Honestly brother, anyone arguing that this bitch is a paid whore at this point is ridiculous to say the least. Cause if she wasn't a whore she wouldn't be wolfing down the neighbour's dick and then wake up masturbating to Naoto.
Who's the manga for seriously. What kind of sick cuck audience is the author trying to please. Is this self fulfilment?
God damnit man I am so angry with spending my time on this. And there are still ppl coping this is not a cuck story but a "misunderstanding"!!! How do you misunderstand French fucking kissing??? And speaking to somebody after hydrating from maid cosplay sex with that same somebody?
I feel you and you put it in better words than I could, it makes me wonder if some japanese authors (usually smaller ones though) aren't banking on misconception.
Think about it, if you want to see it, you can keep reading it to see what you want to see, whether is the MC being a cuck, or more smut, or to see him getting her/saving her, whatever, that way you can hook a diverse crowd compared to how it would have been if you had come out clean about the content of this story.
Honestly it all feels "up in the air", especially since the MC is confined within his own mental cage and will have to be pushed by outside forces to do anything.
I for one am curious to know what happens, but I'll just put this in a list and wait however many years it takes, no need to get burned.
So not only is she an absolute dick loving whore, but she's also a lying bitch cause she did nothing but hiding everything till this point. Even minutes ago before stating she didn't want to hide anything she fucking hid the guy she was kissing.
The story made it clear that she doesn't want to hide things because of his sulking. not because she plain doesn't want to hide things. The implication being that if he never saw anything suspicious, and didn't sulk, she'd keep hiding things from him.
Honestly brother, anyone arguing that this bitch is a paid whore at this point is ridiculous to say the least. Cause if she wasn't a whore she wouldn't be wolfing down the neighbour's dick and then wake up masturbating to Naoto.
Who's the manga for seriously. What kind of sick cuck audience is the author trying to please. Is this self fulfilment?
God damnit man I am so angry with spending my time on this. And there are still ppl coping this is not a cuck story but a "misunderstanding"!!! How do you misunderstand French fucking kissing??? And speaking to somebody after hydrating from maid cosplay sex with that same somebody?
The mangaka clearly wants to bait us into thinking she's a whore, but then didn't consider that he's blocking off every innocent explanation. If his idea was to tell us this was all one big misunderstanding, Chapter 4 was him overplaying his hand. It's almost as bad as the early chapters of ItaiAmai.
I bet you that the next bait is gonna be that he sees her clean up protein drinks from her mouth ala Itaiamai, I swear this author must be a fan of Ryoh-Zoh.
Holy shit... I just saw what this Itaiamai is.... Disgusting... And 100% what's going to happen here. Fucking disgusting man, is anyone even reading that story?
I read the synopsis then the top comments and I couldn't even bring myself to open the first page. Wtf...
Look, if you can tell me what your first language is, I might be able to just use that to explain it to you. I speak English natively, fluent Spanish, and conversational Japanese. English clearly isn't your first, and that's making it even harder for you to understand basic sentences. B and C are fucking: That's the point of the flow chart. The fact that you didn't understand that when it's being laid out in the easiest possible way to understand is a serious issue.
You couldn't even follow me when I brought up "不倫" and "浮気": We literally can't have a conversation like this.
I admit that english is not my first language. But I would like to point out that the chart is completely useless without the notes on the E-Hentai page, which you didn't bother to post, namely: There is a friendly/familiar or reciprocal relationship between A and B, and B has sex with a third party C. A does not consent to it or is unaware of the activity. So, nah. Do a better job at argumenting your point, not blame others for your shortcomings.
Now, you are of course entitled to believe anything you want, but I find the fact that the entries on that wiki are no older than september 2023 quite suspicious.
Netorare has been with us since 2010 (perhaps longer) and all the dictionaries, wikis and definitions I can find + my understanding* of the term are dead set on the estabilished relationship between A and B, so in my opinion your source is just localized attempt to redefine the term Netorare and nothing else. You are free to disagree, but at this point there isn't much you can say to change my opinion.
*and I'm not alone, just look at the replies in this thread.
The story made it clear that she doesn't want to hide things because of his sulking. not because she plain doesn't want to hide things. The implication being that if he never saw anything suspicious, and didn't sulk, she'd keep hiding things from him.
The mangaka clearly wants to bait us into thinking she's a whore, but then didn't consider that he's blocking off every innocent explanation. If his idea was to tell us this was all one big misunderstanding, Chapter 4 was him overplaying his hand. It's almost as bad as the early chapters of ItaiAmai.
