Mairimashita! Iruma-kun - Vol. 40 Ch. 351 - To New Lands

[Jackal-Lantern]

have you no knowledge of history? lots of countries were founded by wealthy people who had no physical power at all or just random dudes who said they heard the voice of god tell them to castrate their son. and as for the common folk, well they're willing to follow just about anyone who's willing to lead them. most people are sheep and have 0 motivation to do anything for themselves but will gladly bend over backwards to lick the ground of anyone willing to lead them even if that person doesn't have the ability to protect them. power is only ever a factor in the creation of a new country during a coup or secession from an already existing country.

Wealth is simply another form of power in our world. However it's a form a power that the Netherworld doesn't care for as much as they do a Demon's individual strength and rank. You think a weak but wealthy demon will be able to establish a country with Wealth alone? No, the other demons would just beat or kill and steal the weak demon's wealth and continue on their way. But if the wealthy demon was an individually powerful demon were to try and establish a country, the weaker demons would fall in line. So yeah, power is needed to establish a country, obviously in the Netherworld and not our world since the two worlds operated completely different one another.

 

[FlowerSlaughter]

And everyone who guessed either "Need an exam" or "There's a limit on ranks that can be attained at school" now can guiltlessly eat some cake, for being right!

 

[Asadfevrier]

Okay. That explanation genuinely makes sense. Ranking determines a lot in the underworld so there’s no way teachers can just give it away. That leaves too much room for potential corruption. Approval by the 13 crowns makes sense for reaching rank 6. Very curious about rank 7, 8, and 9. But I’m assuming ten requires a majority of the 13 crowns to approve of you

There is no rank 10 though

 

[FlowerSlaughter]

[...] the other demons would just [...]

That assumes universality.
There just need be enough strong demons that can be swayed by money/luxury, to put the most foolhardy demons in line. Power is like electricity in that it's the ultimate currency, but it's the people (or in this case Demons) that are the converters.
How much is enough depends on specifics, that is not to say that there would be a very powerful demon that could be swayed, nor that weren't there a powerful demon that would take an issue with it, but this world is much less set in stone and settled down politiclally than our own.
I'm not saying that demons are "live and let live" cause that's obviously not the case, but situations on the lower rings don't permeate to the higher ones and vice versa in most not politically active societies, and the conflict isn't about getting you and your allies to either ally with the current rulers or dominate each possible sphere, as it is to have your own place and protect it.
In that sense only the ones who would suitably benefit from "toppling over" (or were directly harmed by creation of) the money kingdom would actively pursue it's destruction. Other than that it would be some opportunists, some fools, and people who have their own deeply held reasons to oppose such a kingdom.(Think Baal motivations, or Clan/Family rivalries, although we have see nsurprisingly little of such in the story itself, probably due to a)Most clans that would end up opposite Delkira being completely destroyered during his rule, as we had read about Caim clan almost having such fate against an unspecified Demon king, and b) Great Valley war going on, whatever that is.)

 

[FlowerSlaughter]

By the by, the kids look similar to the meimei (the incredibly smol rabbit judge during the Purson's arc)

considering the kids from earlier, they look to be apart of the many ear race of the conductor-judge from the purson soi arc. I wonder if irumi is going to make a come back to handle these kids

Damn, went back through the comments and you noticed it before me.

• p17 The 13 Crown meant to judge you -> (is "13 Crown" how the story so far has referred to individual members of the 13 Crowns?)

I think just "The Crown" would be fine.
Insofar Iruma has shown publicly the most talents as
a)The center of attention
b)The counselor/peacemaker
and c)The delegator/motivator of others
So it would make the most sense to plop him in a task that rquires him to gather support of others towards a task, whether that be by gaining attention of potetntial helpers, intermediating between opposing ones, and motivating those who have no desire to get involved in the first place.

 

[Jackal-Lantern]

That assumes universality.
There just need be enough strong demons that can be swayed by money/luxury, to put the most foolhardy demons in line.

