Kagurabachi - Ch. 77 - No Longer Relevant

[MangaDex]

 

[brndndss]

ha ha suck it hiruhiko. crying like baby cause the guys with way more experience outplayed him

 

[DracoKazenare]

Hiruhiko can't stop losing!!!

 

[Ignore]

Last week I played devil's advocate and tried to come up with a theory that Hiruhiko was trusted with the sword because the baddies knew he would run away if things got bad. Nah. He was just a nepo baby.

 

[Takuma_Aki]

That's a satisfying end for Hiruhiko.

But... Samura is getting into the realm of undefeatable now...
How would Chihiro get out of this?

 

[Takuma_Aki]

Last week I played devil's advocate and tried to come up with a theory that Hiruhiko was trusted with the sword because the baddies knew he would run away if things got bad. Nah. He was just a nepo baby.

IIRC, I think they didn't care that much and they're attacking the Kamunabi HQ if I'm not wrong?

So, more like, they know Hiruhiko will be good enough to cause a ruckus and buy them enough time to execute their plan, and if Hiruhiko wins, that's a bonus. After all, the one sword that matter is the... I forgot the name, but the one that the bearer is locked inside the HQ. If they can kill the bearer and activate the sword, they win the war.

 

[HououinHelios]

IIRC, I think they didn't care that much and they're attacking the Kamunabi HQ if I'm not wrong?

So, more like, they know Hiruhiko will be good enough to cause a ruckus and buy them enough time to execute their plan, and if Hiruhiko wins, that's a bonus. After all, the one sword that matter is the... I forgot the name, but the one that the bearer is locked inside the HQ. If they can kill the bearer and activate the sword, they win the war.

What if their intention is not to kill him but to free him, and all this was a ruse to accomplish that?
Edit: I forgot that they were going for the sword, not the sword master (unless they are in the same facility)

 

[Ignore]

What if their intention is not to kill him but to free him, and all this was a ruse to accomplish that?
Edit: I forgot that they were going for the sword, not the sword master (unless they are in the same facility)

Interesting possibility!

 

[Ignore]

IIRC, I think they didn't care that much and they're attacking the Kamunabi HQ if I'm not wrong?

So, more like, they know Hiruhiko will be good enough to cause a ruckus and buy them enough time to execute their plan, and if Hiruhiko wins, that's a bonus. After all, the one sword that matter is the... I forgot the name, but the one that the bearer is locked inside the HQ. If they can kill the bearer and activate the sword, they win the war.

That might very well be what they are after, and, if so, it's what the author considers a cunning plan. I think sword bearers can't use sorcery; if so they wouldn't want to give it to anyone with a valuable ability. However, I can't figure out how the ruckus helps them. They've distracted Samura, but Samura is only dangerous to them because they gave him a sword. Their sorcerers seemed strong enough to force Chihiro into using his enchanted blade (which triggers an automatic attack by Samura) so no need to waste resources on the Chihiro front. The ruckus has also drawn Samura's attention to the whole daughter situation if mishandled could make Samura decide to ditch the plan...

 

[Takuma_Aki]

What if their intention is not to kill him but to free him, and all this was a ruse to accomplish that?
Edit: I forgot that they were going for the sword, not the sword master (unless they are in the same facility)

Same difference to me whichever way it is. Hiruhiko and Kumeyuri are just their pawns. Whether the King they're aiming at be the sword or the master, they're sacrificing these two pawns to try to take the king; and if they succeed, that's game set for them.

 

[Takuma_Aki]

That might very well be what they are after, and, if so, it's what the author considers a cunning plan. I think sword bearers can't use sorcery; if so they wouldn't want to give it to anyone with a valuable ability. However, I can't figure out how the ruckus helps them. They've distracted Samura, but Samura is only dangerous to them because they gave him a sword. Their sorcerers seemed strong enough to force Chihiro into using his enchanted blade (which triggers an automatic attack by Samura) so no need to waste resources on the Chihiro front. The ruckus has also drawn Samura's attention to the whole daughter situation if mishandled could make Samura decide to ditch the plan...

They don't seem to see Kamunabi as much of an obstacle to begin with. Samura seems to be who they're wary. Like, Kamunabi is under their calculation at every step of the way so far and they do what they please under Kamunabi's nose. As soon as Samura is on the offense though, they immediately lay low and start pulling schemes.

Also I'm not sure about how many of their sorcerers are capable of forcing Chihiro to draw enchanted blade. In the beginning, yes, there probably be a lot among their ranks; right now, I'm not sure how many, and particularly how many they are comfortable to spare here while they're about to attack HQ. Hiruhiko though, is a crazy bastard they can expect to pull something like this off, while on the other hand, might not be as useful on attacking the HQ, especially if he isn't allow to use enchanted blade. So he's the perfect sacrificial pawn here (note that the other two sorcerers barely do anything. The sword fanatic disappeared for a while, while the sorceress mainly stayed out of it). And I think the daughter situation is exactly what will get Samura in a bind long enough he can't come to interfere their attack on HQ (Although, the fact he teleport to Chihiro in an instant kinda throw a wrench in that, but it can still be hand wave away with some condition why he can't do the same and teleport to the HQ)

 

[AnonymousContributor]

Bro thought he'd be an endgame villain! He mad!

