Kimi ni Aisarete Itakatta - Vol. 6 Ch. 40 - Childhood Friend

[MangaDex]

 

[pink_rabbit]

Oh- So Hiroshi is a piece of shit like everyone else too. I don't feel bad what Kanae did to him.

 

[malu]

Well well weel, seems like he wasn't lying about being popular with girls, having a lot of former gf and done it many times, what a twist

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

wasn't expecting that. it seems like the only innocent person by the end of this manga will be kanae's younger brother. that kid just wants to play splatoon in peace, damnit.

 

[kingmuffuza]

Hiroshi is a W rizzgod he really scored a level 3 gyatt just like that after dropping that mid gyatt W sigma rizz my favorite character in this story for sure

 

[danbellucci]

whaaaaat if Hiroshi has banged and moved on from a bunch of girls for the past few years and even took his childhood friend's virginity despite knowing he didn't like her then why is he simping so much for Kanae?? have I forgotten something? his behaviour towards kanae up until this point feels like that of a sincere, virgin guy who's fallen for a girl , not like a player who has become infatuated with a bunch of girls then dumped them straight afterwards.
I guess that explaines why he doesn't care that kanae continued prostituting herself after they got together , if he's "broken" or a player too.
But if he's that jaded and has already become infatuated with and moved on from a bunch of girls then why would he end up killing Kanae? A jaded person wouldn't become filled with enough jealousy or emotion to throw their life away by stabbing their girlfriend.
and why wouldn't he try to have sex with Kanae before this point? I guess something to do with his childhood friend traumatised him and made him not want to have sex incase he falls out of love with the woman afterwards?
Anyway feels pretty weird. maybe they'll resolve it in a way that's plausible but at the moment it doesn't feel plausible.

 

[Spwooky]

This chapter feels like Shiruka forgot how they wrote Hiroshi up to this point.
Completely feeling like a total different character.
To the van with him.

 

[Starcruiser]

These chapter feels like Shiruka forgot how they wrote Hiroshi up to this point.
Completely feeling like a total different character.
To the van with him.

Yeah from a person who has been reading this for a while this chapter feels sooooo off like hiroshi being like that really doesnt make any sense

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

whaaaaat if Hiroshi has banged and moved on from a bunch of girls for the past few years and even took his childhood friend's virginity despite knowing he didn't like her then why is he simping so much for Kanae?? have I forgotten something? his behaviour towards kanae up until this point feels like that of a sincere, virgin guy who's fallen for a girl , not like a player who has become infatuated with a bunch of girls then dumped them straight afterwards.
I guess that explaines why he doesn't care that kanae continued prostituting herself after they got together , if he's "broken" or a player too.
But if he's that jaded and has already become infatuated with and moved on from a bunch of girls then why would he end up killing Kanae? A jaded person wouldn't become filled with enough jealousy or emotion to throw their life away by stabbing their girlfriend.
and why wouldn't he try to have sex with Kanae before this point? I guess something to do with his childhood friend traumatised him and made him not want to have sex incase he falls out of love with the woman afterwards?
Anyway feels pretty weird. maybe they'll resolve it in a way that's plausible but at the moment it doesn't feel plausible.

These chapter feels like Shiruka forgot how they wrote Hiroshi up to this point.
Completely feeling like a total different character.
To the van with him.

This is basically the edgy male version of Marin. Authors seem to like writing incoherent amalgamations of character traits whenever it comes to sex to make them fit to whatever harebrained plot they've come up with. Bisque doll wouldn't work if Marin really was just your stereotypical gal who cosplays for attention, and this story doesn't work with him being a manho.

 

[Eighty-six]

Hiroshi is a W rizzgod he really scored a level 3 gyatt just like that after dropping that mid gyatt W sigma rizz my favorite character in this story for sure

Normally, I'd say "these are English words, but this is not the English language".

I'm not even sure if these are English words.

 

[Eighty-six]

whaaaaat if Hiroshi has banged and moved on from a bunch of girls for the past few years and even took his childhood friend's virginity despite knowing he didn't like her then why is he simping so much for Kanae?? have I forgotten something? his behaviour towards kanae up until this point feels like that of a sincere, virgin guy who's fallen for a girl , not like a player who has become infatuated with a bunch of girls then dumped them straight afterwards.

Because he's not.

"Even though [my heart] beat like crazy in the beginning, after a while, the sounds just disappeared./Even though... I liked every single one of them so much that I wanted to be with them 24/7."

Make no mistake-- this doesn't contradict anything except some fuzzy expectations about a guy whose past love life had yet to be explored until now. His desire for Kanae doesn't contradict his seeming serial monogamy, or the earnestness he initially had for each of his ex-girlfriends.

It'd be reductive to label him a "playboy" or a "manwhore"-- that's not what he's describing of himself, and what he does describe is mostly incongruous with that concept. The phenomenon he described as accompanying his interest in his ex-girlfriends also occurred for his childhood friend, so it could be said that he came to like her in that moment (at least, according to his understanding, which may be him confusing love for mere lust). He's describing a specific issue of not being able to properly love someone after the honeymoon high wears off.

