Latent Blue - Ch. 43
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@sjiveru So tell me. If you were the parent of the bully, would you condone the bully's behavior, your son's behavior? You might not kneel like the father did here, but if we follow the logical conclusion of your words, then the bully is a separate person. He's doing his own things, and that means bullying people. I bet if you were his parent, you wouldn't think it's acceptable. It's because a parent is SUPPOSED to offer guidance. A parent is SUPPOSED to instruct their child on how to live their life.
You're ignoring the position of Lian Yi's mom. Think about what she knows. She says it out loud. Her daughter lied to her. Lian Yi said she had joined the dance club. She never said anything about the diving club. She got caught in a fight at school. These are things that she knows.
Let's be clear. The mom isn't perfect either. She apparently has never asked what Lian Yi what she wants or whether she is happy. Both of them have a role to play in their relationship. My only point is that the mother is not necessarily unreasonable (I don't know the details of the father, so I can't say for certain).
You're ignoring the position of Lian Yi's mom. Think about what she knows. She says it out loud. Her daughter lied to her. Lian Yi said she had joined the dance club. She never said anything about the diving club. She got caught in a fight at school. These are things that she knows.
Let's be clear. The mom isn't perfect either. She apparently has never asked what Lian Yi what she wants or whether she is happy. Both of them have a role to play in their relationship. My only point is that the mother is not necessarily unreasonable (I don't know the details of the father, so I can't say for certain).
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@comeonnow0 Oh, I wasn't even thinking about the bully side! My problem is more with Lian Yi's mom just sort of... deciding...? that Lian Yi should be doing dance, and should be doing this, that, and the other thing without even thinking to ask her daughter what she wanted to do. Good parental guidance is 'here's how to be a good, kind and competent person no matter what you choose to do'; bad parental guidance is 'you are going to pursue these specific goals that I have given you and I will insult and belittle anything else you might be tempted to like'.
Yes, Lian Yi lied to her, but the reason is because the mom's attitude had long since made it clear that Lian Yi wasn't free to do what she wanted to do. Lian Yi understandably decided that 'pretend like I'm going to dance so I can do diving instead' was better than 'tell mom I want to do diving instead of dance and likely get beat into the ground and lose any chance of doing diving'. Her mom's obviously overly controlling attitude precipitated the problem in the first place - Lian Yi is immediately at fault, but the situation wouldn't have come about if the mother had avoided her own much more serious fault. Not only that, her response isn't one of 'yes, you shouldn't have deceived me, but I understand that you were trying to do what's right, and now that I know you like this other thing let's figure out how to help you pursue it', it's one of 'look how badly you've gone off the rails I've so clearly set down for you! what a terrible job of things you've done!' - which is basically empty of any message of love or care. Yes, if she didn't care at all about her daughter she wouldn't have this reaction, but 'you should come to the conclusion that I care about you because otherwise I wouldn't discipline and railroad you' is very different from 'I'm showing you and telling you directly how much I care about you'. I struggle to understand how anyone would consider 'I know best for you, so follow the rails I'm setting for you and expect to get yelled at if you don't' is a sufficient level of parental care.
TL;DR, bad parental guidance is 'I have already planned out what you need to do, and if you want to think independently I will hurt you'. Good parental guidance is teaching kids to not need parental guidance, while simultaneously teaching them that they are valuable and lovable human beings.
Yes, Lian Yi lied to her, but the reason is because the mom's attitude had long since made it clear that Lian Yi wasn't free to do what she wanted to do. Lian Yi understandably decided that 'pretend like I'm going to dance so I can do diving instead' was better than 'tell mom I want to do diving instead of dance and likely get beat into the ground and lose any chance of doing diving'. Her mom's obviously overly controlling attitude precipitated the problem in the first place - Lian Yi is immediately at fault, but the situation wouldn't have come about if the mother had avoided her own much more serious fault. Not only that, her response isn't one of 'yes, you shouldn't have deceived me, but I understand that you were trying to do what's right, and now that I know you like this other thing let's figure out how to help you pursue it', it's one of 'look how badly you've gone off the rails I've so clearly set down for you! what a terrible job of things you've done!' - which is basically empty of any message of love or care. Yes, if she didn't care at all about her daughter she wouldn't have this reaction, but 'you should come to the conclusion that I care about you because otherwise I wouldn't discipline and railroad you' is very different from 'I'm showing you and telling you directly how much I care about you'. I struggle to understand how anyone would consider 'I know best for you, so follow the rails I'm setting for you and expect to get yelled at if you don't' is a sufficient level of parental care.