 

[Redsaint]

meh Every week been a fakeout, so I’m expecting hiruhiko to somehow escape with his life/sword.
im assuming his partner will save him, since she hasn't showed her abilities.

 

[D3f4lt]

By now one would think the brain damaged buddy whose name I forgot would return in some way or shape to help chihiro, seemingly it's not the case just yet

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

They don't seem to see Kamunabi as much of an obstacle to begin with. Samura seems to be who they're wary. Like, Kamunabi is under their calculation at every step of the way so far and they do what they please under Kamunabi's nose. As soon as Samura is on the offense though, they immediately lay low and start pulling schemes.

Also I'm not sure about how many of their sorcerers are capable of forcing Chihiro to draw enchanted blade. In the beginning, yes, there probably be a lot among their ranks; right now, I'm not sure how many, and particularly how many they are comfortable to spare here while they're about to attack HQ. Hiruhiko though, is a crazy bastard they can expect to pull something like this off, while on the other hand, might not be as useful on attacking the HQ, especially if he isn't allow to use enchanted blade. So he's the perfect sacrificial pawn here (note that the other two sorcerers barely do anything. The sword fanatic disappeared for a while, while the sorceress mainly stayed out of it). And I think the daughter situation is exactly what will get Samura in a bind long enough he can't come to interfere their attack on HQ (Although, the fact he teleport to Chihiro in an instant kinda throw a wrench in that, but it can still be hand wave away with some condition why he can't do the same and teleport to the HQ)

I don't think the Kamumabi are that weak as to be irrelevant to their plans. That one sorcerer alone that uses jumps and kicks seems on par with an inexperienced blade user, and they have like a dozen of those. If the Hishaku are confident taking on that kind of power, then why didn't they just attack the temple where the genocidal sword master is kept? Surely the sword is at least as well guarded now. Could they not find the guy?

 

[fight2live]

umm, excuse me? Mr. Samura, sir? that bitch Hiruhiko is still talking. can you spare a second or two to separate his head from his body? just to make sure?

 

[Takuma_Aki]

I don't think the Kamumabi are that weak as to be irrelevant to their plans. That one sorcerer alone that uses jumps and kicks seems on par with an inexperienced blade user, and they have like a dozen of those. If the Hishaku are confident taking on that kind of power, then why didn't they just attack the temple where the genocidal sword master is kept? Surely the sword is at least as well guarded now. Could they not find the guy?

I didn't meant Kamunabi was weak, but more like Hishaku had a well thought out plan on how to deal with the Kamunabi. Hishaku doesn't have the power to overwhelm Kamunabi whenever they want, but more like they read Kamunabi like a book, be it through spies or whatever. They had always need to execute the plan well, just like how they pulled everything off so far. What I propose here is that Samura is the wrench they don't want to be involved when they execute their plan.
The sword master is kept in the HQ, if I'm not wrong. As for the sword, I sort of forgot who has it right now, also Kamunabi? If that's the case, maybe they don't want the sword master dead, but just give him the sword? Whatever the case, they have their grand plan that works out well so far and they're executing it.

My point from the start was to point out that Hiruhiko probably isn't the Nepo baby as he seems at first, but just a special sacrificial lamb save for the occasion though.

 

[Saybah]

Is it over for the genius sword boy

 

[Ignore]

I didn't meant Kamunabi was weak, but more like Hishaku had a well thought out plan on how to deal with the Kamunabi. Hishaku doesn't have the power to overwhelm Kamunabi whenever they want, but more like they read Kamunabi like a book, be it through spies or whatever. They had always need to execute the plan well, just like how they pulled everything off so far. What I propose here is that Samura is the wrench they don't want to be involved when they execute their plan.
The sword master is kept in the HQ, if I'm not wrong. As for the sword, I sort of forgot who has it right now, also Kamunabi? If that's the case, maybe they don't want the sword master dead, but just give him the sword? Whatever the case, they have their grand plan that works out well so far and they're executing it.

My point from the start was to point out that Hiruhiko probably isn't the Nepo baby as he seems at first, but just a special sacrificial lamb save for the occasion though.

Sold on Hiruhiko being a great sacrificial pawn and all. The nepo baby thing is more about how they waste resources to indulge his whims.

Bigger question I've got is why they need to sacrifice a pawn to distract and antagonize Samura now? If they didn't need Samura on their side at all, no need to give his sword to him. If they needed Samura to stay out of the way until late in the plan, they could have just held on to his sword for longer. If they need Samura early, hold on to Hiruhiko's sword.

 

[Takuma_Aki]

Bigger question I've got is why they need to sacrifice a pawn to distract and antagonize Samura now? If they didn't need Samura on their side at all, no need to give his sword to him. If they needed Samura to stay out of the way until late in the plan, they could have just held on to his sword for longer. If they need Samura early, hold on to Hiruhiko's sword.

Now I can't remember this clearly anymore, but it was that pocket dimension kid pulling Samura's sword out of Hishaku's back pocket and gave it to him hoping to turn the tide when the Hishaku were hunting sword bearers, wasn't it?

Can't remember if after that Hishaku said this was part of their plan or not though; but I'd assume this is not in their calculation that another user of the pocket dimension will appear and side with Kamunabi?