Majutsu Gakuin wo Shuseki de Sotsugyoushita Ore ga Boukensha wo Hajimeru no wa sonna ni okashii darouka - Vol. 2 Ch. 11
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This poor girl just wanted to enjoy her undead research, she did nothing wrong 😭
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and this is why u need good parents
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Those villagers should be proud to die for a noble's pet!
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Rather then forgetting original goal (wich she stayed faithful), it's defeating the purpose case.
To create a world where noone should be ever needing a replacement -> to make bunch of people "needing replacement" in the process.
@grandygon Dammit, you made me tear up.
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Rather then forgetting original goal (wich she stayed faithful), it's defeating the purpose case.
To create a world where noone should be ever needing a replacement -> to make bunch of people "needing replacement" in the process.
@grandygon Dammit, you made me tear up.
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Yeah for the purpose of story writing it's very important to have multidimensional villains. It's very tiresome and unrealistic to keep reading stuff with pure evil antagonists, usually it feels like the author can't think of any other way to portray their protagonist as the 'good guy' unless the one they're killing has a hobby of raping puppies just because he gets turned on by their painful yelping.
That's not to say that 'pure evil' antagonists should never be written, just use them sparingly and never have them be the main one.
If a story contains nothing but these cliche, one-dimensional antagonists, both the world and protagonists lose depth as well. The world will be black and white, the protagonist will never question the world or his actions because everything is already unambiguously set up to make him the 'good guy'.
Even the reader is just along for the ride, you're not meant to think about what's right or wrong, what's moral or immoral, because they author has already decided this for you by presenting one side which never does any wrong and one which only does harm for no reason other than greed/power/pleasure.
Sorry, been trying to read too many manhua's recently, my frustration seems to have reached a breaking point.
EDIT: Oh, and this manga is great. The MC especially is really well written, side characters still need some more development and depth but it feels like that's coming up. And speaking of villains, Alice struck a great balance of 'being actually sort of evil' and 'having a clear goal you can sympathize with' without it feeling too forced.
Yeah for the purpose of story writing it's very important to have multidimensional villains. It's very tiresome and unrealistic to keep reading stuff with pure evil antagonists, usually it feels like the author can't think of any other way to portray their protagonist as the 'good guy' unless the one they're killing has a hobby of raping puppies just because he gets turned on by their painful yelping.
That's not to say that 'pure evil' antagonists should never be written, just use them sparingly and never have them be the main one.
If a story contains nothing but these cliche, one-dimensional antagonists, both the world and protagonists lose depth as well. The world will be black and white, the protagonist will never question the world or his actions because everything is already unambiguously set up to make him the 'good guy'.
Even the reader is just along for the ride, you're not meant to think about what's right or wrong, what's moral or immoral, because they author has already decided this for you by presenting one side which never does any wrong and one which only does harm for no reason other than greed/power/pleasure.
Sorry, been trying to read too many manhua's recently, my frustration seems to have reached a breaking point.
EDIT: Oh, and this manga is great. The MC especially is really well written, side characters still need some more development and depth but it feels like that's coming up. And speaking of villains, Alice struck a great balance of 'being actually sort of evil' and 'having a clear goal you can sympathize with' without it feeling too forced.
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@Degernase the problem is when you only learn about the "evil" protagonists' motives and backstory literally right before they die. That is a blatantly cheap attempt to garner some sympathy and elicit some feelings from the reader, and nothing else.
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I agree that this is a common and cheap tactic but didn't feel as if it was applicable in this case.
She's a minor villain we didn't really know much about and even though her actions were implied she wasn't standing behind the bandits telling them to 'rape the women harder' whilst having an evil chuckle to really drive home the point of her being the antagonist.
And the flashback wasn't really going overboard to justify anything,
I don't feel like it was trying to absolve her of her wrongdoing or even showing how terrible her life was in order to garner sympathy.
I understand her reasoning and can on some level agree with her actions, at the same time my opinion is also that in the end she reaped what she sowed. Because of this I felt she was well written.
