Kusunoki-san wa Koukou Debut ni Shippai shite Iru - Vol. 1 Ch. 4 - This is all because of her misleading words

[DeaObliDex]

There's also the "All the women in my life betrayed me, thus I became apathetic towards all people" trope. Although I mainly found that type in WN/LN, they sometimes start off strong and just become very uninteresting pretty quickly (or have a complete tonal shift from psycological tragedy to diabetic romcom).

Tbh. It is the most incel thing. Like bruh just because you experience traumatic sht that literally changes your perception in real life, then there is a certain genuine person who tried to befriend or even be kind towards them. Then the person who is traumatized just LITERALLY BUILD A FKING WALL and distance, is cold towards them and do an executioner mindset, and doesn't want to be friends with them. I literally cannot stand their logic.
From I'm hurt so therefore imma build walls to protect myself to imma hurt people who try to approach me even if they have a genuine and sincere.

 

[rayce]

I fill the void of my nonexistent love life with romance manga knowing i will never know this love.

Use to do that with visual novels. Tears you up inside.

 

[_coon_feetus_yeet]

Tbh. It is the most incel thing. Like bruh just because you experience traumatic sht that literally changes your perception in real life, then there is a certain genuine person who tried to befriend or even be kind towards them. Then the person who is traumatized just LITERALLY BUILD A FKING WALL and distance, is cold towards them and do an executioner mindset, and doesn't want to be friends with them. I literally cannot stand their logic.
From I'm hurt so therefore imma build walls to protect myself to imma hurt people who try to approach me even if they have a genuine and sincere.

its less the logic behind the thinking and more why do so many mangakas have to use it in their stories. its just a terrible characterization. its so lame and frustrating to have to sit through.

 

[TNT261]

I want to be cool in high school and have friends but I don't want to be friends with the cutest girl in the class anymore...

K?

On the flipside:

"I want to be cute in highschool and learn how to make friends, but I refuse to try talking with my only friend's friends and I'm kinda angry he called about the main purpose of us being friends and exchanging contact information."

I mean granted the guy that wanted to meet her seems like a superficial pervert only into her due to her looks and probably has ulterior motives that goes beyond being friends, but I'm gonna assume that she doesn't know that, which makes her turning him down so fast kinda suspicious. That said the MC almost definitely should have started with helping her make friends with other girls (but then we run into the problem of him being uncomfortable around girls and not wanting female relations to begin with).

Actually now that I think about it they're kinda trash partners for the goal of helping the FL make friends...

 

[TNT261]

they are supposed to be kids and they are acting like kids. Kids are fucking stupid and its normal.
Only annoying thing about this manga and whole lot others is;
All of them has these dipshit backround characters going "WOW DUDE YOU KNOW SO AND SO GIRL, IM SO JEALOUS MAN!"
Its clearly there to up your ego and show readers the value of "so and so".
But who the fuck talks like that irl.
Its even more annoying when its an established character does it, side character or wingman and such.
Now i ve never been in japan and never seen real living breathing japanese kids(thank god) so in reality i really dont know if they really do have these retarded convos.
But whenever i see mangakas do this shit,( either backround characters "whispering" about it or directly screaming at MCs face)
i wanna punch my monitor.
Its the most retarded obnoxious thing i swear. Beta cuck dickless MCs second that in my book. that fucking bad.

I'm kinda curious where the concept of these popularity rankings in Japanese schools comes from. Like you said, I've never experienced any K through 12 education where everyone talks about the prettiest or second prettiest or third prettiest girl in school. Much less one where everyone openly talks about it and glares at you when you talk to them like a normal person and not some weird groupie.

It's especially strange when you consider that middle and highschool students in Japan are generally more pre-occupied with studying for entrance exams than popularity contests. I do know Japanese society and early education are incredibly problematic and kinda cutthroat with public rankings and mass conformity, but I still can't imagine where cuteness rankings appear in this, though I also haven't gone through middle and high school in Japan, so who knows?

I almost want to say it's just a trope from visual novels but that still doesn't feel right. Logistically it does serve to raise stakes and introduce artificial drama using a basic social hierarchy so even if it makes so sense I can see why it's done, but I'm really curious where it comes from.

 

[malfoym]

Trauma against one girl it not. No excuse to be a dick for no reason to a girl who's just being genuinely nice. There comes a point when trauma stops being an excuse in certain situations

do you know how traumas work? also they are teenagers donkey. you should think out of the box how others perspective work. its his first time a girl doesnt provoke his trauma and his socially inept and no confidence, thats how his body mechanism works. give him time to develop like a normal person instead of downplaying a literal kid growing up. or maybe you should grow up instead 😕

 

[WinterknightX]

Ahh shit , here we go......

 

[windfang]

If it were me I would put her in a far away place from those template stupid guy friend.

 

[DaDingo]

Trauma against one girl it not. No excuse to be a dick for no reason to a girl who's just being genuinely nice. There comes a point when trauma stops being an excuse in certain situations

Wasn't the reason Mc was traumatized by her was because she acted "genuinely nice" to him then he figured out that was a lie?

