Kimi ga Shinu Made Ato 100 Nichi - Ch. 27 - My God

[MangaDex]

 

[Runnick]

Now THAT'S a bad flag to raise...

 

[knecht]

we happy sugar life now.

 

[StrabeDevicles]

Hol up so the sick lady didn’t have the surgery but is she dead? Didn’t he say that she’d die because of it? So isn’t it good if she didn’t die right there and then while being operated on?

 

[FredFriendly]

@StrabeDevicles

So isn’t it good if she didn’t die right there and then while being operated on?

No. If she was going to die anyway, why not take the chance of having the operation? A very, very long time ago I had a heart operation, the first of its type which had only been performed the year before, the results of which were not guaranteed. If not for that operation, I would not be here today to annoy people with my comments. Fortunately for me, my mother had faith in modern medicine.

 

[Hadski]

Now that's one ugly gigantic flag risen

 

[HajimeteNHK]

It's still possible that she is alive, maybe she was operated on later or went to another hospital or who knows

 

[nyamcam]

I agree with the others below, I think it'll be interesting to see if the lady ever survived - because if she did, it could prove an action could very well change fate.

 

[KAFi]

I'm not crying

Spoiler

We are crying

 

[Purplelibraryguy]

It's a really stupid conversation. We've already established fate can be changed--Umi's "when she dies" number goes up and down like a yo-yo every time someone does something. That's a change. And whether that lady died or not, he changed her fate. She was going to die on the operating table. After he talked to her, if she died it was some other way at some other time. Fate changed. So why are they worrying about whether it can be done?

 

[FireCamp]

as kid he saw a future and that future realized itself, he saved his crush by having her not take the surgery (or at least he got her to live a few more days than what was set in stone) you could say since he was a kid he maybe was dumb enough to not realize that he changed "fate" since she didn't take the surgery in first place but now he's thinking about it again as a highschooler and still doesn't realize that ?

 

[Acolytus]

@Purplelibraryguy @FireCamp If the lady died anyway then he failed to change the final result of "death", he just changed the way it happened (which is pretty much worthless aside from making her death more or less painful/awful).

A lot of stories where fate is a thing treat it as if it has some sort of inertia, meaning that if something is fated to happen, it will happen even if you try to prevent it. So if you two people were supposed to meet at a train station and fall in love and you prevent that, they will somehow end up meeting somewhere else and fall in love anyway. Same with preventing someone's death, fate will find another way to kill them.

Tarou's power is probably related to this concept. He can basically see how strong that "fate inertia" is and though he can slown it down, we have yet to see if he can fully stop it.

 

[Purplelibraryguy]

@Acolytus Everyone dies, you know. But, OK, so we can say we don't know how much they can change fate.

 

[FireCamp]

@Acolytus ok so you wanna tell me that "fate" and the changing of "fate" is only applicable when it's a death situation? Well good luck with that because humans die anyway so you can't change said fate. end of the story, see you in season 2!....

 

[unime]

Damn
No wonder Taru's like she is my religion lolol
Many thanks

 

[Acolytus]

@FireCamp @Purplelibraryguy In this situation we are talking about an untimely death, not a natural death (at least in the sense that it can't be avoided like death of old age or a terminal illness). If Itsuki's actions allowed that woman to live for many years (even if she ends up dying for another reason many years later) then he totally changed fate, but if she died pretty much around the same time she was supposed to die from that surgery, then he didn't change it.

It's not like Tarou's grandma, who was obviously going to die no matter what he did because she reached the end of her lifespan. Umi SHOULD be able to live till old age since she doesn't seem to have any sort of illness or anything like that, but she is fated to die when she is just a teenager due to an unnatural event (like the yandere murdering her) and though Tarou can change the circumstances of that event and delay it for a it, we don't know if he can fully prevent it because the countdown keeps going down.

He can slightly change fate (like preventing the yandere from ending up in jail for murder) but the question is if he can change Umi's final fate, since whatever cosmic force is in charge of this shit seems to be hellbent on killing her.

 

[FireCamp]

@Acolytus death is death natural or not, so fate is changed when someone lived past their expected death date by a few years but has not changed if they died after a few days / weeks / hours ? simple question why ? you made the rules of that i presume which doesn't make any sense. if we're thinking of fate as what's known to the general public as "what's written and set in stone to happen no matter what" then her choosing not take the surgery in the first place is considered changing fate, well if you wanna go on a voodoo tangent about fate and death you do you

 

[Acolytus]

@FireCamp In this case it isn't because there is a difference between Tarou's grandma "natural" death and Umi's "unnatural" death, with the difference being that grandma's death was impossible to prevent or change while Umi's death should be preventable but the countdown implies it's not so easy.

You are focusing way too much on the details and not in what actually matters. Both that woman and Umi were/are fated to die soon and the story has already shown that you can delay that death and change how it happens but we don't know if you can fully prevent it. That's the entire point of the countdown (even if it's not actually counting days): to show that Umi's fated death is going to happen soon. If she manages to live for even one more year then the countdown would dissapear, meaning her fate was actually changed.

Again, fate can be slightly changed but we don't know if the ultimate result of "this person will die soon" can. That's a vital detail because Tarou's goal is not to change the circumstances of Umi's imminent death but rather stop it from happening at all.

 

[sirflimflam]

I'm confused with Itsuki now.

I feel like stopping her from having the sure-fire death surgery was the best result. There's only a "chance of success" when something is actually changed about an otherwise predetermined scenario, so "blaming himself" for her not having the surgery as though he stole her small chance at victory is kind of weird when he appears to know, unaltered, his visions aren't wrong. It's kind of weird how he's characterized so strongly implying you can't change fate when he in fact already had a huge success with that woman, having no doubt lived longer than she would have otherwise. She wasn't cured of her ailment, but that wasn't what was going to kill her in the first place. We have no idea how long she has/had, but everything about her life after skipping out on that surgery could be seen as a new branch of fate. She could even have the surgery at a later date and may well survive (or not). But he threw a wrench in her predetermined death and at least stalled it.

 

[selayar]

@knecht Thanks to that manga, I can't ever see the vow as the same as before.