Kuro no Senki II - Isekai Teni Shita Boku ga Saikyou na no wa Bed no Ue dake no You desu - Vol. 2 Ch. 8.3

[Morose]

Unfortunately for you, this isn't that kind of story. In fact, it has a lot more in common with Risou no Himo Seikatsu, only instead of starting at the very top as the queen's consort, MC has to work his way up from the bottom as the adopted son of one of the lowest-ranked nobles in the kingdom.

(I love the part in that story where the queen is apologizing to the MC for breaking her promise of keeping him from getting caught up in their politics, and then he cheerfully tells her that it's fine - he knew that was a promise that she wasn't going to be able to keep at all. The queen's shocked expression was absolutely priceless.)

Also, I don't like most of those revenge-porn stories because a lot of them completely gloss over the consequences of the MC's actions. Where as with stories like this one? It's all about the consequences.

Sorry, but if that's not to your liking, then you may wanna just drop this title and find something else.

Yeah I agree with you on this, as also someone who reads Himo/Sponger.

Every story isn't about fighting the injustice or taking down corrupted individual.
There are various aspects one has to consider before taking action, and have to present situation to avoid any conflict.

 

[Lupinal]

Normal MCs;
Oh god! World ending boss... I need to use my trumph card "Time Stop"

Kuro;
"Boobs"

 

[LunaticOverlord]

"If" the character arc really ended at that point.

There have been many stories were character arcs are split over multiple chapters at varying point of the story plot.

Currently focus on Elena isn't important, and her plot had been halted, it's just that.

Plus she failed in killing Philip, what else can she do?

And like I have been saying MC's current position doesn't allow him to easily take action against him without any possible cause.

In the previous case (in Part 1), MC only took action against a Noble, because the Princess had ordered him to do so, plus that Noble had caused him heavy losses during the War MC fought.

Here, Philip hadn't caused anything to MC yet, and whatever happened with Elena is past event and her personal revenge.

Heck one can say that MC showing off Elena in such an vulnerable state, to an egoistic person like Philip is more damaging than you would expect to that guy (though MC was also baiting to get Philip to take action against him so that he could beat him up with cause, but Philip was intelligent enough to back-off quickly and not fall for MC's trap).

At this rate, with how irrelevant she has become, she might follow the "yskyn" meme that Frieren has briefly revived.

You say it's been halted, but if not even the novels (which you seem to have at least a little knowledge about) have picked up on her arc, then it seems to have been more than just halted. She's like the infamous GS Ball.

So then by that logic, the allegedly smart Elena got outsmarted by everyone on the balcony and can't even work as a bait. If that's how it ends, she might as well just find a vial of poison to drink or something.

And with how you seem to imply that the author of the novels was more interested in having the MC hook up with the futa he met at the ball, it generally seems that the writer just forgot about Elena, after this.
Why does Elena even exist, at this point?

 

[LunaticOverlord]

Unfortunately for you, this isn't that kind of story. In fact, it has a lot more in common with Risou no Himo Seikatsu, only instead of starting at the very top as the queen's consort, MC has to work his way up from the bottom as the adopted son of one of the lowest-ranked nobles in the kingdom.

(I love the part in that story where the queen is apologizing to the MC for breaking her promise of keeping him from getting caught up in their politics, and then he cheerfully tells her that it's fine - he knew that was a promise that she wasn't going to be able to keep at all. The queen's shocked expression was absolutely priceless.)

Also, I don't like most of those revenge-porn stories because a lot of them completely gloss over the consequences of the MC's actions. Where as with stories like this one? It's all about the consequences.

Sorry, but if that's not to your liking, then you may wanna just drop this title and find something else.

Even the 8th Son made more progress in his story than this guy, in the same amount of chapters. At this rate, the whole region will fall to corruption before the MC makes any kind of meaningful progress.

Honestly, an outsider out to invade the empire to fix it would probably accomplish more in less time that this guy.

 

[Morose]

At this rate, with how irrelevant she has become, she might follow the "yskyn" meme that Frieren has briefly revived.

You say it's been halted, but if not even the novels (which you seem to have at least a little knowledge about) have picked up on her arc, then it seems to have been more than just halted. She's like the infamous GS Ball.