TL;DR, bad parental guidance is 'I have already planned out what you need to do, and if you want to think independently I will hurt you'. Good parental guidance is teaching kids to not need parental guidance, while simultaneously teaching them that they are valuable and lovable human beings.
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Apparently her mother say she just want to be normal, it will be hit different meanings if she didn't say that because it means she force her to be "normal" in her way. Also the mother didn't ask if her happy or not is a big mistake, that's the whole reason why she become rebellious.
As my parents make a rule what prohibited to do and the reason why is prohibited. If her mother focusing on ballet Career that's make sense, but how her mother not understand how her child is a problem.
Say if you forced to do what you didn't want or enjoy, that would be a pain right? That's it
I'm not blaming all the mistakes to her mother, but it's really was her mistake at first as a parent. The girl didn't tell her truth feeling is her own mistake.
As for the fighting in school, Its okay to do that IF she was in the justice side. I was also do several fight when I was attend to school long time ago. What make the fight is bad attitude is the reason why it cause, my parents won't scold me if I was fight for the right path
In the end everyone also make mistake, of course because we were human
Apparently her mother say she just want to be normal, it will be hit different meanings if she didn't say that because it means she force her to be "normal" in her way. Also the mother didn't ask if her happy or not is a big mistake, that's the whole reason why she become rebellious.
As my parents make a rule what prohibited to do and the reason why is prohibited. If her mother focusing on ballet Career that's make sense, but how her mother not understand how her child is a problem.
Say if you forced to do what you didn't want or enjoy, that would be a pain right? That's it
I'm not blaming all the mistakes to her mother, but it's really was her mistake at first as a parent. The girl didn't tell her truth feeling is her own mistake.
As for the fighting in school, Its okay to do that IF she was in the justice side. I was also do several fight when I was attend to school long time ago. What make the fight is bad attitude is the reason why it cause, my parents won't scold me if I was fight for the right path
In the end everyone also make mistake, of course because we were human
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@sjiveru That's a MASSIVE amount of speculation and blame put on the mother. Before I get into it, let me give you another example. Have you ever heard of a parent who required their child to learn to play an instrument? Or a parent who required their child to learn another language? That's literally a parent telling their child "you are going to pursue these specific goals that I have given you". I can flip what you said onto you. Telling Lian Yi to be involved in dance was a way to guide Lian Yi and teach her to be involved in group activities, to work hard, to commit yourself to an activity, etc. The mother even says that she wanted Lian Yi to be "normal". In the same way that a parent who forces their child to play an instrument doesn't necessarily want their child to grow up to be a musician, the mother doesn't necessarily want Lian Yi to be a dancer. Yes, this is all speculation, but it's all within reason.
Then you frame it as belittling? The mother is explicitly concerned about Lian Yi's future. She just got suspended from school for a week for fighting after she had previously been lying about joining the dance club! The mother's concern is legitimate. The way she talks to Lian Yi is DEFINITELY criticizable, but you're acting like the mother has no reason whatsoever to do anything that she is doing.
"the reason is because the mom's attitude had long since made it clear that Lian Yi wasn't free to do what she wanted to do" Okay, yeah, speculation. Lian Yi literally lied to the mother about joining a dance club. It takes two people to communicate. Yes, definitely criticize the mother. BUT ALSO see the reasons why she did what she did. See that Lian Yi has apparently never taken the time to tell her mother she doesn't want to dance. Communication requires two people.
