Juunenme, Kikan wo Akirameta Tenisha wa Imasara Shujinkou ni naru - Ch. 13 - Matiko and the dungeon town
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I agree with the guy, if you've got a golden goose then why kill it?
Now the people who were depending on the industry will be out of a job, no more adventurers will come to the city for the profits of the dungeon which in turn will kill all businesses.
They should give the sparkling potion formula as a sort of apology for effectively killing the economy of an entire city.
Now the people who were depending on the industry will be out of a job, no more adventurers will come to the city for the profits of the dungeon which in turn will kill all businesses.
They should give the sparkling potion formula as a sort of apology for effectively killing the economy of an entire city.
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Because it's a violent goose that regularly kills the handlers and may break out of confinement any minute?
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just lmao if anyone ever believed this, especially in year 2024
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The sunk cost is strong with this dude. They actually forgot that he pushed forward because he intended to attract more adventurers into the town not only for profits but most importantly, to keep the town safe and eventually attract an adventurer strong enough to conquer the dungeon.
It's funny that this got object got distorted down the road, and they even resulted to harassment measures trying to stop the proliferation of a new type of potion (which should be helping to ensure adventurers' survivability) just so the dungeon (which is this old dude's "sworn enemy") can continue to exist.
His values and virtues in life is probably convoluted now. He is trying to mask his grief of losing his wife with his enterprising ventures in the guise of exploiting 'the thing which took everything away from him'. Though I have to say, now that it is gone, he is probably also being desperate to keep the town alive, because after all, this drive is what led to his wife's death. - too much price has been paid for this town (i.e. sunk cost).
It's funny that this got object got distorted down the road, and they even resulted to harassment measures trying to stop the proliferation of a new type of potion (which should be helping to ensure adventurers' survivability) just so the dungeon (which is this old dude's "sworn enemy") can continue to exist.
His values and virtues in life is probably convoluted now. He is trying to mask his grief of losing his wife with his enterprising ventures in the guise of exploiting 'the thing which took everything away from him'. Though I have to say, now that it is gone, he is probably also being desperate to keep the town alive, because after all, this drive is what led to his wife's death. - too much price has been paid for this town (i.e. sunk cost).
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Eat the rich. Especially this prick.
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Seems like he is using his wife's death and son as a way to try to maintain control and wealth that he thinks he deserves from trying to save the city from the dungeon, but ended up liking the dungeon because it enriched him regardless of all the dead adventurers.
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Alright, so probably a bit of a hot take, but I’m not seeing this him trying to make excuses for being a greedy capitalist shithead, but more of a genuine mental break.
To be more specific, I think he was definitely genuine in his goal of helping the town survive and grow after the first attack, not out of greed but genuine love of the town, and all the memories he’d created there.
The second one is clearly what changed everything for him, but I still don’t think the motivation is as simple as just wealth or greed or all that for him. It doesn’t seem like his wife tried to argue with him about staying in the town after the dungeon appeared, and seems to have approved of his aim to restore the town. This is why, when the second attack led to her death, he feels that it is entirely his own fault, and that if he’d just left the first time like everyone else planned to, she would still be alive.
Instead of making the probably smartest decision however, which would be to abandon the town with his son and go somewhere safe, the absolute misery and grief from her death coupled with the knowledge that it was largely his fault in the first place broke him, which isn’t uncommon in the real world. And, like people also tend to do in similar situations in real life, he ended up trying to rationalise it, desperately searching for some sort of reason or meaning, because accepting that his wife had died a meaningless, avoidable death for no reason whatsoever would completely destroy him beyond repair. So instead, he doubled, tripled and quadrupled down, pouring everything he had into his goals in growing the town and making it better and better, so that even though his wife had died, it hadn’t been for nothing. The town genuinely was happy and thriving after all, and his warped thought process clung to that fact to show that it wasn’t the wrong choice, that the decision to stay there really had meant something in the end.
As for his son, well, despite believing he needed the dungeon to keep the town alive, I doubt he’d be all too into the idea about potentially losing his son to the dungeon that had already taken his wife, so he tries to discourage him from it by making it too difficult to get the necessary equipment, hoping it’ll eventually make him give up.
Anyway, just to be clear, not saying I agree with any of this hypothetical reasoning I’ve listed here, I’m just trying to play devils advocate and dig into what I was getting from his story and behaviour. I also don’t know if I argued the points I was trying to make particularly well, because as clear as they are in my head, they tend to get pretty messy and jumbled up when I try to put them into words. I’m hoping I at least sort of managed to convey what I was trying to though, that he’s not just your average evil rich guy only motivated by greed, but a miserable old man, broken by the guilt of his greatest mistake and desperately trying to prove to himself that it wasn’t completely meaningless.
To be more specific, I think he was definitely genuine in his goal of helping the town survive and grow after the first attack, not out of greed but genuine love of the town, and all the memories he’d created there.