And she was the only pretty girl that he really talked to in middle school...so by immature logic he kinda threw every pretty girl into the category of untrustworthy backstabbers.

if I remembered correctly with this then its kinda understandable but wrong to be so untrusting of pretty girls as to the Mc its a stereotype, the only way to fix this is to simply meet and get to know other pretty girls which IS happening in the story.

 

[D00T]

I gotta say I'm loving all of these romance titles with pretty artwork another one like chieri's love is 8 metres

 

[ysil69]

On the flipside:

"I want to be cute in highschool and learn how to make friends, but I refuse to try talking with my only friend's friends and I'm kinda angry he called about the main purpose of us being friends and exchanging contact information."

I mean granted the guy that wanted to meet her seems like a superficial pervert only into her due to her looks and probably has ulterior motives that goes beyond being friends, but I'm gonna assume that she doesn't know that, which makes her turning him down so fast kinda suspicious. That said the MC almost definitely should have started with helping her make friends with other girls (but then we run into the problem of him being uncomfortable around girls and not wanting female relations to begin with).

Actually now that I think about it they're kinda trash partners for the goal of helping the FL make friends...

The difference is she genuinely likes the MC. So to her, there's no reason to keep expanding her circle. She accomplished her goal. She doesn't want to hang out with any other guy because she likes the MC, having him tell her to hang out with some playboy from class is a shot to the gut.

Imagine a girl you like trying to set you up with another girl.

 

[EliotGove]

Wasn't the reason Mc was traumatized by her was because she acted "genuinely nice" to him then he figured out that was a lie?

And she was the only pretty girl that he really talked to in middle school...so by immature logic he kinda threw every pretty girl into the category of untrustworthy backstabbers.

if I remembered correctly with this then its kinda understandable but wrong to be so untrusting of pretty girls as to the Mc its a stereotype, the only way to fix this is to simply meet and get to know other pretty girls which IS happening in the story.

i can understand what you mean and i get that he was traumatized by that girl who was fake with him, but even then having been through that he seems socially adept enough with his friends that he should be able to distinguish how hes blowing her is in a real insensitve way. At least thats my take from it from seeing how hes able to comunicate well with them. seems just strange how he cant notice how is actions towards her are rude even if he is a teenager.

 

[EliotGove]

do you know how traumas work? also they are teenagers donkey. you should think out of the box how others perspective work. its his first time a girl doesnt provoke his trauma and his socially inept and no confidence, thats how his body mechanism works. give him time to develop like a normal person instead of downplaying a literal kid growing up. or maybe you should grow up instead 😕

yeah i understand how trauma works, having experienced it socially myself with girls. Im just saying just from seeing how he socializes he seems knowledgable enough to know that how hes acting is wrong. i just find it weird how hes. And concerning the trauma, yes it is not wrong to have truma but i personally thing its wrong to use it as a ecxuse for all his negative actions towards women.

 

[Erbakhan]

Sigh, this guy

 

[SamuraiJack07]

Bro got no rizz 🥲

 

[lesseffective]

Imagine a girl you like trying to set you up with another girl

John Lennon still giving me hope through his words all these years later...

 

[lesseffective]

I gotta say I'm loving all of these romance titles with pretty artwork another one like chieri's love is 8 metres

Embrace the magnetism of cinnamon rolls and be blessed.

 

[Doutorfunga]

i am so sick and tired of the mc being a pathetic twat with some annoying ass excuse "i got done dirty by girls when i was young and now i dont wanna stand" out or some bs like that. im noticing a sudden surge in these types too wtf is going on.

MD's not recommending you enough "I-was-a-lame-otaku-got-isekaid-and-now-every-female-needs-to-mate-with-my-OP-self" series, I suppose

 

[Gustbk]

I do know Japanese society and early education are incredibly problematic and kinda cutthroat with public rankings and mass conformity, but I still can't imagine where cuteness rankings appear in this, though I also haven't gone through middle and high school in Japan, so who knows?

I think it’s along that line of thought, teenagers and kids especially enjoy creating patterns and boxing things/people in them, that why even elementary school kids are fascinated by rankings/tier lists and quantifying completely arbitrary things.

All of this is to say that, since teens are already likely to do this, it’s not that much of a stretch to imagine that japanese school life mixes that with their infamous and highly competitive education system. Where students are all forced to compare each other.

That being said, @malfoym the whole thing of “whispers around the characters” has always been an extremely stupid trope for me too because — not only is it a very transparent and forced way for the author to insert their narrative without any effort but it basically never makes logical sense, either in the narrative or in real life. Things like that should mostly be kept to through bubbles of individual characters.

 

[Doutorfunga]

Tbh. It is the most incel thing. Like bruh just because you experience traumatic sht that literally changes your perception in real life, then there is a certain genuine person who tried to befriend or even be kind towards them. Then the person who is traumatized just LITERALLY BUILD A FKING WALL and distance, is cold towards them and do an executioner mindset, and doesn't want to be friends with them. I literally cannot stand their logic.
From I'm hurt so therefore imma build walls to protect myself to imma hurt people who try to approach me even if they have a genuine and sincere.

It seems dumb, but people actually do this very thing. The problem is BELIEVING the other person is good; you get burned enough, you won't be easy to convince.