Lastly, it's cliche to put the flashback right before they die but for minor characters like this it's really hard to find the right spot to expand on their backstory, when would have been a better time to do so? And for the sake of emotional effect, it's a trope for a reason.
I guess what I'm saying is, it's different if you're reading 10 chapters with an unabashedly 'evil' antagonist that just murders and kills people without shame and for no greater purpose other than the joy of it, only to have a whole chapter dedicated to his backstory (right as the MC kills him) of him getting molested as a child, tortured for years and betrayed by everyone despite trying his best and being a kind soul.
I agree that this is a common and cheap tactic but didn't feel as if it was applicable in this case.
She's a minor villain we didn't really know much about and even though her actions were implied she wasn't standing behind the bandits telling them to 'rape the women harder' whilst having an evil chuckle to really drive home the point of her being the antagonist.
And the flashback wasn't really going overboard to justify anything,
she had a nice upbringing with somewhat absent parents, she just couldn't get over her pet dying and ended up going down a dark road doing anything for her research.
I understand her reasoning and can on some level agree with her actions, at the same time my opinion is also that in the end she reaped what she sowed. Because of this I felt she was well written.
Lastly, it's cliche to put the flashback right before they die but for minor characters like this it's really hard to find the right spot to expand on their backstory, when would have been a better time to do so? And for the sake of emotional effect, it's a trope for a reason.
I guess what I'm saying is, it's different if you're reading 10 chapters with an unabashedly 'evil' antagonist that just murders and kills people without shame and for no greater purpose other than the joy of it, only to have a whole chapter dedicated to his backstory (right as the MC kills him) of him getting molested as a child, tortured for years and betrayed by everyone despite trying his best and being a kind soul.
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@CountryMage yup I concur with volley being viable.
I just realized the author actually slipped in some neat mechanics here. The skelly-kuns needed so much micro-managing that she was required to instruct them to nock the arrows before being able to give the order to let loose. On pages 15 and 18 we see them pretty much motionless, this makes sense because they‘re (probably) literally empty-headed!
I just realized the author actually slipped in some neat mechanics here. The skelly-kuns needed so much micro-managing that she was required to instruct them to nock the arrows before being able to give the order to let loose. On pages 15 and 18 we see them pretty much motionless, this makes sense because they‘re (probably) literally empty-headed!
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Let us not picking up the wrong word...
It's not sympathy we should feel but more like pity is a proper word for the biatch...
But then again going with someone above, the most pitiable is the dog, imo....
It's not sympathy we should feel but more like pity is a proper word for the biatch...
But then again going with someone above, the most pitiable is the dog, imo....
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What I feel about her is the same feeling I felt when I discover Hitler's childhood. Pity.
Beside the mc also has shitty(according to him) parents and he merely became a weird adventurer that still has connection and fall back option.
Beside the mc also has shitty(according to him) parents and he merely became a weird adventurer that still has connection and fall back option.
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Not much of a necromancer. Her undead were also useless for pretty much anything if a low level cleric can turn 20 of them with a single spell.
But I suppose this was to be expected considering her background. Up until now, everything always went pretty much her way. She always had an environment where other people willingly provided resources for her and helped keep her experiments a secret. It doesn't exactly cultivate the innovative survivor mentality needed for illegal, high risk research.
@BCS A fiction author is an utter failure if they can't generate any feelings in their readers. So what can you do?
But I suppose this was to be expected considering her background. Up until now, everything always went pretty much her way. She always had an environment where other people willingly provided resources for her and helped keep her experiments a secret. It doesn't exactly cultivate the innovative survivor mentality needed for illegal, high risk research.
@BCS A fiction author is an utter failure if they can't generate any feelings in their readers. So what can you do?
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This series has been mildly entertaining till this point. For a, presumably disposable, low tier villain to have received, by far, the most interesting, and more importantly effective, characterization is pretty frustrating. For me personally, the MC's companions are AGGRESSIVELY boring. The ghost girl herself was cookie cutter. For me, they just made the necromancer the most interesting character in the series, and then killed her for being so. I hope whatever comes next is great cause if its just the MC's friends being bland and arguing, I might have to drop this.
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