But from what I read in Itaiamai she actually, truly cucks the MC and fucks another guy in the latest chapter. And apparently she was getting fondled and stuff, by other men, in several chapters so all the NTR bait lead to actual NTR.
Equally in Zingnize the FMC keeps getting used as rape bait and when you think that's going to just stay bait, boom, she gets actually and undeniably raped by one of the evil guys.
My experience from manga made me thoroughly believe that too much baiting of something is actually build up for the actual deed.
Wtf is up with everyone considering this NTR??? Luna owes nothing romantically to Kiyoshi and they're both adults. A woman can care and show affection for another man while seeing another man, that shit is called common courtesy. The only reasonable way I can see someone considering this being NTR is if they've never been in a situation where they had to discuss this very specific problem with anyone or are so deluded by NTR plotlines that they cannot fathom the idea of a girl showing affection for another male when they already have a significant other. If the last few pages are anything to go by, she's even taking steps to be transparent about her actions with Kiyoshi, something I rarely see in manga.
TL;DR: She can have sex with whoever she wants, and try to imagine how you would deal with and bring up the problem of hearing someone like your sister doing the deed.
Umm.. Does your sister wake up and masturbate calling your name to show you, her "affection"?? Cause if she does then bro, get help for her.
Jokes aside, her "affection" to the MC is not sisterly. Or at least it's not anymore. So if you condone a woman, having a significant other and also flirt other men with the intention to fuck them, then I am sorry for being blunt but: Wtf is wrong with you and your logic?
Luna wants to fuck Naoto, and there's literally 0% doubt about that. The only argument ppl are still having is if she's actually fucking somebody else already and just wants to add him to her fuck list.
Theres something way off here.
First, FMC acts too flirty and touchy with MC, like she seems obviously interested. But maybe she was always like that with him and hasnt gotten used to the fact MC is not a little kid anymore?
Even so, its kinda sus for her to act like that when she presumably has a partner. Which despite everything seems likely with that scene at the door that truly looked like a kiss.
So either we got trolled and the "person" inside is actually just a dog and the moaning was she doinga camshow or somehting... which seems very unlikely that MC wouldnt notice an animal walking and barking around.
...but is also weird MC hasnt noticed another human (because it could even be a woman instead of a guy) walking around the place.
Also, why is everyone calling FMC a slut (the chance that she is)?
Beyond how close she acts with MC, the plot here is the chance she has a boyfriend. It has never been implied she is just sleeping around with different people. It's presumibly always the same.
Not but really, how do you call a woman that fucks one man, but gets touchy-feel, flirty with another man and also masturbates thinking about said other man and not her boyfriend?
I am genuinely curious to hear the word you would use.
I admit that english is not my first language. But I would like to point out that the chart is completely useless without the notes on the E-Hentai page, which you didn't bother to post, namely: There is a friendly/familiar or reciprocal relationship between A and B, and B has sex with a third party C. A does not consent to it or is unaware of the activity. So, nah. Do a better job at argumenting your point, not blame others for your shortcomings.
Now, you are of course entitled to believe anything you want, but I find the fact that the entries on that wiki are no older than september 2023 quite suspicious.
Netorare has been with us since 2010 (perhaps longer) and all the dictionaries, wikis and definitions I can find + my understanding* of the term are dead set on the estabilished relationship between A and B, so in my opinion your source is just localized attempt to redefine the term Netorare and nothing else. You are free to disagree, but at this point there isn't much you can say to change my opinion.
*and I'm not alone, just look at the replies in this thread.
Okay guys srsly now, to everyone saying "um technically this is not NTR" Does it matter??? If she's fucking another guy while actively seducing Naoto (and pleaaaase let's at least agree that's quite obvious, cause I am about to pluck my eyes out of their sockets and juggle them with the shite cope replies I am reading) does it make it more acceptable because it's technically not NTR if they are not in a relationship?
This is disgusting behavior and frankly If I see a protagonist getting treated like that, even if it's not proper NTR, I want to be a bro and tell him to get the fuck out of there. What? Are we clapping for for whore that fucks a man and tries to seduce another? "you go girl, chomp down all those dicks, don't get stuck with just one! Female empowerment!"
Like really guys??? She's flirting with him, she's masturbating calling his name. He had a crush on her since he was little and he is clearly, yes very clearly, still crushing on her, but also realises he's too late for that. Stop coping and stop promoting this bitch in a positive manner. We are men, I wouldn't fuck a bro's woman even if she was the hottest girl on earth. Have some decency. Don't promote thottery.
The Luna he admired in the past was neat, beautiful and mature... and now she apparently became a slut!? Night after night, he hears her seductive and unladylike moans, and it's making Naoto horny. There are also other men she's unreasonably close to besides him.
