Jinrouki Winvurga

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@CuddleStruggle sorry HUH??? most obvious troll attempt ive ever seen in my life might as well have called my mom gay.

In case you're not kidding and are instead kinda lame pain in the brain brain:

1) No, that is not gender equality.

2) Mistreatment of women can instead be found in, i dont know, any news site, city, state, country, textbook, street, or, alternatively, throughout manga and any other form of fiction. Very prevalent actually. Also, m on f rape does not equal m on m violence regardless!!! But this was fun!
 
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1) Yes, it is. Gender equality is not when "I only want the good stuff that men can get, but none of the bad." It is when "I am willing to accept it all".
2) But women are clearly treated better than men on average, both in fiction and reality. It's called pussy pass.

There is a funny article about a female transition to a men, and trying to actually look and speak like one (facial hair, deeper voice, et.c.), so that people will think of her as such. And she could not handle the "male privilege", because she realized that everyone was treating her worse than before. Especially the way the police treated her after she transitioned - she is now afraid to even approach them. She experienced real gender equality.
 
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Be the change you want to see. Nobody is stopping you from drawing what you want and publishing it. Unlike western media, manga and anime don't discriminate because of gender, both in the professional and non professional sectors. Degenerates included. And you know damn well what female degenerates like to draw. Hint: it involves people doing things that make readers of manga like this one, very uncomfortable. Kinda like you are now.

You just wandered into the wrong neighborhood.
 
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LEMME JUUMP IN AND JUST START TALKIN RANDOM SHIT
@orb4eva don't generalize us pls
im more of a thighs man myself, yes over the years i've become more cultured
and i only read this cuz i like the art and mechs
since gundam Re Rise has been on an extended break i've somehow gotten into using this as my mech fix
a lot of this i don't really take this that seriously
like that one guy just goin HNNNGH and jizzing on Mashiro to "mark" her just seems real edgy and retarded to me
@cuddlestruggle i dunno man, dunno if thats even gender equality, if you go by anime/manga a lot of which jus treats wahmen as sex objects, seldom have depth. sometimes cute for the sake of being cute
while in other rare cases like Majutsu no Orphen the female is inherently a bad person but looks cute "acts cute" and never has to learn from her character flaws the way men in that scenario would be forced to, they are instead gifted power ups like a Deep Dragon's child which can over power any mage, i dunno Super saiyan 2 after learning about the existence of a super saiyan 2 hrs ago
-but like i said these are very rare
look at best girl Asuna from SAO an entire cour was dedicated to her being turned into a sex object s2 1st cour of SAO was all about ass shots of a girl with a flat ass, and in the end she nearly got raped
SAO very popular btw
DBZ all female characters practically exist to carry sperm for our big muscular saiyan daddies
Naruto similar thing, but the females are generally shit characters like Sakura stalking Sasuke b/c he's a talented hunk and calling it "love" eventually marrying the wanderer having a kid that she subjects to a life of single parenting for a decent portion of Boruto (i blame her b/c she knew of Sasuke's responsibilities but constantly pursued him until he acquiesced, partial responsibility on Sasuke for giving in though)
popular porn play into rape fetishes and just some real nasty shit
hentais in the partial words of Gigguk is evidently all about NTR rape and Ugly Bastards, good ol Vanilla romancing is a thing of the past
 
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Hmmmm a lot of 'random' posts about everything BUT the manga... why don't you open a thread in the forums to have your discussions and not here?

Ideally the moderators should move or delete some of the comments here as totally irrelevant...
 
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@MolaCola I think you are confusing females being minor characters vs them being treated badly. Minor male character without any importance are just killed, sometimes very brutally and very painfully. I think being something to gaze at is MUCH better than being a fodder that is simply there to be murdered.

As for females not being important characters: your examples about DBZ and Naruto are stories about boys/dudes fighting vs their rivals, targeted at teenage boys. There are plenty of mangas targeted at girls/women with female being the center of the story. But if you want example of female main roles targeted at male demographic, then I would recommend kill-la-kill. Or even Shadow Skill - if I still remember correctly the female was one of the strongest warrior and she had a lead role in the story (the whole series is named after her nickname). Also Black Lagoon, Slayers and probably many others that I forgot.