The second one is clearly what changed everything for him, but I still don’t think the motivation is as simple as just wealth or greed or all that for him. It doesn’t seem like his wife tried to argue with him about staying in the town after the dungeon appeared, and seems to have approved of his aim to restore the town. This is why, when the second attack led to her death, he feels that it is entirely his own fault, and that if he’d just left the first time like everyone else planned to, she would still be alive.
Instead of making the probably smartest decision however, which would be to abandon the town with his son and go somewhere safe, the absolute misery and grief from her death coupled with the knowledge that it was largely his fault in the first place broke him, which isn’t uncommon in the real world. And, like people also tend to do in similar situations in real life, he ended up trying to rationalise it, desperately searching for some sort of reason or meaning, because accepting that his wife had died a meaningless, avoidable death for no reason whatsoever would completely destroy him beyond repair. So instead, he doubled, tripled and quadrupled down, pouring everything he had into his goals in growing the town and making it better and better, so that even though his wife had died, it hadn’t been for nothing. The town genuinely was happy and thriving after all, and his warped thought process clung to that fact to show that it wasn’t the wrong choice, that the decision to stay there really had meant something in the end.
As for his son, well, despite believing he needed the dungeon to keep the town alive, I doubt he’d be all too into the idea about potentially losing his son to the dungeon that had already taken his wife, so he tries to discourage him from it by making it too difficult to get the necessary equipment, hoping it’ll eventually make him give up.
Anyway, just to be clear, not saying I agree with any of this hypothetical reasoning I’ve listed here, I’m just trying to play devils advocate and dig into what I was getting from his story and behaviour. I also don’t know if I argued the points I was trying to make particularly well, because as clear as they are in my head, they tend to get pretty messy and jumbled up when I try to put them into words. I’m hoping I at least sort of managed to convey what I was trying to though, that he’s not just your average evil rich guy only motivated by greed, but a miserable old man, broken by the guilt of his greatest mistake and desperately trying to prove to himself that it wasn’t completely meaningless.
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Even if I accept everything; their profits came from adventurers, so they have an obligation to take care of the adventurers, so by banning the sale of the potion they were failing in their moral obligations. He has no moral ground to make twist anyone's arm.
I really hope they don't pull a classic 'good guy' BS move and give him what he wants.
If the potion could help revitalise the town, then establish the manufacturing there themselves, why should that A-hole be the one to own the rights?
I really hope they don't pull a classic 'good guy' BS move and give him what he wants.
If the potion could help revitalise the town, then establish the manufacturing there themselves, why should that A-hole be the one to own the rights?
did you forget the dungeon boss on previous chapters? that thing can only be killed by our S rank MC. if another breakout happened and this overpowered boss came out the whole town is finished and possibly few other town nearby. his plan on growing the golden goose is doomed from the start when the goose actually death in disguise.
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Ah.... The mandatory sob story to "explain" any and all outrageous acts and demands...
As mentioned in the past chapter, the dungeon monsters still reproduce normally within the now-sealed Dungeon. It just doesn't spawn any new and more dangerous monsters anymore.
Properly managed it can still generate plenty of materials, same as any natural resource, <em>without</em> running the risk of a monster breakout.
Lower level of economy than an "active" Dungeon, but nowhere near the "The City Will Disappear!!" level of idiocy dude's trying the MC to guilt-trip in.
Hell, with the dungeon sealed and the area a lot safer, peeps can actually start using the surrounding area and create a real local economy, instead of betting on the one horse that will eventually turn into a raging dragon..
As mentioned in the past chapter, the dungeon monsters still reproduce normally within the now-sealed Dungeon. It just doesn't spawn any new and more dangerous monsters anymore.
Properly managed it can still generate plenty of materials, same as any natural resource, <em>without</em> running the risk of a monster breakout.
Lower level of economy than an "active" Dungeon, but nowhere near the "The City Will Disappear!!" level of idiocy dude's trying the MC to guilt-trip in.
Hell, with the dungeon sealed and the area a lot safer, peeps can actually start using the surrounding area and create a real local economy, instead of betting on the one horse that will eventually turn into a raging dragon..
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Fixed, thanks!
I've ran out of proofreaders.
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but here is the thing the golden goose has a plague inside it and it will come out any day so the risk is not worth it
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Man for someone claiming to be businessman, he sure does has narrowed mind for business venture.
Not really? The guy is saying that without the main source of commerce, people aren't going to come and whatever the primary source was before the dungeon appeared, all the people responsible for it are gone.
Like, it's been thirty years-- all that remains of the original inhabitants are probably people related to the merchant guild, and there doesn't seem to be an agricultural industry in town to support its size. At this point however, the town has been Ship of Thesseus'd and doesn't really exist in the form he was trying to protect
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