From the manga synopsis, why you all complaining about her being a slut or there possibly being other men?
I'll spoil the Manga
it'll be revealed that the reason she's a slut is because the boyfriend in this chapter's flashback was just a playboy and persuaded her to fuck his friends, since she was really in love and he was her first boyfriend she agreed, fast forward to current time and all her relationships have been like that, bad guys, players, etc...
At some point the main character will either become a cuck and accept her fucking other man or discover her troubled past and help her recover and understand normal love/relationships.
So either "Entanglement: My truth and your lies" (or the original hentai) or "When I Returned to My Hometown, My Childhood Friend was Broken"
Okay guys srsly now, to everyone saying "um technically this is not NTR" Does it matter??? If she's fucking another guy while actively seducing Naoto (and pleaaaase let's at least agree that's quite obvious, cause I am about to pluck my eyes out of their sockets and juggle them with the shite cope replies I am reading) does it make it more acceptable because it's technically not NTR if they are not in a relationship?
This is disgusting behavior and frankly If I see a protagonist getting treated like that, even if it's not proper NTR, I want to be a bro and tell him to get the fuck out of there. What? Are we clapping for for whore that fucks a man and tries to seduce another? "you go girl, chomp down all those dicks, don't get stuck with just one! Female empowerment!"
Like really guys??? She's flirting with him, she's masturbating calling his name. He had a crush on her since he was little and he is clearly, yes very clearly, still crushing on her, but also realises he's too late for that. Stop coping and stop promoting this bitch in a positive manner. We are men, I wouldn't fuck a bro's woman even if she was the hottest girl on earth. Have some decency. Don't promote thottery.
In all fairness, their relationship is toxic af, but that's mostly because they're not being honest with each other. The guy really should ask what is the source of her moans (and he had perfect opportunity to do so in this chapter), while at the same time the girl should be clear about her... adventures, if she wants to have some sort of relationship with the dude.
Holy shit... I just saw what this Itaiamai is.... Disgusting... And 100% what's going to happen here. Fucking disgusting man, is anyone even reading that story?
I read the synopsis then the top comments and I couldn't even bring myself to open the first page. Wtf...
The worst part? Everyone breaks character to NTR MC in chapter 29 and the story just lets it go. I cannot describe to you how fucked up the situation it happens in is. a solid chunk of the people reading it literally don't know what NTR is and would deny it if it happened directly in front of their eyes (Which they did).
I admit that english is not my first language. But I would like to point out that the chart is completely useless without the notes on the E-Hentai page, which you didn't bother to post, namely: There is a friendly/familiar or reciprocal relationship between A and B, and B has sex with a third party C. A does not consent to it or is unaware of the activity. So, nah. Do a better job at argumenting your point, not blame others for your shortcomings.
The notes are right there. On the picture. The entire flowchart is self-explanatory. The only reason you find it confusing is because it's a foreign language. I know what that's like, but I wouldn't blame a native because I happened to not understand something he laid out for me so perfectly.
Netorare has been with us since 2010 (perhaps longer) and all the dictionaries, wikis and definitions I can find + my understanding* of the term are dead set on the estabilished relationship between A and B, so in my opinion your source is just localized attempt to redefine the term Netorare and nothing else. You are free to disagree, but at this point there isn't much you can say to change my opinion.
It's not. And it never has been. This is yet another case of you not speaking a language, and failing to understand what anyone is saying. Like I said: They have words for cheating. If they meant "cheating", they'd say one of those. The term "netorare" is meant to capture that feeling that someone you felt possessive of, that be it a crush, a friend, or a relative, ends up sleeping with someone else. The reason the stories are tagged as NTR is because they feature that exact situation. The audience is supposed to put itself in the shoes of the "loser" in this case and feel it either with him or for him.
But from what I read in Itaiamai she actually, truly cucks the MC and fucks another guy in the latest chapter. And apparently she was getting fondled and stuff, by other men, in several chapters so all the NTR bait lead to actual NTR.
Early on RZ overplayed his hand and had her behave in ways that are objectionable all on their own (The neighbor grabbing her ass sticks out to me). But later on, even the author drops the pretense and has a whole B plot as a parallel to the NTR that we're seeing so he has an excuse to feature sex in that chapter (it wasn't the exact last one. It was 29 out of 32) and also have a third party outright tell us that "They can't play it off this time", unlike all those other times, where it was bait.