SAO - I don't know, never watch it. I did watch something similar called .hack//Sign, where the main character was a girl in real life (in the game she was controlling a boy mage).

And here is a really good one that I liked - Houseki no Kuni. Technically they don't have a gender, but they are definitely closer to females than to males (both in form and in personality).

And this manga (Jinrouki Winvurga) also give girls main roles. But it not only give them all of the glory, but it also give them all of the burden and hardships.
 
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@cuddlestruggle umm i just gave multiple examples of main female characters though
and my references to the following are not about females not being important characters
dot Hack was good ye
SAO is dirt never watch it
never watched that Houseki show, thats the one witht he CG right and one of the characters had like really sparkly green hair?
 
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@CuddleStruggle

1) Again, STILL no.., gender equality is about treating both genders with equal FAIRNESS. No one says "I'm for gender equality. Let's give men less rights and rape them!!"

2) You are either oblivious, blind, ignorant, oblivious, ignorant, blind, or fat shtoopid if you genuinely believe that. All you have to do is a quick google search to learn about why you are incredibly and unequivocally incorrect cutie!!

Again, how terribly men treat each other has nothing to do with my statement! And that sure is a funny article!! Unfortunately as a trans person, he is bound to experience even more hardships, and i also severely doubt his statement. And try to widen your scope to further than your own country, thank you.
 
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@Isekaijin i agree with you on most fronts!! there are still absolutely some degenerate manga that im lk ashamed to admit i like lmao but it just gets frustrating and feels gross sometimes. but i am going to have to disagree with you on the "no gender discrimination" in manga and anime. after all, sexism is a big issue in japan.
 
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1) Except fairness comes from balance between authority and responsibility. It's not only "I am allowed to do the same X as gender Y", it is also "I am obligated to fulfill my duty Z to have a right to do X". Men rights did not appear out of thin air - they are the result of the burden that they have been carrying for millennia (like a duty to defend his community with his life).
2) I google the gender sentencing gap and it proved me correct. Women on average get less punishment for the same crime that men do.

Gender equality is equal treatment of genders.
 
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@orb4eva
Disagree. It might affect VAs, and even then, it's heavily skewed towards preferring women, but it definitely doesn't affect mangaka. Look at Rumiko Takahashi, she's one of the richest mangaka of Japan, with multiple great hits, which is something no other mangaka can boast about. Popular shounen like Fullmetal Alchemist or Magi were penned by women. Most shoujo mangaka are female, and you'd be hard pressed to say shoujo is a niche genre. And that also goes for trashy genres like isekai, which spawned otome isekai, which is just as bad and just as popular, judging by Bakarina's success. Anime is no different either, since there are some big names there like Mari Okada, though my expertise is no good there. In this media only talent matters. I never stopped to check the mangaka's gender before reading a new series, and I hope you didn't either.

Do notice that manga and anime are considered to be niche hobbies there to begin with. Something to be ashamed of, if you like them past a certain age, unlike the West and videogames, and thus, they lack the West's pathological need to pander to every demographic. At the very least, I had many female otaku friends and they never complained about "not feeling represented". Though if your thing is having men being tortured and humiliated just because of their gender, you might feel yourself a little underrepresented there. And even then, I'm pretty sure there are some manga out there that suit your particular tastes. At the very least I know there are doujins that show exactly that.

I'll repeat myself, you're doing the equivalent of someone whining about homosexuality in the comment section of a hardcore BL manga. Just stop reading, mark it as dropped and leave.
 
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Well, I think it's enough to read here. I thought that the mecha scene was very exciting, but after I read the raw version I was a little disappointed. Why? well there were too many raping scenes so I was disgusted by that.

But it depends on other readers. If the reader wants to continue, well go ahead. Everyone does have different tastes.

Ah and I thought there was a Yuri scene, but it turned out that the prediction was off the mark, lol
 
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1) Except that no sane person thinks about fairness in that sense. You lack fundamental understanding. It is not a "well if women want to be equal we should be able to hit them!" case, it is "No one should hit ANYONE and we want to solve this disproportionate abuse and sexual assault faced by women systematically." If you believe that men experience unfair treatment, maybe you should try to facilitate those discussions outside of pushing down women's movements. Which, frankly, im interested in if you want to have a private conversation.

