Maou Gun Saikyou no Majutsushi wa Ningen datta - Vol. 9 Ch. 36

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The cavalry that showed up later found a flank to fire their guns without friendly fire just fine:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/226e24a6-aba6-40f3-ae5c-563384dc121b/5

And there's also the enemy camp where the general was + likely still some high ranking officer to give out orders:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/226e24a6-aba6-40f3-ae5c-563384dc121b/12

Honestly what make no sense to me is you thinking that wet fuse/gunpowder is apparently such a hurdle that magic can't fix.
Mate, the cavalry attacked from the flank because the opposition was fully distracted by ONE person, Ike. Each using a pistol once to break through their lines, Ike who you just said could do amazing stuff with magic, so obviously there is no chance of friendly fire.
Completely different with a melee between armies. Of course there are still people giving commands and oversee the fight. Examples of foolish/cruel/ruthless commanders in different series (incl. this one) are typically shown by them firing ranged weapons into a melee because it leads to friendly fire.

Anyway, all that above are not very relevant to the discussion.


What’s important is the original argument, which you just responded with some handwaving:

It isn’t just prepping, Ike can’t produce fuse, gunpowder, bullets, or find and service guns with magic. There was an arc about this. So even if he can dry them, he need to source them. All those in a very short time.
If you say he got someone to find the gunpowder, fuse, bullets, and guns in advance, at that point why not make them prep the guns as well.

If you want me to concede the point, instead of debating tangential points, refute the original argument.
Perhaps there is a later or side story in the original media that shows Ike can now transmute gunpowder or bullet? Or one that shows he can fix/refresh guns somehow? Or even a later revelation that he exactly do what you said in the original media.

All you got to do is show in any part of the story: manga, novel, or side story showing something which directly refutes this statement: “Ike is unable to produce and prepare gunpowder, fuse, bullets, muskets and pistols with magic”.
 
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because the opposition was fully distracted by ONE person, Ike

Did you just suggest the other fights occurring before Ike enter just stop happening once he did?

Completely different with a melee between armies. Of course there are still people giving commands and oversee the fight.

If only these RANGE weapons can reach anything besides the people in the melee! /s

It isn’t just prepping, Ike can’t produce fuse, gunpowder, bullets, or find and service guns with magic. There was an arc about this.

You mean things like this
https://mangadex.org/chapter/09b8fde3-9d53-415d-8bef-07e9713ba9a4/8
https://mangadex.org/chapter/09b8fde3-9d53-415d-8bef-07e9713ba9a4/9
Oh look, alchemy can just make the fucking bullet (Ike can use this, earlier Sephiros mentioned she liked the sunglass he made for her)

The same arc, mind you, that also show these:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/a6c2417b-665f-4c14-89a0-baf026c1df1a/11
magical creature controlled by the sorcerer.
And guess what these can do:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/09b8fde3-9d53-415d-8bef-07e9713ba9a4/26
Perhaps there is a later or side story in the original media that shows Ike can now transmute gunpowder or bullet? Or one that shows he can fix/refresh guns somehow? Or even a later revelation that he exactly do what you said in the original media.
"There was an arc about this"
It's almost like you don't actually remember the details and only say what you 'think' was right.
 
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Did you just suggest the other fights occurring before Ike enter just stop happening once he did?



If only these RANGE weapons can reach anything besides the people in the melee! /s



You mean things like this
https://mangadex.org/chapter/09b8fde3-9d53-415d-8bef-07e9713ba9a4/8
https://mangadex.org/chapter/09b8fde3-9d53-415d-8bef-07e9713ba9a4/9
Oh look, alchemy can just make the fucking bullet (Ike can use this, earlier Sephiros mentioned she liked the sunglass he made for her)

The same arc, mind you, that also show these:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/a6c2417b-665f-4c14-89a0-baf026c1df1a/11
magical creature controlled by the sorcerer.
And guess what these can do:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/09b8fde3-9d53-415d-8bef-07e9713ba9a4/26

"There was an arc about this"
It's almost like you don't actually remember the details and only say what you 'think' was right.
Just look at the following page after the one you linked:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/09b8fde3-9d53-415d-8bef-07e9713ba9a4/10

Ike cannot make gunpowder out of thin air, he needed the materials.

The following page you link implies he needed Sephiro’s help to do so, the fact that he asked for help means he would have difficulty doing so himself. You contradicted yourself by bringing up that page. Don’t forget even Sephiro takes a while to make that.

