Maitsuki, Niwatsuki, Ooyatsuki - Vol. 4 Ch. 21

[Thrembs]

So much hostility from everyone, its just a nice side couple...

Yup.
I think it would be better as a spin-off, but they’re cute af.

 

[gearoi92]

You are a person of very little quality.

Gotcha, anything else?

 

[758627]

Side couple(s) is fine. Just not focusing on them for a whole volume while using them to show a very boring and cliche story like a certain manga.
Side note: nice, the mangaka is using the old tweetdeck to "stalk" her idol. Also, RIP the old tweetdeck, new one is shite.

 

[Thrembs]

You too, my friend. Hopefully you won't speedread the next manga like this one.

I took a peek back at your posting history because I was curious if this behaviour is a trend. It is.
most of your posts are “you don’t understand yuri. I’ve been reading it for a long time and know the tropes, so I’m better than you”. A good number are just simple praise of a work, but the fact that you seem to exclusively read one genre speaks to a very narrow POV and explains your complete lack of self-awareness and perspective on said genre.


In my skimming I saw you equate “yuri” and “lesbian”, which is false.
Yuri is a whole genre with its own tropes and conventions. Lesbian is sexual and/or romantic attraction between two women. It need not fit into the above genre. More any more things with queerness as a major theme are being classified as “romance”, “comedy” “human drama” and not “yuri” or “BL”, because they don’t fit into those genres, because they don’t follow those same conventions and tropes.
A romance movie can have jokes and not be a romcom. A romcom needs romance and comedy, but thats not enough.

that just stood out to me as a sign that you have a major blindspot in your perception of the world. You need to GO TOUCH GRASS and read a basic fiction book. Watch a documentary. Knit a sweater, I don’t know
You’re in too deep. You’re like Gollum clutching at your precious yuri and attacking all the hobbitses who try to be even mildly critical of it.

I remember the first time I went to Japan the biggest thing it did for me was give me some perspective. Japan isn’t cooler or better or anything. It’s just a place. A totally normal place where normal people lead normal lives. It’s not better or worse, it’s just different.
Totally changed my life to really get that into my dumb, young brain.

I do have some authority to speak on realism of queerness in media: BEING QUEER. Everyone in a school being gay or there being no stigma about that is moronic.

 

[Kaldrak]

So much hostility from everyone, its just a nice side couple...

It's certainly not everyone. Seems mostly coming from one particular poster, lol.

 

[gearoi92]

In my skimming I saw you equate “yuri” and “lesbian”, which is false.

"You don't even know the difference between lez and yuri. You even understand what a "genre" is? Nobody cares about your sexuality, twitterbrain." is one of my recent comments to someone.

"Lez" in this case, is a term japanese use for lesbian smut manga. Hence, the difference between lez and yuri, but both a genre. But nice try, smallbrain. Imagine writing up this much wall of a text, just to be wrong LOL.

Also: You look up old comments of mine? Actual problematic behavior. You have other problems, our little interaction seems to have made you seethe enough to be this unhinged. Still,

anything else?

Edit: Man, people hate you. I totally get it, though.

 

[Akira9200]

So much hostility from everyone, its just a nice side couple...

seems like it’s so hard for this side couple to get highlight in their eyes
just because the side couple doesn’t have their own spin-off series, and they’re being hostile like that kek
it’s not like that easy for them to get spin-off, especially when this manga is still not reaching 3 digits chapters
and complaining because of the troupe is just funny

 

[ReLumiere]

What a BL fan doing here?

 

[slyss]

Imagine saying "Touch grass", and then doing a check of another user's posting history, which is terminally online behavior lmao.

Anyway, beautiful chapter, I really like the idea of Mangaka-San's place becoming that "Blank" spot for Samu to take a breather from her busy and overwhelming idol life, and with the foreshadowing presented in this chapter that she might break down from overworking, I feel like Mangaka-San's role will become extremely important in the future.

 

[Kirin-kun]

Hmm.. I think we didn't read the same chapter. It's been ONE chapter where we didn't see Miyako and Asako and people are already saying it's going on a tangent. It's not.

This wasn't even a chapter about the Ruri x Hato ship. Their interaction lasts what? 5 pages? It's not like they started to make out.

It's a new arc that's been set up since the end of vol 3, with the group's manager about to meddle or do something useless, like outing Miyako's location, out of concern for Ruri.

It's totally in relation with Miyako's past as an idol and thus will obviously involve her couple with Asako. It's still and always has been about Asako and Miyako, how their past influences their present life and how they come to terms with it.

 

[SrNevik]

"You don't even know the difference between lez and yuri. You even understand what a "genre" is? Nobody cares about your sexuality, twitterbrain." is one of my recent comments to someone.

"Lez" in this case, is a term japanese use for lesbian smut manga. Hence, the difference between lez and yuri, but both a genre. But nice try, smallbrain. Imagine writing up this much wall of a text, just to be wrong LOL.

Also: You look up old comments of mine? Actual problematic behavior. You have other problems, our little interaction seems to have made you seethe enough to be this unhinged. Still,

Edit: Man, people hate you. I totally get it, though.

Damn, yesterday I left the overdramatics about a side (potential) couple and thought there was no way that anyone would be that fussed. Surely that would be a one off. But, no, apparently someone is indeed that fussed. I don't know how you do it. I'd have given up talking to them a long time ago. There's only so much miserable I can take over something so mundane. After the first couple comments, that already seemed like a time-sink conversation. I commend the effort, if anything.

 

[SrNevik]

Hmm.. I think we didn't read the same chapter. It's been ONE chapter where we didn't see Miyako and Asako and people are already saying it's going on a tangent. It's not.

This wasn't even a chapter about the Ruri x Hato ship. Their interaction lasts what? 5 pages? It's not like they started to make out.