And it is not about men "earning" rights. They are called RIGHTS because each individual should be entitled to them regardless of their gender or any other inoffensive circumstance. The issue is where a group of people seeks to suppress others' rights on the basis of gender, race, orientation, you get the memo.

2) Consider that in any case that singular scenario does not negate the years of oppression faced by women worldwide. And also consider that you should always look for potential reasons behind statistics. For example, the law is NOT meant to look at a case separate from circumstance. Factors that possibly contribute to women receiving a lighter sentence: Being the sole caretaker of a child, Being coerced into the illegal activity, Suffering abuse or trauma, etc.

But again, if you believe that this is an issue that needs to be addressed, address it. But do not simply mention it as a way to say women are somehow NOT oppressed, because the argument does not follow. And if men are being discriminated against by other men in the judicial system (vast majority of judges ARE male), then, again, this is not an instance of gender discrimination by women.
 
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@Isekaijin i had thought you were referring to the content itself. I do not claim to be knowledgeable about the inner workings of mangaka or whatever, but there is sexism in japan, and sexism in its media. And your "female otaku friends" have undoubtedly been annoyed at some point by the misogyny showcased in popular anime/manga/its culture. And if you believe that a comment showcasing annoyance at the prevalence of rape/sexual abuse as cheap entertainment is equal to a homophobic comment, somethings wrong with you. And your complaining at my complaining makes you absolutely no better at all. Follow your own advice, read the comment, and move on over honey.

And you also said a whole bunch of things that mean absolutely nothing to me, the argument, or common sense. If the market consists of a demographic that wants to be represented, and theyre represented, thats not pandering, thats the market. Or really, any entertainment whatsoever should be pandering if they want to make money.
 
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1) "never hitting anyone" - seems like a fairy tail to me. And btw, men treat each other that way not because they are men, but because they simply don't want anything to do with each other. They would also treat the same way any alien species that they have zero sexual attraction towards (should we ever encounter one). It is just a default gender-less treatment. Treating women nicely is NOT default. It is a special treatment given to a potential female partner.

2) I am not saying that women were not oppressed. I am saying that the oppression that women faced through history is like playing tutorial mode in some game when compared to oppression that men have faced. Here is a typical example: there is a war, one side looses. Do you know what happened to the men and their boys? They are simply murdered in a lot of cases. Women and their daughters? Getting taken as wives and sex slaves.

And a note about negating historical oppression: in modern times women have killed more children than all modern wars combined - 40-50 millions babies aborted per year (according to World Health Organization). Nice going there women. I wonder how many centuries men will have to rape them from now on to negate the amount of innocent souls that where denied a chance to live (do babies have a right to live btw? You seem to be a fan of RIGHTS).
 
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@CuddleStruggle Again, do you want to have a private conversation? It'd really be more you receiving free education from me since your views are so narrow-minded. Basically, what you have said is you and the rest of the male population do not act with basic respect unless you want something from someone. Unfortunately, you should be sad to know that most good men simply do not agree with you. Didn't you learn the golden rule in kindergarten? And no one SHOULD assault anyone. No one should murder anyone, no one should commit obviously wrong acts. That is, of course, why we have laws. If you think that should be ARGUED that's an issue with your moral compass. (also fairy tale you weeb loser lmao) And pay attention to "men treat each other that way not because they are men" because thats where your misunderstanding lies. Men are not oppressed purely because of their gender, unlike women. That does not mean men do not go through hardships, but that being a MAN does not greatly contribute to those hardships. Do not speak of female oppression in the past tense. Gender discrimination happens in many forms worldwide everyday.

Also, again, your opinion is the minority. PLEASE read more history. Please talk to real life actual people. Please talk to real life women. In wars fueled by greed historically started by men, supported by men and fought for by men, yeah, a lot of men die. And sorry, i don't see how the rape, sex slavery, and yes, STILL murder of women in these wars somehow fuels your argument.

You have equated the rape of an innocent woman to the termination of a clump of cells that can neither think or act, like yourself apparently. And the troll there is too obvious wimpy baby boy

I will continue to answer, potentially privately, because it's quarantine and ihave nothing better to do, but i HOPE that you do not genuinely believe these ideas of yours irl and this is a joke.
 
