Maou-sama no Machizukuri! ~Saikyou no Dungeon wa Kindai Toshi~ - Vol. 5 Ch. 27

[Macrendil]

@boag Isekai literally translates to "different world". The concept of isekai in a novel/manga/anime is that of an MC doing his stuff in this "other world" after being summoned there, reincarnated there as a baby or 'something' happens and they transmigrate there. Summoning, reincarnating and transmigrating are the only way for a story to be called "isekai". If the MC was born (first-time) in that world, its a regular Fantasy setting, even if the MC is technically reincarnated as seen with Anos Voldigoad in Maou Gakuin.

Maou Gakuen = Fantasy
Danmachi = Fantasy
Re-zero = Isekai
Konosuba = Isekai

 

[GrayBypasser]

@Tuney I think it meant only the memories of their planet(the world they live in), just that a different demon lords are the embodiments of the different sets of memories.
@ShionSinX it may be that the stars aren't exactly entities, instead this world can possess something like a noosphere, where all information is stored and can be somehow accessed.
@Stickman Well, that revelation doesn't really change anything, what is there to dwell upon? Only Procell had an idea about his origin(reincarnation), other demon lords probably just knew that they simply came into existence. It's not like their worldview was shattered.
@piay123 The line about mc being able to do smth directly supposedly means that he, unlike other lords, can access world's memories and directly manifest them as physical objects. Other demon lords have skills that are related to those memories but they aren't able to directly use them.

 

[Le_Flemard]

@boag
That's you modifying what Isekai mean.
Isekai has always meant "another world", "tensei", which means reincarnation, can be in an isekai, by example : "isekai tensei" would mean "reincarnation in another world" (if I added the japanese word for in which alas I do not know).
Tensei does not even have to be in a fantasy world, you could have a reincarnation of a middle age person in today's society by example.
An Isekai, as the genre is defined to be different always involve memory, knowledge or person coming from a world to another, be it by reincarnation or other mean.
By example "By the Grace of the Gods" is an isekai done by tensei.
To be simple lot if you draw ven diagram between isekai and tensei, you would see that a large portion of tensei is in the isekai circle.

 

[SuppaTenko]

@boag
Tensei by definition is rebirth/reincarnation
Isekai is different world

You can have Tensei without an Isekai (reincarnating in the same world a few centuries later etc) and you can have Isekai without dying (Digimon Adventures). But yes, this series doesn't seem to be isekai lol.

We can't really broaden "Different world" to "Places you haven't been to before"; that's just adventure/exploration.

The real question "I died in Tokyo, Reincarnated as a hero of middle earth, died of old age and was transmigrated back to Tokyo right before I died but I kept all my powers so I survived the car crash" is this an isekai? Probably not...? To be defined as Isekai it would have to have the final location be the isekai and not the middle man... but "Devil is a part-timer" is reverse isekai of fantasy->modern japan so we can't say Tokyo isn't an isekai location.

 

[boag]

@Macrendil @SuppaTenko

I thank you for expanding on my point, although I dont know why it was it was directed solely at me.
Yes isekai literally means "another world", if this requirement is not met, then its not an isekai.

@Le_Flemard
you literally made the argument that receiving info from another world is isekai, im not the one changing terms here, you are.
Thats why i made such a hyperbolic statement as an example of people broadening the term.

Ive had runnings with people that think Isekai means videogame mechanics, and therefore Goblin Slayer is an Isekai, which is ludicrous.

 

[Nathol]

ty

 

[greatninja3]

Wanted the fat guy to join he’s a nice guy

 

[Kikiguardian]

Not isekai confirmed lol

 

[Akxera]

Nooo, I miss Uncle skelly form. 😢

 

[Blackheart9009]

So like, correct me if I'm wrong, the main character isn't a reincarnation but rather an incarnation of the sun. Because of this he possesses the knowledge and memories of the sun and, because the sun witnessed humanity on earth, he has knowledge of our tech.

I dunno if this is a good interpretation of the born from stars but.
Honestly I'm really tired while reading this chapter and writing this. So I very easily could be missing or misunderstanding something.

 

[th5kjss]

Oh no. Morax is dead (again)!

 

[parkourse]

Deadass?

 

[wangtheone]

I thought if the dungeons crystal was destroyed the demon lord died along with it? How come Zagan is alive?

 

[kyonichisama]

i see

it just happened the mc is star on earth so he have knowledge of our technology i guess

and my boy wight is so dandy now

 

[le3]

Ronove is too pure for this world. Should just live in Lolicell city....

 

[Wataterp]

@Blackheart9009 this is my interpretation. Earth, our planet, is just one of many stars. MC was born from our Earth's memories, that's why he has modern knowledge. Other demon lords were born from the memories of other stars, in other words, other worlds. MC is just lucky to be born from a planet's memories that has advance technology, because no one seems to know what a gun is. I'm assuming that out of all the stars or worlds out there, Earth is one of the few, if not, the only one that has technological advancements.

Basically stars = planets, and MC was born from Earth's memories while others were born from memories of different planets/stars.

Star doesn't necessarily mean the sun, especially in a medieval age. Remember, medieval people still didn't know that star are suns, and some of the planets in our solar system can be seen in the night sky and look like stars, although they don't twinkle.

 

[Syanalassa]

@Blackheart9009 I might be wrong but I thought that the creator meant the demon lords were all memories of the same star but had memories from different times in its history so his memories were from a time closer to ours in terms of tech while like beast his parent would be from a more primal time

 

[Wataterp]

Props to the Creator for being nice enough for answering MC's questions he had in mind when he just asked one question. He's a cool dude, I like him. He's like that weird uncle that gives you cool presents in christmas.

 

[wahyurockajn]

@Wataterp except that weird uncle is a huge prankster that you start to feel careful around him XD
well i have friend like that so i kinda understand the mc feeling :v

 

[frostymocha777]

so this isnt an isekai