So then by that logic, the allegedly smart Elena got outsmarted by everyone on the balcony and can't even work as a bait. If that's how it ends, she might as well just find a vial of poison to drink or something.

And with how you seem to imply that the author of the novels was more interested in having the MC hook up with the futa he met at the ball, it generally seems that the writer just forgot about Elena, after this.
Why does Elena even exist, at this point?

I only said that her plot is currently on hold in the Manga, as it had moved forward with other plot.
I never said that Elena's plot haven't been covered yet, as i don't have much info on the LN source.
And i also said that, the Manga is cover Light Novel Vol.4 plot, while there are 14 Volumes released so far for the series, meaning that's 10 volumes worth of plot which could easily cover more of her plot.
Maybe i should try to find and see if i can find some illustration or something of the LN to see if and when Elena's arc continues.

 

[LunaticOverlord]

The situation between Naofumi, Keyaru & Kurono is quite different.

Naofumi was betrayed, so he doesn't trust anyone and does thing himself.
Plus you have to remember that, until the Queen took over control over the situation, Naofumi had a lot of trouble because of someone being in a lower political power position.

Keyaru was betrayed and exploited in such a way that it broken him mentally, leaving him with nothing but revenge in his mind.

On the other hand Kurono was suddenly got sent to this world as a young kid, and ended up being taken cared and adopted by his Dad (apparently he was suddenly sent there 4-5 years before the plot of the story started).

He never claimed to be a righteous person, but does try to help out in his own way to people who are exploited, especially the Demi-Humans. And he never was big on moral, as if he did he would have surrender to the Army attacking his land as that would have saved lives. Nor would be had slept with Layla or the Madam.

He is more rough towards Elena because she is a bit hard to control otherwise (since she is a bit of Hardcore Tsundere type).

Well he seemed like someone who valued a Japanese warrior's honor...only to then completely trample on Elena's honor. So I guess honor for him and not for her. Talk about selfish.

 

[LunaticOverlord]

I only said that her plot is currently on hold in the Manga, as it had moved forward with other plot.
I never said that Elena's plot haven't been covered yet, as i don't have much info on the LN source.
And i also said that, the Manga is cover Light Novel Vol.4 plot, while there are 14 Volumes released so far for the series, meaning that's 10 volumes worth of plot which could easily cover more of her plot.
Maybe i should try to find and see if i can find some illustration or something of the LN to see if and when Elena's arc continues.

OK, tell me if you find anything.
BTW, since the new girl has both a cock and a vagina, does the MC get creative and use that for a threesome?

 

[Morose]

Well he seemed like someone who valued a Japanese warrior's honor...only to then completely trample on Elena's honor. So I guess honor for him and not for her. Talk about selfish.

Not sure why you say that?
I never got the feeling MC ever expressed having notions of Japanese Warrior's honor.

I mean, why would he even have that notion in the first place?

He was around 13-14 years old when he was sent to the Isekai, and currently he is 16-17 years old (this is based on the fact that he was on his way to give High School entrance exam when he was sent to Isekai, and typical age for a 1st year High School student in Japan is 15+).

Plus, it has already been showcased that MC didn't shy away from making cowardly tactics in order to win.
I mean, just go and read the available chapters of Part I, and you would see a lot of it.

 

[Morose]

OK, tell me if you find anything.

Checked few of the illustrations and Chapters List for the 14 Volumes, doesn't seem anything obvious in them.
Though i would say that, the plot of Manga Chapter 8 is covered in LN Vol.3, and Elena was on it's Cover.
And after that Elena is again on Cover of LN Vol.10, so maybe she gets focus in that volume?

And as the Fan-translation which is freely available isn't that ahead (it's only at LN Vol.5 point), can't really say what's much ahead.

 

[LunaticOverlord]

Not sure why you say that?
I never got the feeling MC ever expressed having notions of Japanese Warrior's honor.

I mean, why would he even have that notion in the first place?

He was around 13-14 years old when he was sent to the Isekai, and currently he is 16-17 years old (this is based on the fact that he was on his way to give High School entrance exam when he was sent to Isekai, and typical age for a 1st year High School student in Japan is 15+).