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@orb4eva It seems you do not understand life itself. Almost all living things evolved because of competition. Taking resources from other by force is not even male specific - it is life specific. And women do that to btw - all those divorce cases, when they pillage things (with help of the goverment) that men have earned , while women contributed almost nothing to all that wealth, but feel entitled to it simply because they lived together. The only reason why females do not do that in natural environment (without the goverment) is because they are weak, and because they are weak they are forced to be nice. But the true virtue of being nice to others is when you do that not because you are forced, but because you simply want to.

It does fuel my argument, because being dead is a lot worse then simply having some sex. I also do not understand why it even matters if it was started by other men. It still is oppression. And if you do not understand that then here is a hint: replace "men" in your argument with wolves, bears or tigers (when humanity did not learn fire yet), and men still have to face oppression of survival, while women were protected from it by men. Men had it A LOT worse then women.

So, if you become unconscious it is ok to murder you? You cannot act or think during that period of time. And babies will learn to think or act given enough time, just like people can recover from being unconscious given enough time. You did not answer my question btw - do babies have a right to live? I legitimately interested in that answer. And 0-1 year old babies are also incapable of any intelligent thoughts, so factor that in. They probably do not even have a concept of self and that is probably the reason why most people have no memories of that period.
 
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@CuddleStruggle You. Are. Wrong. It isn't even fun to respond anymore, just sad. It is barely opinion based at this point, you are simply willfully ignorant of history or basic comprehension. Humans HAVE evolved. If you want to believe that humans/men are at the same cognitive ability as literal wild primal beasts, you simply don't give humanity enough credit. Women are not "forced" to be nice. It is GOOD to be nice. If you want to talk "instinct" humans are naturally social, COOPERATIVE creatures.

And no, it doesn't. Because arguably a lot of women would MUCH prefer a death signed up for rather than forced RAPE. I personally would much rather die than be raped. But maybe your butthole's fat and loose from all the forced bit of sex im sure you enjoy i dont know you. And I KNOW you didn't bring up RAPE as a privilege considering it happens every single day as a result of SEXISM, NOT war. And did you ignore the part where the women were killed too? Hm, murder, vs violent rape and then murder. Hm. Those women didn't even have to be in wartime they could have just been raped by the lovely men at home anyways. (and the women were INNOCENT. not the military) And sexual slavery is hardly a life, much much less a privilege.

There are a lot of reasons some men might be oppressed. Race, sexuality, and wealth are examples. GENDER is not. Women do not have some sort of privilege over men, just because you you are incapable of comprehending the struggles women face for simply being female and believe that any hardship a man faces means oppression. Women being "protected from it" by men? Don't make me laugh. You are no caveman hero im sorry. And theres a difference between "protecting" and forcing specific submissive standards onto a gender for your own personal gain, greed, and power fetish.

If you want to completely ignore history that's fine too. It is undeniable that women TODAY are being oppressed in patriarchal societies.

Just say you're sexist and go.

And it's still irrelevant but sure ill humor you. I didn't answer your question because it is not equal lmao. Babies ARE capable of pain and feeling dumb dumb. A clump of cells is NOT. If you believe "oh its the potential for a human life" then stop jacking off you murderer. Your poor little spermies :,( . And you forget that people on life support who are incapable of thinking (in a vegetative state) literally do get the plug pulled lmao. Though their life STILL has more value than the lack of intelligent life within that clump of cells. Let's not value those cells over the life of the mother, though with your sexist self that must be hard :( If its about competition those cells lost the fight :(


none of this is new info and can easily be found with quick google searches! or, again, talking to a woman or sane person <3 still open to that private convo!

edit: might have lied its still kinda fun
 
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@orb4eva I don't see things changing fundamentally. Cooperation is limited to common goals/values and power balance. If you have little in common and one side is significantly stronger then the other side then conflict of interest is likely to be resolved by strength. I mean, just look at all those riots and looting in US - power rules the day. There is a good reason why BLM symbol is a fist (representing power over dialogue).

Women can easily kill themselves if they really prefer death. Most of them don't (like why are all those me2 victims still alive?). I did ignore the part about women being killed too, because the amount of women being killed is significantly less than men. There was a study about genders passing on their genes - "More women than men have added their DNA to the human gene pool", heavily confirming this. Because no one in their sane mind would kill women when they need more children for their army and larger society in general.

