Kaya-chan wa Kowakunai - Vol. 8 Ch. 45 - Mama is not scary

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I wouldn't call dying to shield your daughter from your other daughter's murder plan an easy way out. She died a horrible, painful death protecting one daughter from another.


Nobody's defending the old hag, but that doesn't justify the shit Mirai is pulling out. Think about it outside the fancy paranormal context - Mirai is committing a murder suicide over parental neglect. What's more, she is already treating her own children worse than her mother treated her. Grandma fucked up trying and failing to resolve generations of violent shit in her family, but she was ultimately less fucked up than her own mother. Mirai, on the other hand, is doing her best to become the worst.
i defend the grandmother, the problem here that people forget, is that the ebisumori is not just the main branch family with mutsu, nana, yoshie, mirai and kaya, there are other branch of the family too that compose the whole clan, so potentially there intern politic that need to be take into account, worse, it's a religious cult, that mean there fanatical people that need to run the whole thing.

potentially that can explain the attitude of mutsu with her daughter, so secretive, like she doesn't want to be direct with her daughter, want that her daughter is the one taking the decision of her own vaulition and avoid to be the one making the decision.

if as the head of the family she say that the whole cursed womb need to stop, i will not be surprise if there will be riot in the clan, because it's a really powerfull weapon of mass murder and other branch member can take that as a motive to make a coup d'etat.

another thing, the shocked face that mutsu do in the page 6 of the chapter, she seem to be shocked, surprise to see the remain of her sister, like she was not aware that her sister became a cursed womb, worse from the precedent page 5, she seem to be near her when she explode as nana ask her what happening :

"mom"
"wh"
"what's going on ?"
"please"

remember that mutsu let's her childs near yoshie when she is literraly a tickling bomb that will explode, and mutsu is shown to be a loving mother, as a parent, do you really wish that your child is near a women that will explode into gore mess as in the page 6 ?

i doubt it, especially with a women that chose to not brainwash her child as noticed by yoshie in her journal.

that mean someone else ordonned yoshie to become a cursed womb, someone that has enought power to bypass the great prietress of the ebisumori and keep her in the dark, and that tell a lot.
 
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i defend the grandmother, the problem here that people forget, is that the ebisumori is not just the main branch family with mutsu, nana, yoshie, mirai and kaya, there are other branch of the family too that compose the whole clan, so potentially there intern politic that need to be take into account, worse, it's a religious cult, that mean there fanatical people that need to run the whole thing.

potentially that can explain the attitude of mutsu with her daughter, so secretive, like she doesn't want to be direct with her daughter, want that her daughter is the one taking the decision of her own vaulition and avoid to be the one making the decision.

if as the head of the family she say that the whole cursed womb need to stop, i will not be surprise if there will be riot in the clan, because it's a really powerfull weapon of mass murder and other branch member can take that as a motive to make a coup d'etat.

another thing, the shocked face that mutsu do in the page 6 of the chapter, she seem to be shocked, surprise to see the remain of her sister, like she was not aware that her sister became a cursed womb, worse from the precedent page 5, she seem to be near her when she explode as nana ask her what happening :

"mom"
"wh"
"what's going on ?"
"please"

remember that mutsu let's her childs near yoshie when she is literraly a tickling bomb that will explode, and mutsu is shown to be a loving mother, as a parent, do you really wish that your child is near a women that will explode into gore mess as in the page 6 ?

i doubt it, especially with a women that chose to not brainwash her child as noticed by yoshie in her journal.

that mean someone else ordonned yoshie to become a cursed womb, someone that has enought power to bypass the great prietress of the ebisumori and keep her in the dark, and that tell a lot.
Insightful. Personally, I think that the person to order Yoshie to die was her and Mutsu's mother, since she's the most likely person to have enough authority to order that without consulting Mutsu. It's worth pointing out that Yoshie died when Mirai and Nana were merely children, so it's very likely that Yoshie's mother was still leading the clan back then.

