Kanojo ni Uwaki Sareteita Ore ga, Koakuma na Kouhai ni Natsukareteimasu - Ch. 29

[phorx]

What is cheating? That’s simple, it’s whatever your partner(s) say it is. Whatever boundaries they have are the ones that you can’t cross.

Your personal boundaries might be different and that’s ok, but if you want your partner to feel secure and respected in your relationship then it’s their boundaries that you have to maintain.

If that’s not something you like or want, then get a new partner and stop making excuses.

So, based on that definition of cheating, it’s hard to say where this goes TBH. If MC was crossing Reina’s boundaries by having a close (but completely platonic) friendship with Ayaka, then they should have just broken up.

Natsuki may have been lying to Reina and saying that she saw MC and Ayaka doing things that never happened for all we know. So I’m actually curious to see what the story is in the next chapter.

 

[tseng]

Is the Kouhai the winner? That's all I want to know in the end. Her or Ayaka, but the Kouhai is at least the true path to redemption compared to the friend who thought she could take him at any time.

Yes the Kouhai, Mayu, is the winner, but manga still have 5 LN volumes to go through lol, so it gonna be a good while

 

[Drowsy124]

Both parties at fault. They need to just move the fuck it's clear they have a moral divide that can't be understod by them both.

Well he did and is trying to move on , but she keeps trying to come into his life . She’s the one that wants to date the guy again, he was moving on but now that she’s here he just wants clearing. If anything they can be friends at best and that’s completely up to him , but she’s foolish if she thinks they would ever date again. She let her insecurity win , so she wanted to see if she can do something similar (to what she thought the MAC has with his best friend) with another guy but instantly knew it was since she didn’t feel anything when she did it compared to when she held hands with him. Then she just accepted the break up because she felt he was leaving her for his best friend anyways and all that happened just moved that faster.
only to find out the mic was struggling to move on from her and never did begin to date his best friend. The thing is she attempted to move on, no matter how she tries to justify it in her head she cheated. Even if it was out of curiosity she was still trying to see if she can feel something for a guy that likes her but entertaining those thoughts are cheating in itself.

 

[Apav]

Yes the Kouhai, Mayu, is the winner, but manga still have 5 LN volumes to go through lol, so it gonna be a good while

Spoiler: Spoiler

How exactly does this story drag on for another 5 LN volumes? I get MC struggling to pick between Mayu or Ayaka, but sounds like there's something else. Same Reina drama or new drama?

 

[Ariqrabbani17]

This isn't just a case of "just holding hands," she was holding hands with fingers interlocked and arms wrapped around the arm of a man who was clearly interested in her. Whether or not he was her friend before all this, these are all clear signals that she's reciprocating his interest. Also, she was spending time alone with this man on their ANNIVERSARY. That just adds insult to injury.

Even if she wasn't doing all of that, even if she was spending time with this man with other friends, on another day, and he wasn't drooling over her, a woman holding hands with a man in modern day Japan is still undeniably flirting.

Also, this chapter her only explanation is that the man was one of the pageant managers, implying that she was flirting with him to better her position in the beauty pageant. For most monogamous people, flirting of any kind whether it involves romantically or sexually charged touch or just a verbal expression of romantic or sexual interest, is a form of cheating as those things are supposed to be exclusive to your partner. This is a totally normal and expected boundary.

I understand that that boundary isn't there for polyamorous relationships, but it's not like polyamorous relationships have absolutely no boundaries, right? Like if you're dating someone and you catch them stealing your credit card and using it to spend thousands of dollars on gacha pulls, you'd feel betrayed that they'd do something like that to you and not be able to trust them and thus date them going forward, wouldn't you? If you can't understand boundaries or empathize with someone experiencing betrayal of their boundaries just because you don't have the exact same boundary, I'm honestly concerned for you....

Why would she flirting with the manager if she was going to withdraw afterward?

 

[RNGtranslator]

Yes the Kouhai, Mayu, is the winner, but manga still have 5 LN volumes to go through lol, so it gonna be a good while

can you spoil me what happens with MC and ayaka? and why he chooses mayu and reina?