The whole NTR situation is a grim, relatively realistic depiction of a mind break. They drugged her, seduced her, and, yeah, she did it of her own free will too (Since the drugs weren't that effective, according to them). And there was literally no need for it, since it spits in the face of everything the manga set up until that point. MC sees this as it's happening and... we just move in instantly after a brief "My feelings are hurt" page.
A simple blindfold, and some flashbacks of Sensei getting there to mislead the audience would let us think she's being fondled by some guy in the studio, only to let us switch to Sensei's perspective where he was there from the start and she just didn't know it.
From the manga synopsis, why you all complaining about her being a slut or there possibly being other men?
I'll spoil the Manga
it'll be revealed that the reason she's a slut is because the boyfriend in this chapter's flashback was just a playboy and persuaded her to fuck his friends, since she was really in love and he was her first boyfriend she agreed, fast forward to current time and all her relationships have been like that, bad guys, players, etc...
At some point the main character will either become a cuck and accept her fucking other man or discover her troubled past and help her recover and understand normal love/relationships.
So either "Entanglement: My truth and your lies" (or the original hentai) or "When I Returned to My Hometown, My Childhood Friend was Broken"
I wonder how much more convoluted her reasoning for not telling him she's in a relationship with someone she doesn't keep secrets from him so him won't sulk won't tell him why she is making sex moans all most every night which are obvious. It's the same story with the mc won't tell her he can hear her even though she knows didn't say anything about her kissing someone she doesn't want him to see. At least we now have the new girl who likes to bite now to change things up a bit
I wonder how much more convoluted her reasoning for not telling him she's in a relationship with someone she doesn't keep secrets from him so him won't sulk won't tell him why she is making sex moans all most every night which are obvious. It's the same story with the mc won't tell her he can hear her even though she knows didn't say anything about her kissing someone she doesn't want him to see. At least we now have the new girl who likes to bite now to change things up a bit
It suggests that the sex moans and the kiss are unrelated, which makes it all even more convoluted, if you think about it. The sex moans she just ignores, despite them being the big, obvious thing. The kiss? That one's such a pressing issue she feels the need to push whoever that was inside and dwell on it at the very end with god knows who.
The notes are right there. On the picture. The entire flowchart is self-explanatory. The only reason you find it confusing is because it's a foreign language. I know what that's like, but I wouldn't blame a native because I happened to not understand something he laid out for me so perfectly.
Find me the sentence I'm quoting on the chart. ~ It's not here and, unfortunately, it's important to understand the flow of the chart. "Start" as the description of the original state is simply insufficient.
It's not me not understanding the language, it's you making a wrong assumption that the other party is as informed as you are and failing to provide a context for your argument.
It's not. And it never has been. This is yet another case of you not speaking a language, and failing to understand what anyone is saying. Like I said: They have words for cheating. If they meant "cheating", they'd say one of those. The term "netorare" is meant to capture that feeling that someone you felt possessive of, that be it a crush, a friend, or a relative, ends up sleeping with someone else. The reason the stories are tagged as NTR is because they feature that exact situation. The audience is supposed to put itself in the shoes of the "loser" in this case and feel it either with him or for him.
It is and always has been and looking at responses here, it seems to me that what's everyone is saying but you. Like i said, you are not going to convince me with such arguments.
Find me the sentence I'm quoting on the chart. ~ It's not here and, unfortunately, it's important to understand the flow of the chart. "Start" as the description of the original state is simply insufficient.
It's not me not understanding the language, it's you making a wrong assumption that the other party is as informed as you are and failing to provide a context for your argument.
This may be an IQ problem, honestly. Start with three people. Does A like B? Yes. Are A and B in a relationship? No Did B have sex with C? Yes. Then it's Netorare. If you need more information than that, you either don't speak the language enough to understand, or you're actually too dumb to understand in the first place.
It is and always has been and looking at responses here, it seems to me that what's everyone is saying but you. Like i said, you are not going to convince me with such arguments.
Between your low IQ and lack of English skills, I'm not going to convince you no matter what I say. You can't follow a simple flow chart without even MORE explanations. At least everyone else just insists the chart is wrong. You're actually having trouble reading it in the first place.
Yes, he has jealousy... but it's the same jealousy he felt when he was a little boy and thought of her as a big sister...
So he's feeling (for now) a mix of brotherly affection and immature jealousy along with sexual attraction.
But that sexual attraction is more because she's hot and the way she's dressing and the noises he's hearing at night than him actually wanting to be a couple with her
This may be an IQ problem, honestly. Start with three people. Does A like B? Yes. Are A and B in a relationship? No Did B have sex with C? Yes. Then it's Netorare. If you need more information than that, you either don't speak the language enough to understand, or you're actually too dumb to understand in the first place.
