Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka? - Ch. 67.2

[kirby_422]

I don't even understand why she needs any time to recover much of her power in the first place. I can understand encountering difficulties with activating active powers, if the system changed entirely for her, but shouldn't he body be tougher and stronger than ever? That is, her passive powers should be better. Instead she's like a level 0 human. What kind of level up is that supposed to be? Hah. A two years time skip, and she hasn't seemingly discovered anything about her deity powers. Quite a joke upgrade.

Imagine someone never actually learned math. They used a calculator to solve everything. Now, imagine that person also didn't even need to transcribe those answers down, they just needed to actually pop that into the calculator; she's merely gotten glimpses of what some of the answers were back then (feeling the magic with her sensory skills), but she doesn't even fully know ABC=XYZ to try and reverse engineer what the calculator (system) did. There is also not quite knowing how to move the energy needed as well.

 

[Umesan]

I think the Ogre mentioned in this chapter is

Spoiler

Sasajima Kyouya, aka Wrath. Another reincarnator. I haven't read this far in the novel yet so I'm just speculating.

 

[skittles9823]

Basically Shiro been using ChatGPT to use magic for her until now, but her subscription ran out and she broke so now she has to learn everything herself

 

[sailor-erida]

The problem is to move/use the energy, she doesn't know HOW.

It look like Okina made retcon, and now Kumo used magic in the past with skill Wisdom. But actually Wisdom just give her explanation how to do it.
And even if we accept that, actually, Ariel can just buy her book about magic. That was how her classmates learning.

 

[ilusatus]

Through out this inconsistent of humanoid characters drawing quality, at least they keep baby Sophia lookd cute all the time.

 

[skittles9823]

And even if we accept that, actually, Ariel can just buy her book about magic. That was how her classmates learning.

Gods don't use magic the same way people in the system do. Imagine a programmer who has only written Python suddenly being tasked with writing an entire operating system.

 

[Gotham2298]

little elf Oka is fine. Though some elves were frozen to death in her ‘rescue’ attempt, which unfortunately doesn’t include Potimas. And I can’t wait for them to encounter Wrath!

 

[DLRevan]

It look like Okina made retcon, and now Kumo used magic in the past with skill Wisdom. But actually Wisdom just give her explanation how to do it.
And even if we accept that, actually, Ariel can just buy her book about magic. That was how her classmates learning.

I don't even understand why she needs any time to recover much of her power in the first place. I can understand encountering difficulties with activating active powers, if the system changed entirely for her, but shouldn't he body be tougher and stronger than ever? That is, her passive powers should be better. Instead she's like a level 0 human. What kind of level up is that supposed to be? Hah. A two years time skip, and she hasn't seemingly discovered anything about her deity powers. Quite a joke upgrade.

She can't just read a book, and her body isn't automatically stronger.

Any knowledge about how to use magic from this world is useless to her. All such magic in that world makes use of the System, which she can no longer use. She was already using magic the same way everyone else was in this world before her "reset".

As for her body, it's implied that even gods initially just have normal bodies, or rather they were normal people. This is why dragons factor into the larger story later on as a different kind of immortal race, one where their power, durability and immortality are natural, rather than trained or earned. To become a god, it seems that such a being is a person who constantly gathered power, learned how to actively harness it (without something like the System), and therefore reached apotheosis. Shiro meanwhile has reached apotheosis along with all the power such a being has typically accumulated...but skipped everything else. The power's useless and she doesn't even know how to use it to improve her own body.

Obviously most people will never attain that level even if they dedicated their entire lives to it. Hundreds of years, in the case of some of the other characters. Shockingly...she doesn't get anywhere in 2 years....

Upgrade? Who said it was an upgrade? That's the point....it isn't. It's her biggest obstacle yet. You know...in a story which has always been about her meeting ever greater and greater obstacles beating her down.