"Her mom's obviously overly controlling attitude precipitated the problem in the first place" Again, massive speculation and placing the blame on the mother without understanding the mother's reasoning.
@Ugga Normal at least means not lying to the mother about joining a dance club and instead joining a diving club, and then getting into a fight at school, and then getting suspended for a week.
EVERY parent teaches their child a specific way of being normal. Whether it works or not depends, but that's not something unique to this.
Yes, the mother didn't ask Lian Yi if she was happy or not. I agree. That is bad. However, look at my example above. Lots of parents force their children to learn an instrument because it teaches them certain skills. Lots of parents force their children EVEN IF the child hates that activity. Sometimes, yes, that's a bad thing. Sometimes, though, it turns out for the better. It helps the child. In and of itself, it is not unreasonable.
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TL;DR In the end, all I'm asking is that people understand where the mother is coming from. With the one exception of the comments about the father which I have zero idea about, what the mother said wasn't completely unreasonable. Let me be clear. EVEN IF you are not unreasonable, you could still be wrong. Here, the mother knows certain things. Her daughter lied about joining the dance club. Her daughter joined the diving club. Her daughter got into a fight. Her daughter got suspended for one week.
As a result of that, her concern and her wordings make sense EVEN IF they reach the wrong conclusion of "quit the diving club". It still makes sense and is reasonable even if the mother is still wrong.
And just to be clear, I did say above that the mother is not good because she didn't actually consider Lian Yi's feelings. I fully admit that. All I'm saying is that people are overly harsh when it should be dialed back. Yes, she's wrong. Not super, ultra wrong.
Then you frame it as belittling? The mother is explicitly concerned about Lian Yi's future. She just got suspended from school for a week for fighting after she had previously been lying about joining the dance club! The mother's concern is legitimate. The way she talks to Lian Yi is DEFINITELY criticizable, but you're acting like the mother has no reason whatsoever to do anything that she is doing.
"the reason is because the mom's attitude had long since made it clear that Lian Yi wasn't free to do what she wanted to do" Okay, yeah, speculation. Lian Yi literally lied to the mother about joining a dance club. It takes two people to communicate. Yes, definitely criticize the mother. BUT ALSO see the reasons why she did what she did. See that Lian Yi has apparently never taken the time to tell her mother she doesn't want to dance. Communication requires two people.
"Her mom's obviously overly controlling attitude precipitated the problem in the first place" Again, massive speculation and placing the blame on the mother without understanding the mother's reasoning.
@Ugga Normal at least means not lying to the mother about joining a dance club and instead joining a diving club, and then getting into a fight at school, and then getting suspended for a week.
EVERY parent teaches their child a specific way of being normal. Whether it works or not depends, but that's not something unique to this.
Yes, the mother didn't ask Lian Yi if she was happy or not. I agree. That is bad. However, look at my example above. Lots of parents force their children to learn an instrument because it teaches them certain skills. Lots of parents force their children EVEN IF the child hates that activity. Sometimes, yes, that's a bad thing. Sometimes, though, it turns out for the better. It helps the child. In and of itself, it is not unreasonable.
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TL;DR In the end, all I'm asking is that people understand where the mother is coming from. With the one exception of the comments about the father which I have zero idea about, what the mother said wasn't completely unreasonable. Let me be clear. EVEN IF you are not unreasonable, you could still be wrong. Here, the mother knows certain things. Her daughter lied about joining the dance club. Her daughter joined the diving club. Her daughter got into a fight. Her daughter got suspended for one week.
As a result of that, her concern and her wordings make sense EVEN IF they reach the wrong conclusion of "quit the diving club". It still makes sense and is reasonable even if the mother is still wrong.
And just to be clear, I did say above that the mother is not good because she didn't actually consider Lian Yi's feelings. I fully admit that. All I'm saying is that people are overly harsh when it should be dialed back. Yes, she's wrong. Not super, ultra wrong.
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@comeonnow0 I agree about her lied is a wrong decision to do, okay leave that aside then. Lets start with the fight at school. Why did I questioning this ? Well this was why I'm getting fully over heated.