But yeah, people really are acting as if Mirai's family issues were confined to just her, her mother, her sister and her aunt, instead of being a stacked pile of insane internal politics of generations of clan building.
 
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Well, the issue isn't Mirai going no contact, it's her deciding to become the cursed womb out of her own will to kill her whole family. Can't blame her for not believing them, can absolutely blame her for how she plans on dealing with it.

Speaking logically, Mirai had already escaped and started her own independent life, before dragging herself back into this occult mess by trying to birth the curse with Kaya. In fact, if Mirai didn't fuck around forbidden magic, Kaya would have been just a normal little girl, so you can't even blame any bloodline curse for keeping Mirai in the deadly game.
We are talking about a family that was breeding people just to do human sacrifices for material gain (just a little reminder that they weren't doing it to fight some sort of evil - they did it to keep the wealth and influence of the family). I think it's perfectly reasonable to not just want to escape (and leave future generations to also suffer), but also clean up this mess one and for all
 
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Considering that she actually found life and family outside of the Ebisumori clan and that the cursed womb practice was set to die after Yoshie's death? Yes, you're not supposed to side with the mother and her unabomber ways. You were supposed to be empathetic of her motivation though, as she was kept in the dark and lost a mother figure in the process.
Supposed to end according to whom? The people who profited from the practice, seen no issue with it, actively done it while the Mother was already born, and are now scared shitless because their house of cards is thumbing down? Yeah, sure, "set to die"...
 
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@Jink One thing I've been wondering is what "4th generation priestess" means.

Because if you look at the family tree at the end of chapter 14 (that they should really include with each volume) there are actually two priestesses in the second generation of the family.

So "4th generation priestess" could mean Shiho the 4th priestess OR it could mean Izumi the priestess from the 4th generation of the family.

Looking at the blacked out names on the tree I think it would make a lot of sense if the fourth generation priestess was Izumi and they've only gone all the way with the womb-sama thing twice.

With a story something like:

In the beginning the Ebisumoris didn't have any rules. The founder Hajime (1st) had two daughters, Futaba (2) and Mitsuba (3) and both were allowed to become priestesses. But then something fucked up happened to Mitsuba's second child (a bunch of blacked out words, too long to be a name) and it made them change the rules to one priestess per generation. This inspires Futaba's daughter Shiho (4) to have a bunch of kids (4 girls and a boy*) and raise her three younger daughters to be womb-samas. Later, Izumi (5) "deploys" her oldest younger sister (second blacked out name) to wipe out a powerful dude's business rivals and massively increase the Ebisumoris' influence.

Feel like Izumi using one of her four younger sisters to pull a stunt like that makes more sense than Shiho to using her only younger sister.

Also, @fsadfsad I didn't realize this was significant until reading your comment but Mutsu and Yoshie's mom wasn't Izumi. Mutsu and Yoshie's mom is Michiko, Izumi's youngest sister and the only younger sibling after the second generation with a spouse (aside from Mirai who left the cult.) Meanwhile Izumi also has a husband but no kids.

Maybe Izumi couldn't have kids so her youngest and therefore least brainwashed sister carried on the family line. Pretty interesting implications for Mutsu and Yoshie's upbringing. I'd wager Mutsu had even less power than you guessed because she wasn't actually the priestess' kid.

*Wrote a comment about this on chapter 14, after the 2nd gen there are 3 types of names on the tree: kanji names with numbers (priestess,) kanji names without numbers (boys,) and katakana names (younger girls.)
 
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We are talking about a family that was breeding people just to do human sacrifices for material gain (just a little reminder that they weren't doing it to fight some sort of evil - they did it to keep the wealth and influence of the family). I think it's perfectly reasonable to not just want to escape (and leave future generations to also suffer), but also clean up this mess one and for all
I'm gonna be real, the fact that her method of choice was killing herself and her own innocent child in an occult human sacrifice ritual, that doesn't make her look much better. You don't get to sacrifice your own child in a revenge scheme and then claim moral high ground. Especially, you don't get to talk about stopping suffering of the future generations if you murder everybody, including those who didn't wrong you.