It's a new arc that's been set up since the end of vol 3, with the group's manager about to meddle or do something useless, like outing Miyako's location, out of concern for Ruri.

It's totally in relation with Miyako's past as an idol and thus will obviously involve her couple with Asako. It's still and always has been about Asako and Miyako, how their past influences their present life and how they come to terms with it.

100% but it seems their eyes glazed over when they saw Ruri and Hato...talking to each other...

 

[gearoi92]

Damn, yesterday I left the overdramatics about a side (potential) couple and thought there was no way that anyone would be that fussed. Surely that would be a one off. But, no, apparently someone is indeed that fussed. I don't know how you do it. I'd have given up talking to them a long time ago. There's only so much miserable I can take over something so mundane. After the first couple comments, that already seemed like a time-sink conversation. I commend the effort, if anything.

I just like arguing, it's all practise for my rl job, that's how i see it. And yuri is one of the few things i actually know what i'm talking about, so you will find me sometimes in GL comment sections talking to people like these. I got another hater right now who writes me a message a day for a week now, for petty reasons. Still, they take the time out of their day to write me, so i will reply. I love my schizos.

 

[niwasatou]

Not all side couples are created equal. For one, there's the question of how they actually relate to the main story/couple -- in this case, there's a reasonable argument to be made that they play important roles in Asako and Miyako's lives, so that's alright. The second question is how this sub-romance is handled. I personally don't think dedicating entire chapters to side characters is ever good practice, and that's also what will give rise to complaints. People generally tolerate it just fine if it's handled appropriately, i.e. on the side.

The group shenanigans in the first half of the chapter also stuck me as quite uninteresting (not simply the characters, but also in terms of story-telling), which hampers the enthusiasm when you reach the actual "side couple" part towards the end. tl;dr some focus on Hato and Ruri - okay; chapter - not interesting and hopefully the last of its kind.

 

[Thrembs]

What a BL fan doing here?

Ah, because people can only read about one form of romance.

 

[Thrembs]

"Lez" in this case, is a term japanese use for lesbian smut manga. Hence, the difference between lez and yuri

First off, I didn’t say “lez”. I said “lesbian”. So that’s the first part of the strawman argument.
Second, I didn’t speak of a genre. I was speaking of an orientation. Part two of it.
Third, not all manga based around an ff relationship or relationships is yuri.
Yuri is a genre. It has tropes and so on particular to it. Such as “then the main couple become little more than an anchor point for side characters who all turn out to be gay”. Lots of stuff out there that’s gay isn’t yuri or BL, and that rules. It’s tedious to try to wring relatability out of Yet Another Yuri Manga.
Fourth, “lez” is just “lesbian”in Japan. That’s literally all it means. It’s used to describe people without any particularly negative connotations. It’s really common.
I can speak Japanese. I’ve lived in Japan. I’m a lesbian. I know what “lez” means. I know what yuri is. My bookshelf still has a few of the many I owned (most of them were old and basic. conglomerations of tropes. Into the bin they went about 6 years ago. Some others had sex scenes and I have a kid, now)

“Lez manga” at least used to refer to manga by and for lesbians. That was a long time ago, though. Terminology changes, so that bit could be correct. Somehow I doubt it, considering all the strawmanning.

In short
Manga about lesbians does not necessarily mean “yuri”.
Nothing you said in that post had anything to do with anything I actually said.

 

[Thrembs]

Imagine saying "Touch grass", and then doing a check of another user's posting history, which is terminally online behavior lmao.

This is the closest thing to social media I use. I spend time online in that I read a lot of books and manga and listen to tons of podcasts. My wife will reference memes or videos or news and I have to remind her that I don’t even have Twitter, Facebook, instagram, TikTok…

To be curious what the hell someone’s problem is doesn’t sound “chronically online” to me.
and to quickly discover them being a hothead with no sense of reality or understanding of fiction was really gratifying.

 

[gearoi92]

First off, I didn’t say “lez”. I said “lesbian”. So that’s the first part of the strawman argument.
Second, I didn’t speak of a genre. I was speaking of an orientation. Part two of it.
Third, not all manga based around an ff relationship or relationships is yuri.
Yuri is a genre. It has tropes and so on particular to it. Such as “then the main couple become little more than an anchor point for side characters who all turn out to be gay”. Lots of stuff out there that’s gay isn’t yuri or BL, and that rules. It’s tedious to try to wring relatability out of Yet Another Yuri Manga.
Fourth, “lez” is just “lesbian”in Japan. That’s literally all it means. It’s used to describe people without any particularly negative connotations. It’s really common.
I can speak Japanese. I’ve lived in Japan. I’m a lesbian. I know what “lez” means. I know what yuri is. My bookshelf still has a few of the many I owned (most of them were old and basic. conglomerations of tropes. Into the bin they went about 6 years ago. Some others had sex scenes and I have a kid, now)

“Lez manga” at least used to refer to manga by and for lesbians. That was a long time ago, though. Terminology changes, so that bit could be correct. Somehow I doubt it, considering all the strawmanning.

In short
Manga about lesbians does not necessarily mean “yuri”.
Nothing you said in that post had anything to do with anything I actually said.

Gotcha, anything else?

 

[slyss]

This is the closest thing to social media I use. I spend time online in that I read a lot of books and manga and listen to tons of podcasts. My wife will reference memes or videos or news and I have to remind her that I don’t even have Twitter, Facebook, instagram, TikTok…

To be curious what the hell someone’s problem is doesn’t sound “chronically online” to me.
and to quickly discover them being a hothead with no sense of reality or understanding of fiction was really gratifying.

That's crazy

 

[Thrembs]

That's crazy

To… not live online?