So let's start from the beginning, her mother come to school and ended up seeing her daughter fight. From first impression mother perspective it was a really bad attitude. The reason why I little angry to her mother is because she didn't ask ANY SINGLE reason why did her daughter fight and put all the blame to the daughter. That's a brilliant move for a parents. Again, leave aside all the ballet problem , combine this fight problem with he lying about joining the ballet club. Of course where's parent shouldn't be angry about it. But hey, your were the parents, the guardian, the elder one, the experienced one. Why didn't her mother ask from her perspective? That means she didn't trust the girl and ended up blame her daughter. As for it I guess it because her mother is single parents ( just my speculation)
Also about the communication Lian yi and her mother, in one page that show one of Lian yi memories. As for little detail , this might be a whole reason why she didn't want to communicate with her mother because she scared and traumatized with her past. And I took that personally, I experienced it too. It's a huge problem for mental issues as I have an mental issues because my trauma.
My parents also force me to do what they ask for me to do like this. I know it's not unreasonable because its for my good sake. Yes, I prove it that it gives me a good life , no financial issues. But it affect in my psychological. I'm not an introvert but I can't stand with girl, because everytime I had conversations with girl I suddenly give a vibe of my parents (especially my mother) scolded me and do some "harrasment". That's why I really heated up because I like seeing my self in the past. all things parents recommend is a good path but that's doesn't mean its good for their child
So let's start from the beginning, her mother come to school and ended up seeing her daughter fight. From first impression mother perspective it was a really bad attitude. The reason why I little angry to her mother is because she didn't ask ANY SINGLE reason why did her daughter fight and put all the blame to the daughter. That's a brilliant move for a parents. Again, leave aside all the ballet problem , combine this fight problem with he lying about joining the ballet club. Of course where's parent shouldn't be angry about it. But hey, your were the parents, the guardian, the elder one, the experienced one. Why didn't her mother ask from her perspective? That means she didn't trust the girl and ended up blame her daughter. As for it I guess it because her mother is single parents ( just my speculation)
Also about the communication Lian yi and her mother, in one page that show one of Lian yi memories. As for little detail , this might be a whole reason why she didn't want to communicate with her mother because she scared and traumatized with her past. And I took that personally, I experienced it too. It's a huge problem for mental issues as I have an mental issues because my trauma.
My parents also force me to do what they ask for me to do like this. I know it's not unreasonable because its for my good sake. Yes, I prove it that it gives me a good life , no financial issues. But it affect in my psychological. I'm not an introvert but I can't stand with girl, because everytime I had conversations with girl I suddenly give a vibe of my parents (especially my mother) scolded me and do some "harrasment". That's why I really heated up because I like seeing my self in the past. all things parents recommend is a good path but that's doesn't mean its good for their child
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@Ugga We see in chapter 42 that the mother is in the offices with the students. The mother can hear what they're all talking about. Lian Yi tried to explain what happened. I doubt what you say about "put all the blame to the daughter". She obviously saw the bully and how the bully acted to his own father. IF the mom said something like "You started a fight", then that would be bad. Her actual words were "got caught fighting in school". I'm willing to give the mom a slight benefit of the doubt and say she knows her daughter wasn't the cause of the fight.
But that's why you can't just ignore the fact that Lian Yi lied. You can't ignore the ballet problem. It's not any one thing. It's all of the things together that made the mom upset. Again, yes, the mom has clearly made mistakes. The mom wasn't as open with her daughter as she should've been. The mom didn't consider Lian Yi's perspective as much as she should have. However, I stand by what I said. Even if the mom is wrong, that doesn't make her unreasonable.
But that's why you can't just ignore the fact that Lian Yi lied. You can't ignore the ballet problem. It's not any one thing. It's all of the things together that made the mom upset. Again, yes, the mom has clearly made mistakes. The mom wasn't as open with her daughter as she should've been. The mom didn't consider Lian Yi's perspective as much as she should have. However, I stand by what I said. Even if the mom is wrong, that doesn't make her unreasonable.
