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Kanzen Kaihi Healer no Kiseki - Vol. 1 Ch. 4 - My First Dungeon
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Is he stupid? If he gets hit once, he's dead. His stats are literally 1 in everything except healing and evasion. Like, AOE damage should oneshot him.
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Well, I think that he's treating it like a game because he doesn't know if he can revive/respawn
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...Eh? Shouldn't that be a reason not to treat it like a game? That's sorta the problem, really.
It's one thing if he can revive and respawn, but as far as everyone and us as readers have reason to believe, permadeath rules of reality apply. So his gamble on evasion is honestly...reckless. It's like he's experimenting with exploit builds, but he only has one chance at it.
...Eh? Shouldn't that be a reason not to treat it like a game? That's sorta the problem, really.
It's one thing if he can revive and respawn, but as far as everyone and us as readers have reason to believe, permadeath rules of reality apply. So his gamble on evasion is honestly...reckless. It's like he's experimenting with exploit builds, but he only has one chance at it.
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As a priest class in mmorpg, I found Hiroki's stats to be unique. Assassin class might me crying in the corner 😂😂
We used to see a tank-type of healer (full support) but rarely this one kind
Kinda unique, but he can't gain experience if he is still without party. Hope he will get a decent one.
I was glad the two people who isekai's are not douchebag like another isekai manga
We used to see a tank-type of healer (full support) but rarely this one kind
Kinda unique, but he can't gain experience if he is still without party. Hope he will get a decent one.
I was glad the two people who isekai's are not douchebag like another isekai manga
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At this point, I can only assume that the MC has lost all touch with reality and kinda forgotten that you die if you get killed in real life.
There's no gamer that wouldn't understand the consequences of going "as deep as you can" on a pure evasion build, after all.
This is still fun, though.
@Azapuela:
Actually, though that was my initial reaction too, but if one considers that 50 is apparently a "life-long grand-master" status in this world, it's possible that to people who aren't cheating, he's basically got a nigh-impossible-to-attain defensive-monk build.
And for people who have to work their way up the stat ladder normally, building his build may just be untenable. Evasion is often a stat that's kind of useless until you get it quite high, after all (otherwise RNG eventually kills you—which can be worked around with patience in a game when you don't die when you die, but, they don't have that luxury).
Put differently, he's like an early-edition D&D high-level wizard—really OP, but you should have had to risk death a helluva lot to get there. (D&D was originally a game where the game was really out to kill you, so classes could be balanced around risk-reward like that; more recent editions are more symmetrically balanced)
(As a lesser point, for him to have that on top of his presumably saint-level healing skill—where normally healers have to min-max healing and have weak defensive stats all-round—may be like running into someone who's three times the level cap.)
There's no gamer that wouldn't understand the consequences of going "as deep as you can" on a pure evasion build, after all.
This is still fun, though.
@Azapuela:
Actually, though that was my initial reaction too, but if one considers that 50 is apparently a "life-long grand-master" status in this world, it's possible that to people who aren't cheating, he's basically got a nigh-impossible-to-attain defensive-monk build.
And for people who have to work their way up the stat ladder normally, building his build may just be untenable. Evasion is often a stat that's kind of useless until you get it quite high, after all (otherwise RNG eventually kills you—which can be worked around with patience in a game when you don't die when you die, but, they don't have that luxury).
Put differently, he's like an early-edition D&D high-level wizard—really OP, but you should have had to risk death a helluva lot to get there. (D&D was originally a game where the game was really out to kill you, so classes could be balanced around risk-reward like that; more recent editions are more symmetrically balanced)
(As a lesser point, for him to have that on top of his presumably saint-level healing skill—where normally healers have to min-max healing and have weak defensive stats all-round—may be like running into someone who's three times the level cap.)
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BTW how the miss work in this world..
Does he have to move to evade or just some weird power does it thing?
I mean I keep seeing this dude evading attacks and doing nothing when it come to slime..
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Probably not, he can't aggro. He is probably the best supporter since you don't need to waste human resource on covering him.
Does he have to move to evade or just some weird power does it thing?
I mean I keep seeing this dude evading attacks and doing nothing when it come to slime..