@looc64 Good point.
 
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Supposed to end according to whom? The people who profited from the practice, seen no issue with it, actively done it while the Mother was already born, and are now scared shitless because their house of cards is thumbing down? Yeah, sure, "set to die"...
You're being weirdly too defensive and passive aggressive on this argument, just so you realize.

Like, I say it was set to die based on the circumstances. The matriarch of the Ebisumori family is Mutsu, and her heir is Nana. Mutsu as the matriarch decided to not brainwash Mirai into becoming the cursed womb bearer and chased Mirai away from the family after Yoshie's death. While there's no evidence that Mutsu wouldn't do it to the women of branch families, or whether it's even possible to do with the women of branch families at all, the disgust and fear in both Mutsu and Nana before Yoshie's exploded carcass makes their reluctance to continue the practice a possibility. That alone already breaks your opinion of "The people who profited from the practice saw no issue with it".

If you're THAT offended over my comment, you might be a bit too emotionally attached to Kaya's mother here, possibly reflecting your own circumstances. I suggest you go to therapy.
 
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Insightful. Personally, I think that the person to order Yoshie to die was her and Mutsu's mother, since she's the most likely person to have enough authority to order that without consulting Mutsu. It's worth pointing out that Yoshie died when Mirai and Nana were merely children, so it's very likely that Yoshie's mother was still leading the clan back then.

But yeah, people really are acting as if Mirai's family issues were confined to just her, her mother, her sister and her aunt, instead of being a stacked pile of insane internal politics of generations of clan building.
i really doubt that mutsue choose to sacrifice her sister, she seem to not really like the idea to make human sacrifice, maybe her mother, but is she alive at that time ? and letting nana with a ticking bomb near her, i frankly doubt that something she want her daughter to see.

just to clarify a bit, a council of the elder of the ebisumori can bypass the prietress, and that not really farfetched to think about it when you study how sect or even royalty work, you have the figurehead, the prietress/guru/king that the one that do the ritual or give the direction that the clan/sect/kingdom must follow, but the one that apply the order are the council of minister that are charged to watch how the order are obeyed in the clan.

@Jink One thing I've been wondering is what "4th generation priestess" means.

Because if you look at the family tree at the end of chapter 14 (that they should really include with each volume) there are actually two priestesses in the second generation of the family.

So "4th generation priestess" could mean Shiho the 4th priestess OR it could mean Izumi the priestess from the 4th generation of the family.

Looking at the blacked out names on the tree I think it would make a lot of sense if the fourth generation priestess was Izumi and they've only gone all the way with the womb-sama thing twice.

With a story something like:

In the beginning the Ebisumoris didn't have any rules. The founder Hajime (1st) had two daughters, Futaba (2) and Mitsuba (3) and both were allowed to become priestesses. But then something fucked up happened to Mitsuba's second child (a bunch of blacked out words, too long to be a name) and it made them change the rules to one priestess per generation. This inspires Futaba's daughter Shiho (4) to have a bunch of kids (4 girls and a boy*) and raise her three younger daughters to be womb-samas. Later, Izumi (5) "deploys" her oldest younger sister (second blacked out name) to wipe out a powerful dude's business rivals and massively increase the Ebisumoris' influence.

Feel like Izumi using one of her four younger sisters to pull a stunt like that makes more sense than Shiho to using her only younger sister.

Also, @fsadfsad I didn't realize this was significant until reading your comment but Mutsu and Yoshie's mom wasn't Izumi. Mutsu and Yoshie's mom is Michiko, Izumi's youngest sister and the only younger sibling after the second generation with a spouse (aside from Mirai who left the cult.) Meanwhile Izumi also has a husband but no kids.

Maybe Izumi couldn't have kids so her youngest and therefore least brainwashed sister carried on the family line. Pretty interesting implications for Mutsu and Yoshie's upbringing. I'd wager Mutsu had even less power than you guessed because she wasn't actually the priestess' kid.