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@comeonnow0 "got caught fighting in school" and so get suspended for a week. lmao honestly that school is suck, but mostly school were like that. If her mother saying like that maybe she's angry because of her own pride as parents. I don't know if her mother past career was a ballet or she build up a big pride when Lian to start to learning ballet. Her own angry is explode because her pride as parents getting lower and weaker. Even so the important is, is it your children doing the right thing? That's it
I didn't say Ignored the ballet problem, I said leave that aside for a while so I can explain separately between ballet problem and fight problem. And yes I really know it that Lian yi was also wrong. Neither she didn't tell her mother how she feeling about ballet but also she lied about joining the ballet club. I honestly more comfortable if her mother allowed Lian yi have a freedom to choose her own club. But that won't happen , so instead that maybe "ok I want you too join ballet club for mom and that's important to do, you can also join one other club as a hobby"
That's what I wanted, you can give her a what you need to do but balance it with give her one freedom that is a club as 'hobby'.
As I said in my opinion both Lian yi and her mother was wrong
Wait are we not gonna discuss about father bully? So imma explain little. He's a opposite of Lian yi mother. He gives so much freedom and ended up responsible about the problem.
As for the school.... Huh not much to talk but suck students counseling. So if I had my son bullied and bully parents just do dogeza the bully punishment will be reduced? Yea that old teachers counseling is bad and horrible.
I give this describe to say that everyone make a mistake. And also I didn't say that Lian yi mother was really unreasonable but more like selfish.
I didn't say Ignored the ballet problem, I said leave that aside for a while so I can explain separately between ballet problem and fight problem. And yes I really know it that Lian yi was also wrong. Neither she didn't tell her mother how she feeling about ballet but also she lied about joining the ballet club. I honestly more comfortable if her mother allowed Lian yi have a freedom to choose her own club. But that won't happen , so instead that maybe "ok I want you too join ballet club for mom and that's important to do, you can also join one other club as a hobby"
That's what I wanted, you can give her a what you need to do but balance it with give her one freedom that is a club as 'hobby'.
As I said in my opinion both Lian yi and her mother was wrong
Wait are we not gonna discuss about father bully? So imma explain little. He's a opposite of Lian yi mother. He gives so much freedom and ended up responsible about the problem.
As for the school.... Huh not much to talk but suck students counseling. So if I had my son bullied and bully parents just do dogeza the bully punishment will be reduced? Yea that old teachers counseling is bad and horrible.
I give this describe to say that everyone make a mistake. And also I didn't say that Lian yi mother was really unreasonable but more like selfish.
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@comeonnow0 Her mother's concern is reasonable, yes. It's her mother's attitude that's unreasonable, and it's unreasonable in a way that I think is extremely concerning and a common cause of serious mental health issues in kids with parents like this. Her response feels much less like 'I'm concerned and I want what's best for you' and much more like 'I'm angry with you because you didn't just shut up and obey me'. Whether the concerns her mom has are reasonable or not is irrelevant. If you want a healthy and well-adjusted kid, you don't react to them like that. Ever.
TL;DR, Lian Yi's mother is teaching her kid to fear her, and that in and of itself is very bad parenting. Whether her reasoning in doing so is understandable or not doesn't matter.
And I don't at all think it's valuable to teach a kid to be 'normal'. Socially competent, sure. But 'normal' is a word that's very often weaponised into denying kids the freedom to have their own personality. I am extremely grateful that my parents never tried to get me to be 'normal' - if they had, I'd have ended up a way more messed up person than I am. Instead, they let me be who I wanted to be, and taught things like social competence and kindness and wisdom alongside that. I would strongly advise against ever trying to set up 'normalcy' as a goal your kid should try and reach - it's maybe not fundamentally a bad idea, but it's so incredibly risky that it's nowhere near worth it.
(This is probably a cultural difference, but I also don't see 'being caught fighting' as inherently bad. If you're fighting in defense of someone who's been wronged, that is 0% bad.)
