nobles authority like the game from his woods would be, a LOT of food that'd be considered expensive now were commoner food, meanwhile noble food is stuff we are used to now since it used more spices and meet like beef, lamb, and such actually graced their tables because they could afford to slaughter their animals for such more frequently then a commoner that NEEDS the income those generate up to death.
I've never seen one where salt was a new thing. Though I've seen several where the MC was the first person to think of refridgeration in a world where its RELATIVELY simple with magic. Bleeding I've seen several times and it tends to seem more like people just thought 'blank' meat just tastes bad, you are only eating it because you are desperate anyway so why waste the time making it taste better.(Or its a VRMMO one and its more people thinking they can press a button and get good food but someone just cooks food like a sane person and starts a revolution of good food among the player base.) I've also seen various ones where spice was special.....but that actually DOES make sense. Because spice has been.....varied throughout history. Common people would have basically no spices but salt, there was a time period where everyone used very light spices and small portions, there was a time period where nobles used EXTREMELY HIGH amounts of spices on several meals because it was a show of monetary power to guests. In that kind of world some guy putting a good amount of spices on his food and serving it to anyone will get extremely popular if he makes it relatively cheap due to his cheats(or being a vrmmo player) makes getting spices simple since things like pepper were worth their weight or more in gold.
If there was something I find weird in these things it'd be more that in a lot of these people don't seem to understand the concept of bathing in hot water. Like even the nobles with bathtubs are using cold water or something rather then having servants heating water for their baths. Meanwhile the things they COMMONLY get wrong in these things are things like what foods are common for commoners or nobles. Fish used to be a commoner meal all the time since you could easily catch it and they weren't under a nobles authority like the game from his woods would be, a LOT of food that'd be considered expensive now were commoner food, meanwhile noble food is stuff we are used to now since it used more spices and meet like beef, lamb, and such actually graced their tables because they could afford to slaughter their animals for such more frequently then a commoner that NEEDS the income those generate up to death.
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Thanks for the update!
@someunregpunk @Northern @Chaeden
Look, let's be honest here.
What are you guys here for?
Reading mangas for entertaining purposes, a temporary escape from a real-life problem or just to nitpick everything that any manga author like show in their art?
Sometimes we don't have the attention span to go search up the means of how things or etc work in real life or in the past.
I as well as any other manga readers have no interests in thinking the reasoning why this way or etc cant applied in that manga fiction world.
We simply read them when it has something interesting to show. Whatever genre we want to read.
Sure, if the author wants to showcase his or her country's culture and technological advance or info on how things or objects work in the manga format, then it is fine.
But why do you guys have the need to comment on this or that particular stuff that has nothing to do with the manga itself?
Look, let's be honest here.
What are you guys here for?
Reading mangas for entertaining purposes, a temporary escape from a real-life problem or just to nitpick everything that any manga author like show in their art?
Sometimes we don't have the attention span to go search up the means of how things or etc work in real life or in the past.
I as well as any other manga readers have no interests in thinking the reasoning why this way or etc cant applied in that manga fiction world.
We simply read them when it has something interesting to show. Whatever genre we want to read.
Sure, if the author wants to showcase his or her country's culture and technological advance or info on how things or objects work in the manga format, then it is fine.
But why do you guys have the need to comment on this or that particular stuff that has nothing to do with the manga itself?
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I think that Japanese culture and technology isn't properly shown when they try and show it like this. The fluffiness of the pancakes, and the purity of the - I forget where he got the syrup so I'm just going to re-read the entire story so far. But my thought on the matter is if they ignore the basics, its hard to see where the Japanese influence is. Its about as useful in the task of showing off Japan as nationalistic propaganda. Japan is BEST JAPAN. 👍
Edit: finished re-reading, the syrup shows up in this chapter. I was wondering if its from a tree, or a monster. Some stories have dungeon drops include the glass bottle...
I think that Japanese culture and technology isn't properly shown when they try and show it like this. The fluffiness of the pancakes, and the purity of the - I forget where he got the syrup so I'm just going to re-read the entire story so far. But my thought on the matter is if they ignore the basics, its hard to see where the Japanese influence is. Its about as useful in the task of showing off Japan as nationalistic propaganda. Japan is BEST JAPAN. 👍
Edit: finished re-reading, the syrup shows up in this chapter. I was wondering if its from a tree, or a monster. Some stories have dungeon drops include the glass bottle...
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The main thing so many people on this site fail to realize is that the manga is not marketed towards us, unless you are a Japanese that is. Every isekai manga without fail you would find comments about why the MC has to spread Japanese culture, why he prefers katana or inaccuracies about history, etc. The fact that there are so many isekai copies that used this template, it should be easy to conclude that this method of writing works for the Japanese audience that they are targeting. Isekai is largely about escaping reality, escaping real world, given how hectic and stressful the Japanese society and worklife is. And for people who wants to read these works to escape reality, do you think they care about the details whether your pottery exist in who knows what age or how this method of farming existed way before? Japanese culture is prevalent in the story simply because its a Japanese author writing for a Japanese audience, it would be easier to self-insert into a story with familiar elements to your daily life. People should just stick to discussing the quality of the art or story in terms of criticism.
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so is the bowl wood, ceramic or metal? Are they talking sealing the bowl, enameling a bowl or seasoning a pan?
@xEternalSoul Isekai is a great way to escape our lives like most entertainment. Though being pulled out of a bad life and put into a good one where you can make a positive impact is enjoyable.
@xEternalSoul Isekai is a great way to escape our lives like most entertainment. Though being pulled out of a bad life and put into a good one where you can make a positive impact is enjoyable.
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@xEternalSoul : You do realize how many trolls frequent these discussion threads, or people who have no clue as to how much of a work load Japanese culture puts on is citizens even in school. Your average US (junior) high school student simply does not have the frame of reference to understand the stress levels that the intended audience is under.
But Isekai is just a sub-genre of portal fantasy, which has existed for quite a while, and allot of the Japanese culture insertion aspects of isekai is common in portal fantasy in general with authors for any culture. Though the food/cooking porn idiocy (both the over reaction to the MC's food, and the blandness of the local dishes that are so common do not make sense) does seem to be much more common in isekai.
But Isekai is just a sub-genre of portal fantasy, which has existed for quite a while, and allot of the Japanese culture insertion aspects of isekai is common in portal fantasy in general with authors for any culture. Though the food/cooking porn idiocy (both the over reaction to the MC's food, and the blandness of the local dishes that are so common do not make sense) does seem to be much more common in isekai.
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