*Wrote a comment about this on chapter 14, after the 2nd gen there are 3 types of names on the tree: kanji names with numbers (priestess,) kanji names without numbers (boys,) and katakana names (younger girls.)
i have a very different opinion about the blackened name that you can see in the family tree, when you erase a name from a family tree that generally mean that you don't want them to be associate with the family, hinting about infighting in the clan, or worse betrayal, not that they became cursed womb, if you search yoshie her name is still in the family tree with mutsu.

and you point a very important thing, why izumi is not the progenitor of the modern ebisumori family and why her second sister has her name erased ? what happen to the other sister, why they don't have any children ?

from the family tree, only michiko has any children, and she was the last child of the family, why her child is the one that inherit the place of the prietress ? the other sister are the oldest, that mean it's supposed to be their child that become the prietress, that mean something happen to them that they can't bear child, michiko is potentially the last survivor of a big fight between the member of the family.

moreover, the family tree show the female member of the family, the male are not even named, and they are adopted into the hirumori clan as stated on the comment.

and the fact that there 2 name erased (soon 3) mean that riot is not so rare in the family.
 
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We are talking about a family that was breeding people just to do human sacrifices for material gain (just a little reminder that they weren't doing it to fight some sort of evil - they did it to keep the wealth and influence of the family). I think it's perfectly reasonable to not just want to escape (and leave future generations to also suffer), but also clean up this mess one and for all
i don't think that truly the case, i suppose that you make that assumption based on the history of the merchant and the prietress from chapter 42 right ?

but do you know that story can potentially hide much more than just a story of greed ?

thank to reread the family tree, the traductor make a very important note, one of the first name erased can be read as "hiruko no kami", and that is an important detail, the family that was killed by the curse was a merchant family, and hiruko no kami aka "ebisu" is a god revered by the merchant, or the fact that the name of the god of the merchant and luck appear in the family tree, i don't think that is a hasard.

potentially that mean that shiho killed an ofshoot of the ebisumori family that betray them before.

and potentially, the other erased name can continu to exist.
 
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Hmm, since everyone seems to be declaring what side they're on, I will too. I'm on Kayas side, she is an innocent, brave child and she deserves a loving family. I hope her mother gives birth to a baby brother and they live happily ever after.
 
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@Jink One thing I've been wondering is what "4th generation priestess" means.

Because if you look at the family tree at the end of chapter 14 (that they should really include with each volume) there are actually two priestesses in the second generation of the family.

So "4th generation priestess" could mean Shiho the 4th priestess OR it could mean Izumi the priestess from the 4th generation of the family.

Looking at the blacked out names on the tree I think it would make a lot of sense if the fourth generation priestess was Izumi and they've only gone all the way with the womb-sama thing twice.
I totally forgot they showed the family tree in ch 14. Could be an interesting story there with a power struggle that Mitsuba lost. My only guess as to why they both are priestess is they were twins and the family lost track who was born first and that's why they were both numbered priestesses?

At this point I'm going to assume they meant that Izumi (the priestess of the fourth generation of the clan) started the death curse practice and not Shiho (the fourth priestess). Probably need the TL to double check the specific wording cause its a big difference between fourth generation priestess and fourth priestess overall. May also be intentional obscurity form the author as well. Ultimately it's not really important to the immediate story of Kaya and Mirai.

I've also been thinking the curse won't even affect Kaya since she already has a similar if not stronger curse than the death curse since she's basically a matured version of it. Also since Mirai married (I dont remember if she took her husbands family name, but assuming she did) and the curse is only targeting the Ebisumori family that it wouldn't affect Kaya because of that either. If that's the case even if Mirai succeeds she would only be killing herself and Nana. Otherwise it would then affect anyone that has Ebisumori blood and who knows how many people that's killing that have absolutely nothing to do with it since the boys get kicked to the Hirumori clan and aren't even recorded in the Ebisumori family tree.
 