TL;DR, Lian Yi's mother is teaching her kid to fear her, and that in and of itself is very bad parenting. Whether her reasoning in doing so is understandable or not doesn't matter.
And I don't at all think it's valuable to teach a kid to be 'normal'. Socially competent, sure. But 'normal' is a word that's very often weaponised into denying kids the freedom to have their own personality. I am extremely grateful that my parents never tried to get me to be 'normal' - if they had, I'd have ended up a way more messed up person than I am. Instead, they let me be who I wanted to be, and taught things like social competence and kindness and wisdom alongside that. I would strongly advise against ever trying to set up 'normalcy' as a goal your kid should try and reach - it's maybe not fundamentally a bad idea, but it's so incredibly risky that it's nowhere near worth it.
(This is probably a cultural difference, but I also don't see 'being caught fighting' as inherently bad. If you're fighting in defense of someone who's been wronged, that is 0% bad.)
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@Ugga The consistent problem I have with what you're saying is that you keep putting the blame on her and giving her the worst possible interpretation. The mother's pride? Really? Where does it say anything about the mom's pride? That's you making that up to make the mom look worse. MAYBE what you said is correct. MAYBE. However, it is just speculation and guessing as of right now. I'm not going to say the mom is acting like this because her pride is hurt when there's no evidence to support that.
@sjveru Kind of the same response to you as to Ugga. You're viewing her response in the worst possible light. Just shut up and obey me. That's way too extreme of a reading. The mother is clearly distraught and upset as well. The mother is not just pure anger and rage. She is also clearly sad and hurt too.
My point with the normal thing is not whether it is good or not. It is that it is INEVITABLE. Every parent who raises a child will, no matter how hard they try not to, teach their kid what is normal and what is not normal. It is inevitable. I explicitly do not know your personal life and what your parents did or did not teach you. I completely admit that. However, I would still bet that you think some things are normal and some things are not as a direct result of how your parents have raised you. It is inevitable.
@sjveru Kind of the same response to you as to Ugga. You're viewing her response in the worst possible light. Just shut up and obey me. That's way too extreme of a reading. The mother is clearly distraught and upset as well. The mother is not just pure anger and rage. She is also clearly sad and hurt too.
My point with the normal thing is not whether it is good or not. It is that it is INEVITABLE. Every parent who raises a child will, no matter how hard they try not to, teach their kid what is normal and what is not normal. It is inevitable. I explicitly do not know your personal life and what your parents did or did not teach you. I completely admit that. However, I would still bet that you think some things are normal and some things are not as a direct result of how your parents have raised you. It is inevitable.
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@comeonnow0 lol from the start everyone post a comment here is only a SPECULATION, yes it's maybe the case because all opinions I write it's only speculation. I'm not saying my opinion will be real in next chap or my author will randomly, lol. Even your opinion is just speculation, because.. it's only a comment section.
We're here for the comments section, we tell other how we feel from other perspective and that's why it make comment section feel interesting. I never think that you will get irritated just because opinion from random guy
We might get different opinion, but I'm gladly discuss opinion with others.
In the end , as I said even I blame to Lian yi or the mother it's just an opinion. Maybe in author perspective the one who blame are different.
Let me tell you why this kind of parents teaching is wrong, every child had different personalities while the parents figure out what kind method will they use to teach their child. Her mother is lucky enough to get tough daughter with strong mental. I'd be other way if Lian yi is a silent person, it might getting worse as she commit suicide because of depression. You will never know what your child is thinking. As for Lian yi , if she depressed enough she can runaway from her home but instead doing that she still care for her mother and worried about her mother.
"Ok son here's is the lesson, If Someone or your friends get bullied nor other ppl get robbed , killed, and harassed you need to keep silent. So you need to do what I tell you and being normal"
Hah as I agree with that shit.
As a parents , doing that is a total wrong.