The arc I referred to is Ike saving Gunther
https://mangadex.org/chapter/335b957f-f9f4-4e85-ab34-d715b20a773f/30
His army doesn’t have sufficient metallurgical capability to produce these guns. They cannot produce guns or service them with alchemy:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/335b957f-f9f4-4e85-ab34-d715b20a773f/8

To point out that making weapons is an effort done by blacksmiths and alchemists. And it takes time.

The creatures/golems were prepared in advance for that specific purpose. It was never stated that Ike made them, or that they can be made readily. Also these creatures needed tools such as rods, etc to do the reloading, this takes time. Hence they have shield holders to buy time.

Finally, don’t forget that in that fight there was very little time between Ike disappearing and ambushing the general.

You haven’t addressed how in this very short span of time all the requisite materials can be sourced and prepared.
Because what you’re saying is: Ike somehow made all these creatures, find the tools for these creatures to use, find the guns, find all the mats to make gunpowder, synthesize the gunpowder, created dozens of bullets with alchemy, and get the creatures to clean and prepare the guns all at the same time in the span of a minute or so.
 
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Just look at the following page after the one you linked:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/09b8fde3-9d53-415d-8bef-07e9713ba9a4/10

Ike cannot make gunpowder out of thin air, he needed the materials.

"Animal carcass or excrement in soil for two years"
Ike was literally standing right next to a forest.

Clearly there's no animal carcass in that forest soil at all/the forest isn't two years old right? /s

EDIT: Or that he can't substitute the gunpowder's force with small scale explosion magic of some kind (the guns serving more of aiming aid)

The following page you link implies he needed Sephiro’s help to do so, the fact that he asked for help means he would have difficulty doing so himself. You contradicted yourself by bringing up that page.

She's better than him at it, and in her case he's asking for ammunition for his line of troops.

But y'know what, he can always just recover the bullets lying around after it got fired as well if you really want only premade bullets.

His army doesn’t have sufficient metallurgical capability to produce these guns. They cannot produce guns or service them with alchemy:

Why the heck did you move the goal post to making guns, when initial assumption was he recovered guns on the ground to use them thus the question of him making the gun shouldn't be part of the argument in the first place.

You haven’t addressed how in this very short span of time all the requisite materials can be sourced and prepared.
Because what you’re saying is: Ike somehow made all these creatures, find the tools for these creatures to use, find the guns, find all the mats to make gunpowder, synthesize the gunpowder, created dozens of bullets with alchemy, and get the creatures to clean and prepare the guns all at the same time in the span of a minute or so.

And it'd still make more sense than your suggestion that he literally have soldiers in the back to retrieve used guns reload/service THEN WAIT ON STANDBY for him to perfectly get blasted away and land close enough to them to grab the guns off them and fire at the general.

Or with how you've moved it to it's impossible for him to make guns, maybe you'd also suggest his army was just making guns in the background too?

Yet these guns serviced by the soldiers who's specifically given such task were left with different length of fuses:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/62312fa4-68f8-4632-ad15-216ecc358468/26

Feel free to make your own suggestion that doesn't 'make no sense' of what happen.

EDIT: A much easier solution than 'he omegabrain it and have troops pick up fallen guns, service it and wait' would be he teleported to an active gun line (which would have loaded guns) grab some guns from them and teleport back to shoot the general.
 
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Whew.

I know that it's been very well done and everything, but I'm glad that this battle is finally drawing to a close. We've been stuck on this one battle for the last six months. It will be great to get back to the story and have actual plot development going on instead of nothing but WAAAAUUUUUGGGHHH!!!
 
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Whew.

I know that it's been very well done and everything, but I'm glad that this battle is finally drawing to a close. We've been stuck on this one battle for the last six months. It will be great to get back to the story and have actual plot development going on instead of nothing but WAAAAUUUUUGGGHHH!!!

[IN ANOTHER UNIVERSE]

BlackAeronaut: This was proper Gorky! Ugh, now there's the talky, thinky bits!

But yeah, long battles can be so wearing to a manga reader at times.

VOLUME 15: Yes, This Is Precisely One Fight.
 
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Ike technically became a Gundam with psycommu features and used his funnels on Aingod.
 
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...Is this really a translation at this point?
Edit: I spoke too soon, the end of the chapter actually has words
 
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NOooO, Valentine should be in the panels where the cefiro officers areValentine should be in the panels where the cefiro officers are:cry::cry::cry:
 
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