About privilege. Look up the video called "How Can She Slap". I have seen the same reaction several times in my life. First time it was in school, when some girl physically assaulted me, I fought back and did the same thing to her, and everyone was against me. Teachers, boys, girls, EVERYONE. It was a red pill moment. There is even a funny advice, that if you are trying to fight back against a women who attacks you - make sure that you immediately do 180 degree turn and punch with all of your force backwards. Because it is pretty much guaranteed that there is going to be some whiteknight approaching your back to try to attack you.

There is no potential of life in jacking off - no life will ever get born no matter how many times you do it, while baby in a womb WILL get born if you do not specifically act to murder it. And about people in veggie state - they are "pulled the plug" after a long period of time, when there is no hope in sight. But most babies will get born if you do not actively try to murder them. I also find it ironic how a person who is like "RIGHTS for everyone", "everyone should be treated fairly" and "we should not attack each other" are now trying to argue how your intelligence and ability to feel things is a good enough reason to murder you, and how different lives have different value - if yours happen to be low right now, it is ok to murder you. And it also the same person who talks about how good it is being nice.

"When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other." (C) Jocker
 
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Yes, you, and a lot of other war-obsessed weirdos, have a power fetish. Strength and power SHOULD be utilized only when peaceful negotiations don't work. Just because tyrants and inhumane groups of people have exploited power to systematically oppress and dehumanize groups of people does not mean it was the moral thing to do? The Black Lives Matter movement has tried and is currently trying to peacefully create change. The riots are not the majority. And if the "stronger" side always wins and peace and kindness are not useable or negotiable, the military would have stamped out the movement. But thankfully, good people sympathize and protest with the movement and refuse to stand with injustice. Unlike the stereotypical american war fanboys' point of view, war should be a last resort.

As humans, we all have enough in common. And you forget that there is power and strength in non-literal power and strength. Don't speak as if protests, the spread of knowledge, and peaceful negotiations and publications have not done a lot for this country already.

Also omg wow king youre right not every abuse/rape survivors kills herself!! It's only a third of the victims that are suicidal. Half of the women who have attempted suicide have been reportedly sexually abused. I can assume that this statistic is less than the actual percentage because of the lack of reports, and how prominent sexual abuse still is today.

Additionally, that girl should not have hit you. That is true in ANY scenario. However, if that's something that's happening to you often, maybe you are the escalator? Just a thought. In any case, that's STILL not meaningful privilege at all. No one who advocates for women's rights is advocating for the ability to hit men.

And still, again, none of this negates female oppression and patriarchal oppression?? When men suffer because of toxic masculinity and gender roles, that is STILL a result of the patriarchy. If you actually want to make a change you should be fighting to change it, not demeaning the activists and proponents of change. Unless you want women to take up arms and revolt? Is a power struggle necessary to you rather than affording basic humanity and respect? Nothing you're saying about men dying in war or otherwise has anything to do with oppression against men on the basis of gender. And, again, even if men WERE oppressed on the basis of gender (keep in mind, they are not) it would still not negate female oppression, and therefore women's rights should and would still be advocated for, and not demeaned or silenced.

You are never certain that the clump of cells will become a baby. It is only potential for a human life, but also the potential for a miscarriage or stillborn. You CAN however be certain that the pregnancy or potential subsequent birth will negatively impact or harm the mother. But you don't care about her rights. The clump of cells does NOT have rights and is not a person. Embryos die all the time; should they be included in any death count? Any of your sperm has the potential to fertilize an egg and become a baby. But sperm are not babies. A fertilized egg is not a baby. A baby is, shockingly, a baby. Anything you want to say about anti-abortion has been said and refuted a billion times. for god's sake. just search it up it is easily accessible. It is not your decision as you are clearly not a woman with a fertilized egg. About this abortion argument, are you just bringing up any controversial topic for fun? I don't particularly care we can argue gay rights too.

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I don't know if I've covered all of what you've said. There is a lot more to say, of course, but please do your own research on female oppression if you want to be a more empathetic and well-informed person. None of your arguments are new, and neither are my counters. Still open to a private discussion.
 

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