Plus, it has already been showcased that MC didn't shy away from making cowardly tactics in order to win.
I mean, just go and read the available chapters of Part I, and you would see a lot of it.

Well, fighting over surrendering is a very old-timey warrior thing. You see that a lot in samurai stories.

 

[LunaticOverlord]

Checked few of the illustrations and Chapters List for the 14 Volumes, doesn't seem anything obvious in them.
Though i would say that, the plot of Manga Chapter 8 is covered in LN Vol.3, and Elena was on it's Cover.
And after that Elena is again on Cover of LN Vol.10, so maybe she gets focus in that volume?

And as the Fan-translation which is freely available isn't that ahead (it's only at LN Vol.5 point), can't really say what's much ahead.

So by that logic, she'll only return in the manga at around chapter 27 or something like that.
Yikes.

 

[BlackAeronaut]

Even the 8th Son made more progress in his story than this guy, in the same amount of chapters. At this rate, the whole region will fall to corruption before the MC makes any kind of meaningful progress.

Honestly, an outsider out to invade the empire to fix it would probably accomplish more in less time that this guy.

Fall? Fall from what? What horrible threat is there that will cause the entire region to fall? Are we reading the same story here?

Also, Eighth Son is also a very different beast. MC in that one is so freakishly powerful that the kingdom is trying to do everything in their power to keep him on their side.

Chrono here? He's got a good power-set and great tactical acumen, but he's otherwise disposable as far as the kingdom is concerned. This was born out at the start of the first series where he was not just put on the front lines, but put there to be canon fodder, more or less.

 

[Morose]

Well, fighting over surrendering is a very old-timey warrior thing. You see that a lot in samurai stories.

Fighting over Surrender, is something else altogether, and doesn't really prove that he follows some warrior moral or something.

The warrior notion you mention is more towards, "i would rather die than be defeated or captured by my enemies, even if it meant everyone in my family and my friends die"

On the other hand, MC's notion is "i would fight to the death using any method, but I would survive & win, so that those who are close to me stay safe and live on for another day"

Aka., MC just fought, because he didn't want to die or let his people die. That isn't something related to some Japanese warrior's honor stuff.
It is just basic survival instinct.

And to achieve his goals, MC even used any dirty tactic possible (you can see that in the Part 1 of the Manga).

 

[Morose]

Even the 8th Son made more progress in his story than this guy, in the same amount of chapters. At this rate, the whole region will fall to corruption before the MC makes any kind of meaningful progress.

Honestly, an outsider out to invade the empire to fix it would probably accomplish more in less time that this guy.

How would a country fall from corruption on the level we see with Elena's backstory?
That was an family internal power struggle, not something that would affect the nation at its core.

The most corruption we have seen so far in the story is a case of embezzlement. That's all.
It's not on the level that would cause a nation to collapse.

Also, are you seriously comparing MC of 8th Son with MC of this series?
The power scale is different between the two, so is the situation with allies of MC in that series.

Plus, 8th Son MC had great luck on his side (being able to meet the Ghost of such an OP mage who became his teacher). And he had other benefits as well, like he was Reborn in that world as a child, so he had 15 years of training and learning time before he went independent, plus he was 25+ in his old life.

On the other hand, MC of this series doesn't have such a great ability to make him distinguished enough, and was suddenly thrown into Isekai at the age of 13-14. Aka., he had just 3 years of experience in this world, and you expect him to achieve stuff on level of 8th Son MC?
There is also the fact that academical MC was weak as well, which had made his adoptive father fear that MC might fail to even pass the military school. Not to forget, he was also suddenly thrown to fight at the border with other similar fodder people to serve as a disposable army against the enemy.

 

[ArcLife]

Now take her to the bedroom and make babies

 

[LunaticOverlord]

Fall? Fall from what? What horrible threat is there that will cause the entire region to fall? Are we reading the same story here?

Also, Eighth Son is also a very different beast. MC in that one is so freakishly powerful that the kingdom is trying to do everything in their power to keep him on their side.