 

[AAA1]

Is the Kouhai the winner? That's all I want to know in the end. Her or Ayaka, but the Kouhai is at least the true path to redemption compared to the friend who thought she could take him at any time.

nah. Kouhai just got the golden ticket by author to got mentioned in all of the current things the mc doing right now. it's very unfair treatment by author to all of the other potential partners

 

[bellkxn]

Bruh what type of shitshow is this? The MC is really a prick for not adamantly ending things with his ex he keeps hanging to a false thread of hope while she leads him by the nose what a pathetic excuse of a man

can you rlly blame him tho? That was his first girl. He should be clear and end all ties with her but at the same time this broad is a big part of the story so maybe author is cooking up something interesting?

 

[bellkxn]

Technically you could, but you have to talk things out, find common ground, set red lines on both parts, compromise and more.
All of that is done with proper communication, something dramas avoid like the plague and this one is no different.

But yea justifying it like "You think it was cheating, I do not. Hence it wasn't cheating" is not exactly a good way to achieve anything. No wonder he left immediately after that.

That "communication" thing ppl like to talk about nowadays is bs.

 

[Orenji-kun]

Why would she flirting with the manager if she was going to withdraw afterward?

Cuz she wasn't planning to drop out and only did so after she was dumped cuz she was depressed and in no mood to do a pageant? Cuz she was feeling insecure about Yuuta's friendship with Ayaka and just wanted to prove to herself that she's attractive enough to get a man to betray other attractive women in the pageant by giving her an unfair advantage, whether she ends up participating or not? Idk cuz she didn't explicitly say why she was with him but I can think of tons of possible reasons

 

[Nitrouse]

From the hints given I can only think that she wanted to cheat, got tired for a time of her relationship or got that curiosity for risky thing youngsters have.
She didn't go through with it, but the intent was there, she wanted to go with someone else, the reason doesn't matter, what did or didn't happen doesn't matter, she broke the trust in the relationship.
It makes it less "bad" that she didn't complete it, for a second thought, fear, embarassment, sudden change of idea, cold feets, but she was in for it judging from what I know up to now.

Its more like a Revenge on his Feelings because of Ayaka. He spend too much time with her and that made Reina insecure so she wanted to let him feel the same.
Needless to say that this and that are completly different things, since MC never made a secret about anything related to Ayaka.

Reina is just Dumb and has an even Dumber friend in Natsuki. Both cant stand Ayaka and the only one that suffers from that is MC.

 

[Nitrouse]

For real, I really hope author dont make mc give another chance

MC should end up with Ayaka. You'll never find a Woman like her again.
Also, i dont like what this Manga is trying to tell. Spending less time with my Friend just because my Partner is insecure/Jealous? Hell naw man. The moment my Partner is trying to mess with my friends (which MC does know a whole lot longer) then its over. Easy as that.

 

[Magnus_Prime]

See? All one has to do is reframe the situation until one is no longer in the wrong.

 

[VooXoo]

Its more like a Revenge on his Feelings because of Ayaka. He spend too much time with her and that made Reina insecure so she wanted to let him feel the same.
Needless to say that this and that are completly different things, since MC never made a secret about anything related to Ayaka.

Reina is just Dumb and has an even Dumber friend in Natsuki. Both cant stand Ayaka and the only one that suffers from that is MC.

So the reason was jealousy and she didn't want to cheat but only make him think he was getting cheated on? She exposed herself on purpose? And then didn't confess what the whole thing was about? Is she retarded?
I've seen the girl tryign to make the guy jealous and it having bad consequences, but in the other stories I read it was mostly the MC running away and blocking the girl, it seems like he was open to listening here.

 

[Nitrouse]

So the reason was jealousy and she didn't want to cheat but only make him think he was getting cheated on? She exposed herself on purpose? And then didn't confess what the whole thing was about? Is she retarded?
I've seen the girl tryign to make the guy jealous and it having bad consequences, but in the other stories I read it was mostly the MC running away and blocking the girl, it seems like he was open to listening here.

Pretty much on the mark.
Also, he blocked her. He just opened up because Natsuki wanted him to listen to her. How that ended can we see here, it was pointless and a complete waste of Time for him.

 

[darkliondp]

MC should end up with Ayaka. You'll never find a Woman like her again.
Also, i dont like what this Manga is trying to tell. Spending less time with my Friend just because my Partner is insecure/Jealous? Hell naw man. The moment my Partner is trying to mess with my friends (which MC does know a whole lot longer) then its over. Easy as that.

That's not the message of the manga, that's the narrative that Reina is trying to push together with the lame retorts of Natsuki that are there not to speak reason but to blame shift into a spot where the MC would believe he was on the wrong. This is prime gaslighting.