I personally do not like the WN version where she recovered quickly and had an already capable body. To me, that was a lot of handwaving and marked the end of much of her development, and made her motivations for relying and trusting Ariel more flaky.

 

[Kampfarsch]

Are we really to believe nothing of interest happened in 2 years? Sometimes authors arent even trying man...

 

[DMBLaan99]

I haven't read the LN, but based on the promo stuff for the anime, I'd say that elf girl is a Reincarnated and she was trying to run away from someone and not kidnap vampire girl

 

[coyote_vdb]

Well you skipped all the mysteries and resolution she has in the anime, don't complain about it now ahah

I don't complain and do not miss much, the spider part is almost completely self sufficient. The human part is essentially drama between characters with very little useful information and almost none that help understand the spider's journey. That's why the manga for me works well enough.
EDIT: I'm talking about the anime, not about the LN that I haven't read and don't plan to, to be honest.

 

[WhimsiCat]

Baby Sophia - embarrassed about the topic of sex

Teen Sophia -

 

[dasweer123]

I like to read the comments, but I guess I came early.

my apologies in advance, but... I BET YOU DID!

 

[ThreeTakeWonder]

Man, this manga's storytelling is a mess. Feels like you need to read a novel to even barely understand what's going on.

Theyre skipping a lot of the human sections which give some overarching context, but the human side was what ruined the story for me so meh

 

[Kaarme]

Imagine someone never actually learned math. They used a calculator to solve everything. Now, imagine that person also didn't even need to transcribe those answers down, they just needed to actually pop that into the calculator; she's merely gotten glimpses of what some of the answers were back then (feeling the magic with her sensory skills), but she doesn't even fully know ABC=XYZ to try and reverse engineer what the calculator (system) did. There is also not quite knowing how to move the energy needed as well.

This chapter should have at least make it look like she was trying to get the hang of it. Instead she's like a para-/tetraplegic patient. Also, she didn't live an easy life in the new world. She was fighting for her life most of her days. That took willpower and resilience. While she might now be less worried, she most certainly shouldn't be free of worries. She has gone through far too much in that world to trust that her current situation is anywhere safe. She also ought to hate to be completely at the mercy of others, seeing how she could previously only count on herself and a moment's lapse of attention could have killed her.

She can't just read a book, and her body isn't automatically stronger.

Any knowledge about how to use magic from this world is useless to her. All such magic in that world makes use of the System, which she can no longer use. She was already using magic the same way everyone else was in this world before her "reset".

As for her body, it's implied that even gods initially just have normal bodies, or rather they were normal people. This is why dragons factor into the larger story later on as a different kind of immortal race, one where their power, durability and immortality are natural, rather than trained or earned. To become a god, it seems that such a being is a person who constantly gathered power, learned how to actively harness it (without something like the System), and therefore reached apotheosis. Shiro meanwhile has reached apotheosis along with all the power such a being has typically accumulated...but skipped everything else. The power's useless and she doesn't even know how to use it to improve her own body.

Obviously most people will never attain that level even if they dedicated their entire lives to it. Hundreds of years, in the case of some of the other characters. Shockingly...she doesn't get anywhere in 2 years....

Upgrade? Who said it was an upgrade? That's the point....it isn't. It's her biggest obstacle yet. You know...in a story which has always been about her meeting ever greater and greater obstacles beating her down.


I personally do not like the WN version where she recovered quickly and had an already capable body. To me, that was a lot of handwaving and marked the end of much of her development, and made her motivations for relying and trusting Ariel more flaky.

So, does she have power or not? If she's incompatible with the magic in that world, having now a body from Earth, it means this is what she will forever be, and definitely not a god. Having watched the anime, that's not the case, though. But if she does have power, then it should manifest somehow. I can't imagine a situation where your body is overflowing with power enough to suppress a nuclear explosion, but you can't even feel it, forget about using it for anything, after two whole years.