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i have a very different opinion about the blackened name that you can see in the family tree, when you erase a name from a family tree that generally mean that you don't want them to be associate with the family, hinting about infighting in the clan, or worse betrayal, not that they became cursed womb, if you search yoshie her name is still in the family tree with mutsu.
Thing is the first blacked out entry is like 5 characters long while the names are like 2-3 tops. So it should be something that isn't a name. Also the translator mentioned that one of the blacked out characters looks like "胎' or "womb."

Also, my thought is that the tree seems to have been compiled by Mob so it's based on a combination of sources.

Something like:

1st-early 4th gen: based on the Ebisumoris' records, so names/records of womb-samas are blotted out because they were erased by people like Izumi.

Late 4th-present gen: based on Mob's research. Yoshie's name isn't blotted out because a) Namu probably remembers her and b) Mutsu and Nana wouldn't have tried to erase her. Also, Mirai's family is recorded correctly even though she left the cult because a) Mob started researching from Kaya and b) Namu also remembers her.
and you point a very important thing, why izumi is not the progenitor of the modern ebisumori family and why her second sister has her name erased ? what happen to the other sister, why they don't have any children ?
This one's less speculative: Yoshie has no recorded husband and mentioned in her diary that she never even met the father of her baby. So the other sisters either died giving birth to the curse or remained unmarried.
moreover, the family tree show the female member of the family, the male are not even named, and they are adopted into the hirumori clan as stated on the comment.
There are actually a few male names on there. You can tell because there are 3 kinds of names on the tree:

  • Kanji names with numbers in them: the 8 priestesses: Hajime, Futaba, Mitsuba, Shiho, Izumi, Mutsu, Nana, and Kaya.
  • Names written in Katakana (unusual) Mirai and Yoshie's names are both like this, so probably the younger sisters who are supposed to "support" the priestess.
  • 3 Male names written in kanji: Mitsuba's first child/the founder of the Hiromori clan is named Sutekichi 捨吉, Shiho had a younger sibling named 平太, and Izumi had a younger sibling named Sousuke 宗佑.

So basically dudes are at least recorded on the tree before being sent to the Hiromoris.

By the by, "kichi" 吉 is a very normal end for a Japanese boy's name, but "sute" 捨 means throw away and is not usually used in names at all.

Edit: mixed up Futaba and Mitsuba in one part
 
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This one's less speculative: Yoshie has no recorded husband and mentioned in her diary that she never even met the father of her baby. So the other sisters either died giving birth to the curse or remained unmarried.

i think they die from the curse or accident, remained unmarried in that clan that emphaze on the blood line and the importance of the elder child is pretty doubtfull, if they were able to have child, the clan will force them to have child.
There are actually a few male names on there. You can tell because there are 3 kinds of names on the tree:

  • Kanji names with numbers in them: the 8 priestesses: Hajime, Futaba, Mitsuba, Shiho, Izumi, Mutsu, Nana, and Kaya.
  • Names written in Katakana (unusual) Mirai and Yoshie's names are both like this, so probably the younger sisters who are supposed to "support" the priestess.
  • 3 Male names written in kanji: Futaba's first child/the founder of the Hiromori clan is named Sutekichi 捨吉, Shiho had a younger sibling named 平太, and Izumi had a younger sibling named Sousuke 宗佑.

So basically dudes are at least recorded on the tree before being sent to the Hiromoris.

By the by, "kichi" 吉 is a very normal end for a Japanese boy's name, but "sute" 捨 means throw away and is not usually used in names at all.

i began to understand how to read that tree

the male that are birthded in the main family are recorded before being send to the hirumori clan, but you make an error, sutekichi is the child of mitsuba, the 3 prietress, all the line of the actual ebisumori came from futaba, the 2 prietress.

for those who come after, the 3 male member of the family are :