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Probably not, he can't aggro. He is probably the best supporter since you don't need to waste human resource on covering him.
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>there hasn't been enough world building and skill explainasion to say if it's stupid or not.
Whether it turns out stupid or not in the future doesn't matter because the author can write literally anything to make MC look like a 200IQ gamer anyway. The issue here is that the MC is fucking suicidal. He does some memeshit build, advertises the build without mentioning that he can actually do healing, then walks straight into a dungeon with zero preparation when he has no clue how the mechanics of this particular game world works. He didn't even do any fucking research on what creatures were in the dungeon. No pots, no armor, no weapons, nothing.
It's pathetic. His thought process is so contrary to how a person who has a decent amount of experience in RPG games would "play" what is practically a rougelike with a permanent game over.
Whether it turns out stupid or not in the future doesn't matter because the author can write literally anything to make MC look like a 200IQ gamer anyway. The issue here is that the MC is fucking suicidal. He does some memeshit build, advertises the build without mentioning that he can actually do healing, then walks straight into a dungeon with zero preparation when he has no clue how the mechanics of this particular game world works. He didn't even do any fucking research on what creatures were in the dungeon. No pots, no armor, no weapons, nothing.
It's pathetic. His thought process is so contrary to how a person who has a decent amount of experience in RPG games would "play" what is practically a rougelike with a permanent game over.
Thanks for the chapter!
MC's evasion ability is really top notch, but shouldn't assume he'll be able to evade everything even if not paying attention. Evasion seems good for avoiding targeted attacks, but what happens if he slips or stumbles? Also, an Area Of Effect spell like Blizzard that creates damage over an area can still severely damage him even without a direct hit. Besides, he hasn't been using his healing spells yet and his job is suppose to be a healer. Fortunately for him it wasn't a locked room boss fight where exit doesn't appear until after defeat boss. Would be in trouble because usual template is initiating an attack hinders or prevents evasion allowing counter attacks to be more damaging. Wonder if that elf being used as a pack mule will become one of his party members soon?
MC's evasion ability is really top notch, but shouldn't assume he'll be able to evade everything even if not paying attention. Evasion seems good for avoiding targeted attacks, but what happens if he slips or stumbles? Also, an Area Of Effect spell like Blizzard that creates damage over an area can still severely damage him even without a direct hit. Besides, he hasn't been using his healing spells yet and his job is suppose to be a healer. Fortunately for him it wasn't a locked room boss fight where exit doesn't appear until after defeat boss. Would be in trouble because usual template is initiating an attack hinders or prevents evasion allowing counter attacks to be more damaging. Wonder if that elf being used as a pack mule will become one of his party members soon?
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Do isekai (where "destination" is a game) writers even play games? Anyone knows of any? Most of them write like they never played one game, much less one that is of a genre they are writing about.
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His character is just broke >.>
I'm concerned about that "until I get hit" part since there's a possibility of exceeding hp dmg with him having only 1 on DEF/RES. There's also no guarantee as to the type of boss inside, and if there's a mechanic that locks him unless the boss is defeated. With him having 0 dmg to a slime, I could guarantee he would do the same with the boss.. It'll be a dance until exhaustion if ever so.
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yeah, having to see Miss or almost little to no damage on bosses with 100,000+ hp is irritating, it sometimes lasts an hour.
And more so if there's some kind of hit this and that before that.
Luckily there's no such thing as sealing the MC from leaving/advancing without defeating the boss.
He'll be stuck there until another set of adventurers come if that happens.
I'm concerned about that "until I get hit" part since there's a possibility of exceeding hp dmg with him having only 1 on DEF/RES. There's also no guarantee as to the type of boss inside, and if there's a mechanic that locks him unless the boss is defeated. With him having 0 dmg to a slime, I could guarantee he would do the same with the boss.. It'll be a dance until exhaustion if ever so.
@ahs333
yeah, having to see Miss or almost little to no damage on bosses with 100,000+ hp is irritating, it sometimes lasts an hour.
And more so if there's some kind of hit this and that before that.
Luckily there's no such thing as sealing the MC from leaving/advancing without defeating the boss.
He'll be stuck there until another set of adventurers come if that happens.
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