Kimitte Watashi no Koto Suki Nandesho? - Vol. 1 Ch. 2

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kinda Sad it ended up like this after ch1’s strongish start. I’m a sucker for these stories so I’ll continue but dang hopefully it gets better or it’ll be a Waste of time in the end.

I get the intovertness & the shy PDA but even then in that situation one would think he’d go Yolo and ham it up in desperation To find a way out lol
 
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This mf doesn't lack self-confidence, he just has permanent brain damage, I'm 100% sure of it...
 
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Yeeeeeeaaaahh... I heard of that and how it impregnates their media. Kinda explain some of the vices of their society. (Just out of curiosity, do they know the concept of unions? or societal revolutions?) No question westerners look like extremely outgoing aliens to them.

I don't know the details but a quick bit of google and wikipedia shows that there is unionization but not as much of it as there used to be. Some of it will likely be part of the move away from union-heavy industries like manufacturing and into more white-collar stuff that tends not to go in that direction so much. And part of it, yes, might be because some people may see unions as unsavory since they run contrary to Japan's tendency for extreme deference to superiors. Like a "the company allows me to live my life so if I join a union that will fight against them then I'm being disloyal" sort of thing. I think it's also potentially why you don't see so many people change jobs and why there had always been all those stereotypes about "black companies" and the like, based on the idea that you can't quit because you owe the company and if you do leave nobody will hire you because you're a lazy, greedy quitter who is only out for themselves.

I'm pretty sure I've also seen that they tend to be somewhat derisive/dismissive of westerners and our tendency to be more outgoing and individualistic in some regards. But honestly in some cases they have a point. The western ideal of looking out for yourself about everyone does tend to make us more prone to being disruptive, narcissistic assholes. Just like the collectivist ideal of Japan makes them more prone to being submissive, deferential doormats. But it also comes with positive flip sides that the other country lacks. Japanese are often more willing to put up with inconvenience and soldier through adversity that a westerner might balk at or demand be changed to satisfy them even if it inconveniences or is detrimental to people around them. While a westerner might look at a situation that is truly poisonous to themselves and maybe others and be willing to stand up against a boss or co-worker who's corrupt or a jerk.

Neither is entirely right or wrong. It's mostly down to what you've lived with and are used to and embracing the positives while mitigating the negatives.

Yet in many mangas who deal with constructed fictional worlds they push of the one with the most personal initiative, even at the cost of intelligence, to win. Weird.

I think this has to do with a classical Japanese social concept called the Japanese Spirit or Yamato-damashii. It's a collection of personal virtues that is supposed to spur success and proper conduct through the lens of what Japan views as their most important or valuable traits. One of those is "seishin" or spirit/persistence which I think is what you're getting at: the ability to overcome obstacles with willpower and competitiveness and what I often derisively refer to as "the magic of wanting something really badly and trying harder". It's that ability in manga and anime where a character should be fatally damaged by an attack but persists because they need to win and fight to protect someone. Or when a character gets beaten down until they suddenly unlock a new reserve of power they didn't have before so they can rise up and defeat the villain to show that they're the superior person. It's new powers as the plot demands and 'this isn't even my final form' and 'I'll never let you win as long as I draw breath" and everything of that sort.

Because it's something applicable to the real world, more than simple natural (or often in manga and anime, supernatural) innate talent or unshakable faith in one's own correctness (which can manifest as arrogance in an extremely negative way), it is the trait that is most often prized in such stories as a means of teaching a lesson to the audience of "put your head down, work hard, and trust that everything will go alright. And if its' not then just work harder and never give up. " that is often used in the workforce or school or whatever.
That doesn't fully explain it, though. Shyness and having no confidence, like Seto in Yamcha-Gal, is one thing; this guy has such problems he's literally jeopardizing his relationship.

This guy is seto at teh beginning of Yancha Gal albeit turned up to the extreme which is my and seemingly also your annoyance with him. He's terrified to talk to the girl because he believes that he's a worthless, useless slug who has no right to be near her or he's going to say something stupid to make her hate him (a fate worse than death since he had a preexisting crush on her before the relationship started) or she's going to reveal that this was obviously all a joke from the beginning because no real respectable girl would ever want to go near a loser like him except as a prank or a punshiment game or whatever. Seto was spineless to the extreme at the start of that story, swept along with Anjou's antics because he lacked the initiative to say 'no', couldn't decipher what her intent was, and after a while honestly began to see her appealing traits while worrying that he was still too much of a worthless leech to actually have anything to offer her. It was only in the last few volumes that he's found the confidence to understand what she sees in him and also actually stand up for himself and more importantly her.