  1. sutekichi, child of the 3 prietress, 3 generation of the ebisumori family
  2. heita, child of the 2 prietress, 3 generation
  3. sousuke, child of the 4 prietress, 4 generation
that mean that there potentially 3 womb curse used in the family
  1. hatsu, child of the 2 prietress, sister of shiho, 3 generation, the one that is featured in the story of the merchant
  2. fumi, child of the 4 prietress, sister of izumi, 4 generation, used (?) in a potential infighting
  3. yoshie, child of michiko the sister of izumi, sister of mutsu the 6 prietress, 5 generation, used for something that we don't know actually.
wonder for what kind of reason the ebisumori choose to at least sacrifice 2 womb sama, sacrifice them is a double edged sword, as shown with izumi, if the prietress can't for a reason or another give birth to the next prietress, it's the womb sama that must give birth to the next generation, and ironically that what happen with kaya.
 
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another thing, the shocked face that mutsu do in the page 6 of the chapter, she seem to be shocked, surprise to see the remain of her sister, like she was not aware that her sister became a cursed womb, worse from the precedent page 5, she seem to be near her when she explode as nana ask her what happening :

"mom"
"wh"
"what's going on ?"
"please"

remember that mutsu let's her childs near yoshie when she is literraly a tickling bomb that will explode, and mutsu is shown to be a loving mother, as a parent, do you really wish that your child is near a women that will explode into gore mess as in the page 6 ?

i doubt it, especially with a women that chose to not brainwash her child as noticed by yoshie in her journal.

that mean someone else ordonned yoshie to become a cursed womb, someone that has enought power to bypass the great prietress of the ebisumori and keep her in the dark, and that tell a lot.
I honestly don't think Mutsu didn't know Yoshi being a cursed womb bearer, she should have known since forever.

Maybe the surprise she has should be "how come Yoshi made the curse without her knowing"? But then there's a hole in that question, since Nana or Mirai should have told Mutsu about it.

One of the theory that I have was that Mutsu tried to get Yoshi giving birth to a new Priestess (or you can say giving birth to "Kaya" before our Kaya happened) but along the way Yoshi turn it into a cursed womb instead. The question is still "Who made her do it?" but at least I think it clicked with the reason she left her kids to Yoshi's care.
 
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I honestly don't think Mutsu didn't know Yoshi being a cursed womb bearer, she should have known since forever.

Maybe the surprise she has should be "how come Yoshi made the curse without her knowing"? But then there's a hole in that question, since Nana or Mirai should have told Mutsu about it.

One of the theory that I have was that Mutsu tried to get Yoshi giving birth to a new Priestess (or you can say giving birth to "Kaya" before our Kaya happened) but along the way Yoshi turn it into a cursed womb instead. The question is still "Who made her do it?" but at least I think it clicked with the reason she left her kids to Yoshi's care.
obviously, mutsu know about yoshie being a cursed womb bearer, both were raised into the traditional ebisumori ways so both sister know what their role were.

mirai is not the prietress and she doesn't seem to inherit any medium power, for her, her aunt yoshie is just a pregnant women.

nana and mutsu on the contrary are the medium, but your theory to make yoshie the new progenitor of the 8 prietress can indeed explain why they were not alarmed to see a cursed womb in yoshie, after all, mutsu must have inquired about the health condition of nana and her inability to make an heir because she is a prematured.
 
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i but you make an error, sutekichi is the child of mitsuba, the 3 prietress, all the line of the actual ebisumori came from futaba, the 2 prietress.
Oh yeah whoops
wonder for what kind of reason the ebisumori choose to at least sacrifice 2 womb sama, sacrifice them is a double edged sword, as shown with izumi, if the prietress can't for a reason or another give birth to the next prietress, it's the womb sama that must give birth to the next generation, and ironically that what happen with kaya.
Feel like Izumi's situation was unfortunate kid wise but pretty ideal sister wise. Like she had 3 younger sisters so after sacrificing the first she still had two spares.
 
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I’ve binged this series all in one sitting - it is now midnight dark and I’m gonna have to clean up house with the thoughts of ghosts in my mind 🥲

Thank you so much for translating!!!
 

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