I'm not blame all the wrong to her mother's but I agree that Lian yi is wrong too. But why I really put a high blame to her mother? It's because SHE IS THE PARENTS, she's the responsible for the kid. Maybe I will not highly blame her mother IF she didn't get explode at the end. It's NORMAL to angry at your child BUT It's clearly her mother PUT ALL THE BLAME TO LIAN YI, yes she's sad and hurt. But do you think a child can get a lesson of the one who teach her shouting and blaming the wrong to her?
- fight : she can ask why the reason why she had a fight . Also why I tell that the mom pride was the one who get hurt? It's because maybe she knew that her daughter was the right one ( maybe, just as you say in previous comment). Even SO she still mad at her because Lian yi fight at school. From that , I speculate that her mother doesn't want look bad at school and other parents EVEN if her daughter do the right thing. That is to stop the bully
- Club : yes it's totally Lian yi fault that she lied to her mother. However as I said At my previous comments, her mother should give her a little Freedom to choose what club she like and appoint it's as a 'hobby club'. So she will not feel depressed and hopefully she will understand that her mother want her to do more ballet stuff. Its method where the child will feel bad for her parents and after that hopefully she will accept her mother request
@sjiveru as for that I agree, we knew that lien yi and her mother is wrong. But what the problem here is how the mother want her child to fear her so she will obey me. Thx for explaining that
ALL OF MY OPINION ABOVE ARE JUST MY SPECULATION and others comments are also a speculation. Oh come on it's just opinion from other ppl. This might a chance to see how other perspective about parental education ;-;
We're here for the comments section, we tell other how we feel from other perspective and that's why it make comment section feel interesting. I never think that you will get irritated just because opinion from random guy
We might get different opinion, but I'm gladly discuss opinion with others.
In the end , as I said even I blame to Lian yi or the mother it's just an opinion. Maybe in author perspective the one who blame are different.
Let me tell you why this kind of parents teaching is wrong, every child had different personalities while the parents figure out what kind method will they use to teach their child. Her mother is lucky enough to get tough daughter with strong mental. I'd be other way if Lian yi is a silent person, it might getting worse as she commit suicide because of depression. You will never know what your child is thinking. As for Lian yi , if she depressed enough she can runaway from her home but instead doing that she still care for her mother and worried about her mother.
"Ok son here's is the lesson, If Someone or your friends get bullied nor other ppl get robbed , killed, and harassed you need to keep silent. So you need to do what I tell you and being normal"
Hah as I agree with that shit.
As a parents , doing that is a total wrong.
I'm not blame all the wrong to her mother's but I agree that Lian yi is wrong too. But why I really put a high blame to her mother? It's because SHE IS THE PARENTS, she's the responsible for the kid. Maybe I will not highly blame her mother IF she didn't get explode at the end. It's NORMAL to angry at your child BUT It's clearly her mother PUT ALL THE BLAME TO LIAN YI, yes she's sad and hurt. But do you think a child can get a lesson of the one who teach her shouting and blaming the wrong to her?
- fight : she can ask why the reason why she had a fight . Also why I tell that the mom pride was the one who get hurt? It's because maybe she knew that her daughter was the right one ( maybe, just as you say in previous comment). Even SO she still mad at her because Lian yi fight at school. From that , I speculate that her mother doesn't want look bad at school and other parents EVEN if her daughter do the right thing. That is to stop the bully
- Club : yes it's totally Lian yi fault that she lied to her mother. However as I said At my previous comments, her mother should give her a little Freedom to choose what club she like and appoint it's as a 'hobby club'. So she will not feel depressed and hopefully she will understand that her mother want her to do more ballet stuff. Its method where the child will feel bad for her parents and after that hopefully she will accept her mother request
@sjiveru as for that I agree, we knew that lien yi and her mother is wrong. But what the problem here is how the mother want her child to fear her so she will obey me. Thx for explaining that
ALL OF MY OPINION ABOVE ARE JUST MY SPECULATION and others comments are also a speculation. Oh come on it's just opinion from other ppl. This might a chance to see how other perspective about parental education ;-;
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