So, it makes sense that he's plainly sincere and good-natured with Kanae at the start of their interactions-- that's how it would start, with him. It's also not inconsistent for him to continue to desire Kanae, since while the condition for his loss of interest isn't made obvious, it seems to be tied to when he actually has sex with the girls he likes.

Novel information can be 100% non-contradictory and still poorly fit if it doesn't link up to any part of the character as exhibited. In this case, though, this is a still-incomplete backstory that started after Kanae started having sex with Hiroshi, so what this means in the grand scheme has yet to be seen.

 

[Goodbyefrankenstein]

Oh so he was the type of guy to subconsciously see women as conquests. At some point, probably after hurting his childhood friend's feelings through sex, he decided to treat sex seriously. Hopefully, anyway. That would mean he has some inner growth since then but maybe kanae about to tear all that down.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

Make no mistake-- this doesn't contradict anything except some fuzzy expectations about a guy whose past love life had yet to be explored until now. His desire for Kanae doesn't contradict his seeming serial monogamy, or the earnestness he initially had for each of his ex-girlfriends.

What's being pointed out is that these traits don't go together. He's acting like he's never seen a boob before here. Nobody is saying he can't be infatuated with a girl or something, they're saying he's acting like the easily-shaken virgin. After the third or fourth time you bed some girl, surely your response to being propositioned (Especially after you were explicitly not interested in at least one of said girls) isn't "AWAWAWAWAWAWAAAAA BUT THATS SO LEWD. WE NEED TO BE IN LOVE FIRST O///O"

 

[Eighty-six]

What's being pointed out is that these traits don't go together. He's acting like he's never seen a boob before here.

He's acting flustered, not "like he's never seen a boob before". He outright said he's had girlfriends, lost his virginity in middle school, and has had sex many times (ch. 38, p.11), so this chapter isn't even entirely new information as much as it is providing context for those statements.

The previous chapter was him trying to resist Kanae's relentless attack, proclaiming at the climax (of the narrative), "I won't do it with a girl I'm not going out with! I decided that a long time ago!". That's absolutely different than the caricature you provided, not only in general substance but in underlying resolve.

That he's depicted in this flashback as being a serial monogamist isn't just a disconnect from the present Hiroshi-- it's a disconnect that begs you to ask "What happened that turned Hiroshi from that to this? What did he decide a long time ago? Why did he decide that?"

And why does he absolutely have to act a certain way based just on the number of times he's had sex and nothing else (such as the way he approaches relationships as revealed in this chapter, or the fact that he actually has affection for Kanae)?

 

[ErikTheRed]

No ones close to being a decent person in this huh

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

He's acting flustered, not "like he's never seen a boob before".

It's called a "figure of speech". Sometimes people don't use words for their literal meanings. I'm sorry if this confused you, but you basically just said what I did using more literal words.

And why does he absolutely have to act a certain way based just on the number of times he's had sex and nothing else (such as the way he approaches relationships as revealed in this chapter, or the fact that he actually has affection for Kanae)?

Because he's dealt with women before. You don't panic after so many times. I don't see why it's hard for you to understand what anyone is saying. It's not the first time he's been with a girl, it's not the first time one's come on to him, and it's definitely not his first time dealing with one in general. This flustered schoolboy act doesn't make sense.

Humans, you see, desensitize to things with repeated exposure.

 

[araaramaamaa]

He's acting flustered, not "like he's never seen a boob before". He outright said he's had girlfriends, lost his virginity in middle school, and has had sex many times (ch. 38, p.11), so this chapter isn't even entirely new information as much as it is providing context for those statements.

The previous chapter was him trying to resist Kanae's relentless attack, proclaiming at the climax (of the narrative), "I won't do it with a girl I'm not going out with! I decided that a long time ago!". That's absolutely different than the caricature you provided, not only in general substance but in underlying resolve.

That he's depicted in this flashback as being a serial monogamist isn't just a disconnect from the present Hiroshi-- it's a disconnect that begs you to ask "What happened that turned Hiroshi from that to this? What did he decide a long time ago? Why did he decide that?"

And why does he absolutely have to act a certain way based just on the number of times he's had sex and nothing else (such as the way he approaches relationships as revealed in this chapter, or the fact that he actually has affection for Kanae)?

I'm assuming the reason why Hiroshi is acting like he is with Kanae is because he's not the one in control of the situation, she is. Because he isn't the top his anxieties and insecurities are likely heightening.
Either that or he's being emotionally manipulative but I sorta doubt it considering Kanae isn't like the other girls Hiroshi slept with as Kanae is sexually experienced AND completely unhinged.

 

[Eighty-six]

It's called a "figure of speech". Sometimes people don't use words for their literal meanings. I'm sorry if this confused you, but you basically just said what I did using more literal words.

I didn't "basically" say what you said-- I'm disputing what you're saying, and you're pretending that we're saying the same thing.

