Kajiya de Hajimeru Isekai Slow Life - Vol. 4 Ch. 18

[Antinomy]

Elf looks like a snack

 

[Kaarme]

He should at least first make sure the elf isn't working for an elven supremacy faction, like Thalmor.

I see, so iron man was not responsible for the deaths created by the weapons he sold, even to bad guys like the ppl that blew up his heart. And ppl selling weapons and supplies to russia during wartimes has no responsibility for what's it used for.

Creating is fine and all, but selling your stuff means you hold responsibility with whom you sell to. If you supply a country, you are condoning any wars or 'lawkeeping' they perform. If you sell to gangsters you are encouraging systemic oppression. If you sell to criminals, you are encouraging public unrest turning lethal.
If you sell to a middleman you are absolved from any responsibility whatsoever, unless said middleman has known allegiances~

You don't need to take it that far. He can make and sell weapons for those he deems trustworthy, but he shouldn't lose his sleep over worrying endlessly what those weapons later could possibly be used for. His responsibility ends with the first sale, more or less. He's mostly selling his wares through that one merchant, who seems like a decent enough person. He does special projects for others, and those he can select personally. If such a weapon is later stolen from the original owner, for example, it can't be said to be his responsibility anymore. It would be his responsibility if he made a terrifying weapon for an obvious scumbag. That's something he might want to avoid.

 

[Sumasuun]

I'm suddenly reminded of the intro of the first chapter, where the hero and demon both have his weapons but give up fighting when they realize they'll just be stuck in a stalemate.......

 

[Mindself]

''My waifus says it's okay to sell weapons of mass destruction so ill do it.''

 

[HDMI1]

"Weapons are made to hurt people [...] whether it's a knife or a sword"
Me looking at my butter knives...

 

[RanmaChaos]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[Meridis]

He should at least first make sure the elf isn't working for an elven supremacy faction, like Thalmor.



You don't need to take it that far. He can make and sell weapons for those he deems trustworthy, but he shouldn't lose his sleep over worrying endlessly what those weapons later could possibly be used for. His responsibility ends with the first sale, more or less. He's mostly selling his wares through that one merchant, who seems like a decent enough person. He does special projects for others, and those he can select personally. If such a weapon is later stolen from the original owner, for example, it can't be said to be his responsibility anymore. It would be his responsibility if he made a terrifying weapon for an obvious scumbag. That's something he might want to avoid.

Idk, I don't think I would be able to emotionally absolve myself at that point. It isn't just a matter of judging the character of the person you hand the weapon too. If the weapon is stolen or sold to someone with bad intentions afterwards, then you would have misjudged the competence of the person you gave it too. Looking at the line of events, a poor decision you made lead to tragedy. In that situation, I would feel personally responsible, if only in part. If there isn't a powerful third party that can enforce the proper use of the weapon, I would feel the need to go put an end to it personally.

 

[feha]

His responsibility ends with the first sale, more or less.

That was my point. So long as he sells to a middleman who he doesn't expect to do anything for profit without regard to the smiths morals, then his hands are clean.

It would be his responsibility if he made a terrifying weapon for an obvious scumbag. That's something he might want to avoid.

This is what I were saying. His conclusion was that it doesn't matter, and he can go ham in saturating all the markets (white, black or whatever) with OP town-annihilating weapons whenever anyone asks, without needing to worry about morals (we even saw a scene in first chapter where he had sold to the demon lord that wants to annihilate humanity so such an extend a literal storybook hero was made (and yes, I know it's supposed to be a "demon lord is a good guy too" development - but then why is there a hero?)). While I argue that no, he should at least avoid taking obvious scumbags as his clients.

 

[Kaarme]

That was my point. So long as he sells to a middleman who he doesn't expect to do anything for profit without regard to the smiths morals, then his hands are clean.

This is what I were saying. His conclusion was that it doesn't matter, and he can go ham in saturating all the markets (white, black or whatever) with OP town-annihilating weapons whenever anyone asks, without needing to worry about morals (we even saw a scene in first chapter where he had sold to the demon lord that wants to annihilate humanity so such an extend a literal storybook hero was made (and yes, I know it's supposed to be a "demon lord is a good guy too" development - but then why is there a hero?)). While I argue that no, he should at least avoid taking obvious scumbags as his clients.

The problem is that he enjoys making superb weapons, specifically swords. Yes, he enjoys making just pretty good ones as well, which is what he mostly makes, but if you think about it, normally anyone would want to develop and make masterpieces, given a chance and resources. He has the right to do it. In fact a bloody god gave him the skill to do it, so doesn't he have a divine right to do it? The question is, then, if he can live with the possible results. As long as he doesn't overdo it, he should stick to what he loves to do. This second chance was bought with his own life, after all. He doesn't need to live a miserable life of worrying about what-ifs.

 

[feha]

The problem is that he enjoys making superb weapons, specifically swords. Yes, he enjoys making just pretty good ones as well, which is what he mostly makes, but if you think about it, normally anyone would want to develop and make masterpieces, given a chance and resources. He has the right to do it. In fact a bloody god gave him the skill to do it, so doesn't he have a divine right to do it? The question is, then, if he can live with the possible results. As long as he doesn't overdo it, he should stick to what he loves to do. This second chance was bought with his own life, after all. He doesn't need to live a miserable life of worrying about what-ifs.