Chrono here? He's got a good power-set and great tactical acumen, but he's otherwise disposable as far as the kingdom is concerned. This was born out at the start of the first series where he was not just put on the front lines, but put there to be canon fodder, more or less.

Well, if guys like Philip can thrive, then there's not much of a future for that world. A system that gives HIM free reign is a despotic dystopia in the making.

 

[LunaticOverlord]

Fighting over Surrender, is something else altogether, and doesn't really prove that he follows some warrior moral or something.

The warrior notion you mention is more towards, "i would rather die than be defeated or captured by my enemies, even if it meant everyone in my family and my friends die"

On the other hand, MC's notion is "i would fight to the death using any method, but I would survive & win, so that those who are close to me stay safe and live on for another day"

Aka., MC just fought, because he didn't want to die or let his people die. That isn't something related to some Japanese warrior's honor stuff.
It is just basic survival instinct.

And to achieve his goals, MC even used any dirty tactic possible (you can see that in the Part 1 of the Manga).

Yet here, he just lets the worst guy in the room leave to cause more harm.
At this rate, the 10th volume will start with something like "Philip just usurped the throne" or some nasty turn of event like that.

 

[LunaticOverlord]

How would a country fall from corruption on the level we see with Elena's backstory?
That was an family internal power struggle, not something that would affect the nation at its core.

The most corruption we have seen so far in the story is a case of embezzlement. That's all.
It's not on the level that would cause a nation to collapse.

Also, are you seriously comparing MC of 8th Son with MC of this series?
The power scale is different between the two, so is the situation with allies of MC in that series.

Plus, 8th Son MC had great luck on his side (being able to meet the Ghost of such an OP mage who became his teacher). And he had other benefits as well, like he was Reborn in that world as a child, so he had 15 years of training and learning time before he went independent, plus he was 25+ in his old life.

On the other hand, MC of this series doesn't have such a great ability to make him distinguished enough, and was suddenly thrown into Isekai at the age of 13-14. Aka., he had just 3 years of experience in this world, and you expect him to achieve stuff on level of 8th Son MC?
There is also the fact that academical MC was weak as well, which had made his adoptive father fear that MC might fail to even pass the military school. Not to forget, he was also suddenly thrown to fight at the border with other similar fodder people to serve as a disposable army against the enemy.

Well, from what I saw from the raws (which I didn't really understand due to not being able to read it), SOMETHING happens to the princess which I assume is pretty bad. So I'm pretty sure Elena's backstory is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Morose]

Well, from what I saw from the raws (which I didn't really understand due to not being able to read it), SOMETHING happens to the princess which I assume is pretty bad. So I'm pretty sure Elena's backstory is just the tip of the iceberg.

Basically, the King dies. And because of a mistake on his Mistress part, her own naive Son ends up becoming the King.

And those who are against the current Queen take advantage of the situation to not allow the Princess (Queen's daughter) on the Throne, and use the naive Son of the Mistress as a Puppet King to control the nation. The Princess understanding the situation tries to fight back but is subdued by Rio, as their relationship is a bit complicated.

Those other nobles next manipulate the young naive King to declare war on the neighbouring nation, which forces MC to move out as well since he is a border noble.

Later on during the campaign MC uses the help of the Twin Elf girls to contact a Elf village, but later a higher ranking Noble tries to go after an Elf girl, which makes the Twin Elf girls retaliate and cut-off the Noble's nose.
So those Twin-Elf girls end up on trial and execution for harming a Noble and MC tries to stop that from happening.

 

[Morose]

Yet here, he just lets the worst guy in the room leave to cause more harm.
At this rate, the 10th volume will start with something like "Philip just usurped the throne" or some nasty turn of event like that.

I won't call Philip the worst guy.

Yeah, he took advantage of the situation that Elena's Uncle created, but in the end he is a vain person who was just jealous of Elena.

Technically he isn't harmful yet to MC, and it's also possible that he would remain a minor background character in the future as well.

Also, the LN Volume 10 focus is just my assumption based on the cover art.
It's possible that Philip's plot (if there is more) could be covered before that volume as well.

Also it would be better if you focus on the Title of this Series, as that would give more idea on where the Series is headed with its primary plot.