The hope would be that he gets over this to some degree in short order so they can move on to other bits of drama or conflict, but that's not guaranteed and the thickness with which they laid on all the tropey, cliche-riddled standard school rom-com bits is a bit of a red flag that we might not get there. But I guess for as much as this chapter put me off the series it might deserve a couple more entries to see if they can't right the ship.
 
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Amazing, what a terrible second chapter. I'm almost interested if it ends up being worse than Rent-a-girlfriend
 
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"Did I do something wrong?" :facepalm:

Oh god... bro, Kasumi wanted you to save her from being groped by that other girl. That was his one job as her bf in that scene. She was clearly uncomfortable with it and no, the other girl being pretty doesn't give her a free pass to do it.

Count some prime numbers? Why? Because he thought it was hot and needed to distract himself? While his girlfriend, the girl-of-his-dreams was technically getting molested? I thought he liked her, WTF was that? Latent cuckoldry?

About the only thing I liked in this chapter is the fact that (on paper) they're already dating, even if it's a "trial." But then it doesn't even feel like it. Soukichi's extreme cowardice makes it very hard to root for him. This guy is a walking mass of weak romcom protag cliches and has zero redeeming qualities right now. He's not even a bland nice guy. One of those generic nice guy potato protags would probably at least tell the other girl to stop fondling his gf. Ignoring her there was not a nice thing to do. It's one thing if they had nothing going on, but they agreed to date even as a trial. Was he intentionally written to be infuriating?

If this was a sane story we'd see her dump him in Ch. 3 and that would be the end of it. A sane girl would say he already failed his boyfriend trial for having succeeded at 0 boyfriend-ish things that day, but due to plot armor we know that isn't happening.
 
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Very little to add to this, to be honest. I think is pretty on-point about many things.
I don't know the details but a quick bit of google and wikipedia shows that there is unionization but not as much of it as there used to be. Some of it will likely be part of the move away from union-heavy industries like manufacturing and into more white-collar stuff that tends not to go in that direction so much. And part of it, yes, might be because some people may see unions as unsavory since they run contrary to Japan's tendency for extreme deference to superiors. Like a "the company allows me to live my life so if I join a union that will fight against them then I'm being disloyal" sort of thing. I think it's also potentially why you don't see so many people change jobs and why there had always been all those stereotypes about "black companies" and the like, based on the idea that you can't quit because you owe the company and if you do leave nobody will hire you because you're a lazy, greedy quitter who is only out for themselves.

Probably it's a difference of values, in the west we had revolutions either within our territory or on a neighbouring country, so we have the idea that leaders and big-wigs in general are as fallible and prone to corruption as anybody so we don't have this reverence towards leadership or seniority. In Japan, as far as I know, any societal change came from above, not upwards.

I'm pretty sure I've also seen that they tend to be somewhat derisive/dismissive of westerners and our tendency to be more outgoing and individualistic in some regards. But honestly in some cases they have a point. The western ideal of looking out for yourself about everyone does tend to make us more prone to being disruptive, narcissistic assholes. Just like the collectivist ideal of Japan makes them more prone to being submissive, deferential doormats. But it also comes with positive flip sides that the other country lacks. Japanese are often more willing to put up with inconvenience and soldier through adversity that a westerner might balk at or demand be changed to satisfy them even if it inconveniences or is detrimental to people around them. While a westerner might look at a situation that is truly poisonous to themselves and maybe others and be willing to stand up against a boss or co-worker who's corrupt or a jerk.

Neither is entirely right or wrong. It's mostly down to what you've lived with and are used to and embracing the positives while mitigating the negatives.

The problem I see is what you said: the societal pressure to adopt the ideal. Many countries do it, even in the west, and now we are aware enough of it to decry it when they try it.