Even in that situation, the weak wealthy demon doesn't actually have any power, since they're reliant on the strong demon(s) to keep the other demons in line. This creates a situation, where the powerful demon can then demand more money from the wealthy demon, and if the wealthy demon doesn't comply, then the powerful demon can just leave and let the other demons have at the wealthy demon. Not to mention if greed was that much of a compelling motivation for the powerful demon, then they could just take it from the wealthy demon by force.

 

[Justking14]

There is no rank 10 though

Rank 10 is Yodh

weirdly Sullivan isn’t in that rank (he’s 9) but the other 2 candidates are

 

[IrregularPerson]

By the by, the kids look similar to the meimei (the incredibly smol rabbit judge during the Purson's arc)

if anything you caught their name. it adds up because it makes me think if the children will have similar endearing names like "Baobao" heh

 

[FlowerSlaughter]

Even in that situation, the weak wealthy demon doesn't actually have any power, since they're reliant on the strong demon(s) to keep the other demons in line. This creates a situation, where the powerful demon can then demand more money from the wealthy demon, and if the wealthy demon doesn't comply, then the powerful demon can just leave and let the other demons have at the wealthy demon. Not to mention if greed was that much of a compelling motivation for the powerful demon, then they could just take it from the wealthy demon by force.

There is a world of difference between ability to intimidate/overpower others, ability to arrange and enforce rules(the policing aspect), and the ability to raise money with any degree of efficiency. It is obvious that if there is a weak demon with only money, that money can be taken from them, but that is a one and done deal, and there's no guarantee that there always or that there ever will be weak and rich demons to trample, if one wants to actually have some standard of living that isn't just burning through your indulgences, and even then a powerful demon may want to do that with least effort possible.
If the rich demon is dependent solely on their one greedy stronger partner, then yes, he'll be in effect merely a manager/caretaker for them.
But if they have access and employ of diverse, but not necesarilly "the best of the best" enforcers, (And i'd say that ability to reach those further away from you, whether financialy, by status, or by beliefs is a necessity to earn without fear of fortune) then they in fact become dependent on him, unless they all are capable of either unionizing(As in agreeing with each other enough to cut off their "employer" recourse, think praetorian guard) and/or taking over their duties.
For all the Baals and Dorodoro brothers, we have demons like Bachiko or Agares that would enjoy just being spoilt for most of their time.

Rank 10 is Yodh

weirdly Sullivan isn’t in that rank (he’s 9) but the other 2 candidates are

The sTrumpet guy said something about him being cursed.

 

[Jackal-Lantern]

There is a world of difference between ability to intimidate/overpower others, ability to arrange and enforce rules(the policing aspect), and the ability to raise money with any degree of efficiency.

Not really, at least not if we're talking about the Netherworld. A demon with the ability to intimidate/overpower others, also have the power to arrange and enforce rules that other demons follow, as well as gain the ability to raise money with various degrees of efficiency (that's dependent on how well they are at the first two). It's really not that complicated. If a demon is powerful, then that power will end up getting them followers who either fear and/or respect that power. That's even the case for Demons like Bachiko, who despite liking to be spoil, still possesses great respect and loyalty for Sullivan and this respect opted her to take Iruma on as a student despite her bad history of taking students.

But if they have access and employ of diverse, but not necesarilly "the best of the best" enforcers, (And i'd say that ability to reach those further away from you, whether financialy, by status, or by beliefs is a necessity to earn without fear of fortune) then they in fact become dependent on him

Not really. Even in that situation, the weak employer is still dependent on the demons to get the job done. They can easily leave and go for a different employment if they want to and/or take the employer's wealth by force. The employer has no real power to actually enforce. If the demons actually listen and obey the employer then it's because the employer is either powerful enough that the demons respect them and/or dare to not oppose them or the employer (if weak) is backed by a powerful demon who no one wishes to cross.