 

[1234muse]

I don't even understand why she needs any time to recover much of her power in the first place. I can understand encountering difficulties with activating active powers, if the system changed entirely for her, but shouldn't he body be tougher and stronger than ever? That is, her passive powers should be better. Instead she's like a level 0 human. What kind of level up is that supposed to be? Hah. A two years time skip, and she hasn't seemingly discovered anything about her deity powers. Quite a joke upgrade.

gods are essentially people with a fuckton of energy, you still have to learn magecraft. shiro at this point is literally near real human level. the LN doubled down on this to an extreme extent, because as people have said, shiro's actually personally pretty good at magic, and she already has some experience with custom stuff
I think she still learned pretty quick in the LN, so a two year timeskip is a pretty big thing

This chapter should have at least make it look like she was trying to get the hang of it. Instead she's like a para-/tetraplegic patient. Also, she didn't live an easy life in the new world. She was fighting for her life most of her days. That took willpower and resilience. While she might now be less worried, she most certainly shouldn't be free of worries. She has gone through far too much in that world to trust that her current situation is anywhere safe. She also ought to hate to be completely at the mercy of others, seeing how she could previously only count on herself and a moment's lapse of attention could have killed her.


So, does she have power or not? If she's incompatible with the magic in that world, having now a body from Earth, it means this is what she will forever be, and definitely not a god. Having watched the anime, that's not the case, though. But if she does have power, then it should manifest somehow. I can't imagine a situation where your body is overflowing with power enough to suppress a nuclear explosion, but you can't even feel it, forget about using it for anything, after two whole years.

she's not incompatible with the "magic of the world" the system, for reasons that will be explained later, cannot handle gods, and shiro is completely outside of it now.
power is ephephermal it's still the same power that the system uses, just in higher quantities than anyone within the system, and she no longer has the system casting for her. as people said, the system is essentially a set of training wheels. it casts magic for everyone within it, and automatically handles basically everything

Gods don't use magic the same way people in the system do. Imagine a programmer who has only written Python suddenly being tasked with writing an entire operating system.

not even python, most people are using a GUI, shiro was using visual coding, and gods use machine code, essentially
magecraft is very different from magic(even if the results are the same)

mortals becoming gods is very rare, especially in the system, for spoiler reasons. most gods are born into it, true dragons(not within the system) are some of the most common gods I believe. being a god is a bit like investing, you need a lot of money(energy) to make money, and if you're starting from scratch, well, you're not doing anything at all

Spoiler: more god stuff

notably, mortals are incapable of using magecraft, they just simply do not have enough energy, that's essentially what separates gods from mortals, is the ability to use magecraft,and the system is very special

 

[Tarage]

I'm not gonna lie: I don't know what the story is anymore. It was real simple at the beginning: survive and become stronger. The dragon was the end boss. Now? I have no fucking clue what her goals are supposed to be, and it doesn't seem like anyone else does either. Kill the elves? What is the Demon Lord's objective? Vampire girl? Does this all feel super aimless to anyone else? There doesn't seem to be an overarching goal to this haphazard journey. Things just sort of happen.

 

[1234muse]

I'm not gonna lie: I don't know what the story is anymore. It was real simple at the beginning: survive and become stronger. The dragon was the end boss. Now? I have no fucking clue what her goals are supposed to be, and it doesn't seem like anyone else does either. Kill the elves? What is the Demon Lord's objective? Vampire girl? Does this all feel super aimless to anyone else? There doesn't seem to be an overarching goal to this haphazard journey. Things just sort of happen.

the story's starting here, this was sorta a prelude. the manga's missing a LOT of context though

 

[Tyran272]

It is the main issue of being limited to one pov, because yeah from one single pov things literally just happen.

The LN was able to present an overarching plot because it had the human reincarnation's pov. The manga doesn't have that and thus feels aimless.

 

[IlsaTilsaKilsaMilsa]

So... two years timeskip seemingly without any sort of progress of recovering her powers? What have they been doing during that time?

Travelling