Overall, you're arguing that he's acting like a virgin with zero sexual experience despite what we're shown in this chapter, and I'm stating that 1) he already discussed his sexual history two chapters ago, and 2) this has less to do with his virginity in the first place and more to do with the way he's historically approached intimacy, the way he's chosen to approach relationships, and the way he feels about Kanae.

The narrative is begging you to wonder about the cause of the change that necessarily happened between this past and the first we see of Hiroshi in the present. There's already set-up for the totality of the cause to be revealed in the very next chapter.

Humans, you see, desensitize to things with repeated exposure.

Rather than insulting, your condescension makes you read like an alien from outer space masquerading as a human.

More realistically, I'm sure you've idealized what having sex does to those who have it. Additionally, the amount of times he's had sex with the same girl isn't even made note of-- he's not getting "repeated exposure" in the first place, even though all his past relationships (not accounting for the case of the childhood friend whose segment has yet to conclude) have ended up the same. Sexual incidents aren't completely interchangeable in the way you're implying, especially not between different women.

I'm assuming the reason why Hiroshi is acting like he is with Kanae is because he's not the one in control of the situation, she is.

Ch. 39, p.4 has recollections from Kanae's perspective, but they're regardless things that Hiroshi's said that are consistent with what he's saying now-- though, Kanae's trying to deny that those words of his were genuine by becoming more sexually aggressive in response to perceiving this consistency.

I'm inclined, then, to believe that Hiroshi's reactions stem from the convictions he currently has about love (that he also speaks about somewhat in chapter 38, p.11), and he's at minimum concerned about becoming a hypocrite.

 

[danbellucci]

Because he's not.

"Even though [my heart] beat like crazy in the beginning, after a while, the sounds just disappeared./Even though... I liked every single one of them so much that I wanted to be with them 24/7."

Make no mistake-- this doesn't contradict anything except some fuzzy expectations about a guy whose past love life had yet to be explored until now. His desire for Kanae doesn't contradict his seeming serial monogamy, or the earnestness he initially had for each of his ex-girlfriends.

It'd be reductive to label him a "playboy" or a "manwhore"-- that's not what he's describing of himself, and what he does describe is mostly incongruous with that concept. The phenomenon he described as accompanying his interest in his ex-girlfriends also occurred for his childhood friend, so it could be said that he came to like her in that moment. He's describing a specific issue of not being able to properly love someone after the honeymoon high wears off.

So, it makes sense that he's plainly sincere and good-natured with Kanae at the start of their interactions-- that's how it would start, with him. It's also not inconsistent for him to continue to desire Kanae, since while the condition for his loss of interest isn't made obvious, it seems to be tied to when he actually has sex with the girls he likes.

Novel information can be 100% non-contradictory and still poorly fit if it doesn't link up to any part of the character as exhibited. In this case, though, this is a still-incomplete backstory that started after Kanae started having sex with Hiroshi, so what this means in the grand scheme has yet to be seen.

I can see where you're coming from but even then I think there are a few problems and inconsistencies. If that was Hiroshi's backstory and psychology, it would make sense for him not to be in a rush to seduce Kanae and would make sense for him to seem sincere.
But as far as I can remember Hiroshi in older chapters seemed more than that, he seemed inexperienced and shy or embarrassed about the idea of having sex with Kanae, and it wouldn't make sense for a teenager with quite a bit of sexual experience to be that way.

 

[BuyVelomobiles]

I didn't "basically" say what you said-- I'm disputing what you're saying, and you're pretending that we're saying the same thing.

Leave the Autism to me. I've got plenty enough for both of us.

Overall, you're arguing that he's acting like a virgin with zero sexual experience despite what we're shown in this chapter, and I'm stating that 1) he already discussed his sexual history two chapters ago, and 2) this has less to do with his virginity in the first place and more to do with the way he's historically approached intimacy, the way he's chosen to approach relationships, and the way he feels about Kanae.

A man with experience doesn't act like this. Telling me he's said he has some doesn't fix the problem. And there's nothing that the author can come up with that will explain this behavior properly. We're talking past each other.

The narrative is begging you to wonder about the cause of the change that necessarily happened between this past and the first we see of Hiroshi in the present. There's already set-up for the totality of the cause to be revealed in the very next chapter.

It can set it up by having him behave the way a man with experience behaves, and not a shy virgin boy.

Rather than insulting, your condescension makes you read like an alien from outer space masquerading as a human.

Tends to happen when you're left explaining basic Human physiology on the internet.

More realistically, I'm sure you've idealized what having sex does to those who have it. Additionally, the amount of times he's had sex with the same girl isn't even made note of-- he's not getting "repeated exposure" in the first place, even though all his past relationships (not accounting for the case of the childhood friend whose segment has yet to conclude) have ended up the same. Sexual incidents aren't completely interchangeable in the way you're implying, especially not between different women.

Having sex with multiple different women is precisely "Repeated exposure". There would be a stronger case if he was a monogamous man who's only ever been with a single woman. This isn't the first time he's done it, done it with a new woman, been propositioned, or done it with someone he's not in a relationship with.