I already said that there's no issue with creating them. The issue is going "hmm, am I morally responsible for what my creations do if I sell them to ppl I know are scumbags? naaah, it's solely the scumbags fault if I enable them!". At least vet the person you sell to somewhat, if you have moral qualms about killing-tools being used to kill aplenty (while I did say you have responsibility, nothing stops said responsibility from being as vapid as akin to your responsibility for the death of a blade of grass or an ant being stepped on, when you invite your friend over - meaning if you don't mind strangers dying (a very normal and reasonable stance) then there's little issue! (that wasn't the case with mc tho)).

 

[Kaarme]

I already said that there's no issue with creating them. The issue is going "hmm, am I morally responsible for what my creations do if I sell them to ppl I know are scumbags? naaah, it's solely the scumbags fault if I enable them!". At least vet the person you sell to somewhat, if you have moral qualms about killing-tools being used to kill aplenty (while I did say you have responsibility, nothing stops said responsibility from being as vapid as akin to your responsibility for the death of a blade of grass or an ant being stepped on, when you invite your friend over - meaning if you don't mind strangers dying (a very normal and reasonable stance) then there's little issue! (that wasn't the case with mc tho)).

Yeah, but that fundamental level in this case is kind of a moot point because we know he cares about it very much. Too much. He looked like he could even stop making weapons altogether and only equip farmers and cooks, due to his sense of foreboding guilt. I'm merely saying it's also wrong to deny him the right to do what he loves to do the most, just because something sad might eventually happen. The middle of the road approach is for him to reasonably make sure his weapons would be in the hands of decent people, but still keep making them because that's what he's living for. It seems like that might be his choice.

At the end of the day, only thinking about the catastrophes is also a failure: His weapons can also be used for good.

 

[Donutlie]

”Should i feel bad for creating weapon that has the sole purpose of killing/hurting someone ?”
look at his harem
”Naaaa idc lmao i got a furry waifu for myself“

 

[SirArthurIV]

I see, so iron man was not responsible for the deaths created by the weapons he sold, even to bad guys like the ppl that blew up his heart. And ppl selling weapons and supplies to russia during wartimes has no responsibility for what's it used for.

Creating is fine and all, but selling your stuff means you hold responsibility with whom you sell to. If you supply a country, you are condoning any wars or 'lawkeeping' they perform. If you sell to gangsters you are encouraging systemic oppression. If you sell to criminals, you are encouraging public unrest turning lethal.
If you sell to a middleman you are absolved from any responsibility whatsoever, unless said middleman has known allegiances~

The fair thing to do is sell them to everyone. If everyone has access to such a powerful weapon then they'll have no choice but peace.

God Made Man, Sam Colt made them equal, John Browning made them civilized.

 

[cksn]

based justification of international arms trafficking. everything sounds so nasty and wrong if you call it trafficking.
modern morality is so empty.
never show emotional vulnerability to your cat wives, they'll just eat you
God bless vladimir putin

 

[Superpeanut]

Thx for the new chap guys!

 

[CraniumAmbiguity]

FEAR THE SPOON!!!

 

[AnotherDuck]

"Weapons are made to hurt people [...] whether it's a knife or a sword"
Me looking at my butter knives...

Well, he did say "weapons", so I'm going to assume he's talking about fighting knives, not tool knives. Because otherwise he's talking bullshit. But he still is, since he claims that swords and knives have the same purpose, which isn't the case, even counting only dedicated weapons. Well, unless you go as generic as "hurt people" regardless of whether you're talking attacking or defending.

You don't need to take it that far.

I already said that there's no issue with creating them. The issue is going "hmm, am I morally responsible for what my creations do if I sell them to ppl I know are scumbags?

Honestly, the most wrong thing I see with it is that he questions whether even having the doubt makes him pathetic. It's absolutely something you can worry about, as made obvious by the discussion in this thread.

Personally, I think it's his responsibility as far as he can control it. He can control who he sells to, but not what happens after that, nor can he be absolutely certain the person is good. But he can make a qualified estimation.

 

[CountryMage]

"demon lord is a good guy too" development - but then why is there a hero?))

They are both the Hero of their side in the conflict, both of them are the good guy, so long as there aren't circumstances like the Human Hero being a puppet of a totalitarian regime, expansionist power, or fascist religious organization.

The issue is going "hmm, am I morally responsible for what my creations do if I sell them to ppl I know are scumbags?

That was never the question, it was whether he's responsible if his creations end up in the hands of scumbags. You're the only one taking it that far, seems that you take it farther with each comment you make.

 

[Nemo2342]

Thanks for the update!

 

[BanditHadron]

Yeah, but that fundamental level in this case is kind of a moot point because we know he cares about it very much. Too much. He looked like he could even stop making weapons altogether and only equip farmers and cooks, due to his sense of foreboding guilt. I'm merely saying it's also wrong to deny him the right to do what he loves to do the most, just because something sad might eventually happen. The middle of the road approach is for him to reasonably make sure his weapons would be in the hands of decent people, but still keep making them because that's what he's living for. It seems like that might be his choice.

At the end of the day, only thinking about the catastrophes is also a failure: His weapons can also be used for good.

I want him to make a poleaxe.