 

[FlowerSlaughter]

They can easily leave and go for a different employment if they want to and/or take the employer's wealth by force. The employer has no real power to actually enforce.

That's the thing. Going against the employer in that case is cutting off your own supply,

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Being useful as a group or as a part of a group doesn't guarantee the same kind of worth when alone, a farfetched(different skills needed), but an example of this was when during end-of-year arc most of the idols there weren't absolutely exceptional like the mc's group and Gyari, while the rest depended more on cooperating as a group/agency. Another one, although that's skimping the definition of power to merely firepower, is how influential se're told Soi's family is, despite their abilities being non-combat in nature, due to being nuilt on working with and against other demons by selling their services, rather than wielding power overtly.

And the employer has no power to enforce only if all the demons they work with turn on him at once. It's easy to imagine such a situation, but in practice groups of people act very differently than singular people, and I don't see a reason for this to be different with demons.

If a demon is powerful, then that power will end up getting them followers who either fear and/or respect that power. That's even the case for Demons like Bachiko, who despite liking to be spoil, still possesses great respect and loyalty for Sullivan and this respect opted her to take Iruma on as a student despite her bad history of taking students.

I'm not trying to deny that demons wouldn't fear/respect other more powerful demons, or prefer serving one of them, but their interest (and compensation for such servitude) isn't guaranteed. We've seen the position of bodyguard demon for example, to be an unique one, and the more powerful demons may or may not try to provide any sort of comfort or compensation for retainers that they don't really need.
To ground the above with a more concrete comparison, do you think Bachiko would be as eager or willing to aid Sullivan if he treated her the same way Baal treats demons that serve him?

 

[Jackal-Lantern]

That's the thing. Going against the employer in that case is cutting off your own supply,

Considering that we haven't seen or heard of any demons who went through that, I'd have to disagree. Even in the case of Purson's family, while they don't have a combative bloodline magic, that doesn't really tell us how strong the family is. We mostly know that they prefer to stay in shadow. Having a strong combative bloodline magic isn't really a requirement to be considered a powerful demon, as we have Balam, whose bloodline magic serves little purpose for combat, and yet he's considered a powerful combatant who's on par with Kalego, a demon with a strong bloodline magic. As for the idols, we already saw that some idols can get poached by other idols.

And the employer has no power to enforce only if all the demons they work with turn on him at once. It's easy to imagine such a situation, but in practice groups of people act very differently than singular people, and I don't see a reason for this to be different with demons.

This again goes back to the weak employer being reliant on the other demons to keep things in order. The moment that stops, the employer is once again at their employees mercy.

To ground the above with a more concrete comparison, do you think Bachiko would be as eager or willing to aid Sullivan if he treated her the same way Baal treats demons that serve him?

As long as their interests remain the same, then sure I can see it. Otherwise, Bachiko would just find another demon to serve whose interest aligns with her own and who is just as strong as Sullivan. As a counterpoint, if Sullivan wasn't as strong as he was, I doubt Bachiko or any demon would pay him any attention, respect him, fear him, and/or give him the time of day.

 

[hmmxst]

I'm starting to think Delkira is just time-looped Iruma ummm

 

[Danjitsu]

Oh no I caught up....

 

[isoycrazy]

Oh no I caught up....

A new one should be out tomorrow.

 

[LordofAlI]

Really making their own country now. Also i like that you need to take a special test to become rank 6 and above.

 

[Frostisss]

I skipped this chapter and didn’t even realize it. Huh.

 

[karmscharms]

awwww im so glad beem ranked up to dalet, coincidentally the rank that was said to be the graduating requirement of babyls. so at the very least, they get to actually graduate now, even if ranking up and graduating wasn't really in the cards for them (as seen with how disinterested they are with everything else)

 

[yourlocalfemboysfine]

Ameri's Scala: "yeah just become a junior pig for a week"

Iruma's Scala: "start a new country"