I think this has to do with a classical Japanese social concept called the Japanese Spirit or Yamato-damashii. It's a collection of personal virtues that is supposed to spur success and proper conduct through the lens of what Japan views as their most important or valuable traits. One of those is "seishin" or spirit/persistence which I think is what you're getting at: the ability to overcome obstacles with willpower and competitiveness and what I often derisively refer to as "the magic of wanting something really badly and trying harder". It's that ability in manga and anime where a character should be fatally damaged by an attack but persists because they need to win and fight to protect someone. Or when a character gets beaten down until they suddenly unlock a new reserve of power they didn't have before so they can rise up and defeat the villain to show that they're the superior person. It's new powers as the plot demands and 'this isn't even my final form' and 'I'll never let you win as long as I draw breath" and everything of that sort.

Because it's something applicable to the real world, more than simple natural (or often in manga and anime, supernatural) innate talent or unshakable faith in one's own correctness (which can manifest as arrogance in an extremely negative way), it is the trait that is most often prized in such stories as a means of teaching a lesson to the audience of "put your head down, work hard, and trust that everything will go alright. And if its' not then just work harder and never give up. " that is often used in the workforce or school or whatever.

I heard about Yamato-Damashii before, and I think you derision is pretty on-point. I don't think it's actually wrong, but it leaves all the other things needed for success, like working "smart" or GASP challenging conventions. Hard work doesn't always works, and can even be detrimental.
But I guess certain people isn't interested in that such ideals reach the plebs, isn't it?

This guy is seto at teh beginning of Yancha Gal albeit turned up to the extreme which is my and seemingly also your annoyance with him. He's terrified to talk to the girl because he believes that he's a worthless, useless slug who has no right to be near her or he's going to say something stupid to make her hate him (a fate worse than death since he had a preexisting crush on her before the relationship started) or she's going to reveal that this was obviously all a joke from the beginning because no real respectable girl would ever want to go near a loser like him except as a prank or a punshiment game or whatever. Seto was spineless to the extreme at the start of that story, swept along with Anjou's antics because he lacked the initiative to say 'no', couldn't decipher what her intent was, and after a while honestly began to see her appealing traits while worrying that he was still too much of a worthless leech to actually have anything to offer her. It was only in the last few volumes that he's found the confidence to understand what she sees in him and also actually stand up for himself and more importantly her.

That's probably it, honestly. But I think Seto at least had a bit more backbone and wouldn't do the crap this guy is doing, he was facing Anjou head-on, more or less (or he tried to). Anxiety and insecurity is understandable in these cases, but there's a limit that this manga crossed with gusto. And that's what I don't stand.

The hope would be that he gets over this to some degree in short order so they can move on to other bits of drama or conflict, but that's not guaranteed and the thickness with which they laid on all the tropey, cliche-riddled standard school rom-com bits is a bit of a red flag that we might not get there. But I guess for as much as this chapter put me off the series it might deserve a couple more entries to see if they can't right the ship.

I'm not entirely sure. This chapter has set the standard pretty low, to be honest.
 
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Pretty Sad that the pacing is slow, novel got axed at volume 2 iirc, maybe that's why.
I can see that, it's generic town in here. Why are they adapting an axed LN though?

So we went from an okish first chapter that was already giving me the danger vibes to the second chapter which becmae a pure shit show. I don't expect the MC to be some Chadington McChad but not this high level of snivelling we get.

They start trialing and what does he do? Immediately hide from her all the time, dodge her very obvious clues/hints, act like a stranger, admit they are dating (This is actually fresh and I appreciate) and is suprised she angry with him.

Why would we wanna see these 2 together? What did she ever see in him? All we know so far of the MC would make him single for his entire life. If we are dealing with an axed LN then will this make up a new ending or will it just end at the LN's axed end?
 
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the likely reason the first scanlator hadn't updated since ch1 is because the quality of the raw's available is absolutely garbage.
 
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Yay! It's everyone's favorite character, the possessive lesbian best friend who tries to drive off the MC because she totally gets to make the FMC's dating decisions for her!

(/sarc, if it wasn't obvious)
 
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Promising 1st chapter, like some normal geniue romance manga for once.
But this chapter is so bad I have to drop it
Good bye
 
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Thanks so much for picking this up

Also, I fucking hate this main character. He's one of THOSE. "Oh, I'm ever so ordinary and unpopular. My beautiful girlfriend could never be treating me like I'm her boyfriend. It's the height of foolishness to think such a thing"
 
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