The message of the story has been so far about how others perceive your relationships with people and how that outsider perspective comes and affects your whole life.

-With Ayaka and the MC at HS, because of the cold shoulder she was giving the other males, it leads to the eventual conflict of the MC and the guy he ends up smacking and the development of their own special relationship that people around them doesn't understand by societal standards. In their case, despite everything, they each remained on their spaces and only interacted through phone or meetings.

-Meanwhile the MC and Reina were dating and she is implied to frequent his place and even stay around. They had a lot of implied private time, enough to make memories through the whole city. This was a normal relationship that people accepted and commented upon.

-Finally with the kouhai, they meet privately a lot and engage like couples would but this is because the girl actively decides to become part of his life and he is just grateful for that happening. They are both aware of how weird this would look for outsiders but eventually resolve on the maxim that they aren't really doing anything wrong and they are fine with interacting like that.

Natsuki doesn't approve of any of his relationships because she thinks that if Reina cheated then he is worse than her for having relationships that also do not respect the social norms and this is of course not okay. Meanwhile a lot of other people think that he HAS to date Ayaka just because they make a good interaction and that's also not ok. Things aren't made better with Mayu making use of the fact that she is allowed to visit his place to brag around and create even more perception bombs around his life. Sure, she is interested in making herself a permanent part of his life, but by doing so she is inevitably damaging his other relationships without his consent and this is clearly also not completely good.

There's a lot of japanese nuances that are broken left and right in this story which are the driving force of anything going on.

 

[equationx]

That "communication" thing ppl like to talk about nowadays is bs.

communication isn't bs, it's how people started talking nowadays is bs, a lot of people started talking with anger instead of proper conversation

though, to be fair, it's not exactly "nowadays" that people can't even communicate properly, it's been ages since people done so, they talk with their angry feeling instead of feelings and rationality mix, a lot of people dislike being proven wrong or disagreed with

i've seen plenty of people in relationship, some of them definitely fought, but a lot of long lasting ones despite them having argued with each other before, they still have good relationship because they could actually talked it out after they clear their head

 

[18thMoon]

Cuz she wasn't planning to drop out and only did so after she was dumped cuz she was depressed and in no mood to do a pageant? Cuz she was feeling insecure about Yuuta's friendship with Ayaka and just wanted to prove to herself that she's attractive enough to get a man to betray other attractive women in the pageant by giving her an unfair advantage, whether she ends up participating or not? Idk cuz she didn't explicitly say why she was with him but I can think of tons of possible reasons

What?! 😒

 

[AaAaAa134]

one thing I want to point out (since I was a bit peeved with the past chapter comments), as much as intent matters, the fact that you're oblivious or it's unintentional doesn't excuse what you do in a relationship, getting drunk then having an affair with a rando doesn't suddenly stop becoming an affair because it was unintentional or you weren't in control, a lot of commenters like pointing the fact that she wanted him to be jealous and that intent alone is enough to make it wrong but if you were in a relationship, you should realize that what yuuta did was pretty fucking taboo, we live in a society joker and social cues are pretty much mandatory as much as you hate to say it, some things are "common sense" without words

for example:
if you had a girlfriend and a non relative best friend that's a girl and you consistently spend time with this girl while you would sometimes cancel on your own girlfriend, what do you think your girlfriend would feel?

now let's reverse it, your girlfriend has a non relative best friend that's a guy, she spends a lot of time with this guy while cancelling plans with you from time to time, how would you feel?

see that's the pain in the ass in this case, some of you would say you'd confront your girlfriend, I'm willing to bet that more than half of you would confront her in an emotional mess/disarray that you might fling some hurtful words that will inevitably ruin your relationship

now if you take all that into context, you start to see the issue, it isn't just one side, it's both sides being dumb as fuck, the girl, afraid that she might offend MC (let's be honest, no one likes to get accused of something they didn't do) proceeded to let it build up and MC being a fucking dense dumbshit proceeded to not understand the issues it poses when you're close with a person from the opposite gender, it's fucking simple, they're both stupid as fuck and should not be in relationships, the MC is a whiny dense motherfucker who should not end up with any of the girls unless he grows tf up

Also to add, I like the story's take on interpersonal relationship, how complicated it is, how outside perspectives could basically change dynamics and how context matters a lot

 

[TUN27]

She is fucked in the head. Narcissistic bitch.