Mato Seihei no Slave - Ch. 146 - Responsibility

[kaZeTenShi]

so a couple of notes.

the only god capable of disguise was taken out and now resides in yuuki. Kyouka and yuuki noticed the god in disguise almost immediately. if you re-read that arc in shangri-la you will notice them cock blocking her kills constantly on purpose. so there is little chance someone is spying on this.

my other note is that this arc is important, as it sets the stage for the calamity the gods have cooking with their curse. an event that ren with her lack of self control and possible vulnerability to curses will not be able to handle. Ren is only useful if she produces results and never loses. The gods humiliating her and causing mass casualties immediately after Ren is called out for her methods will cause major backlash and she will lose all that precious control she has. the onmyou organization will also suffer major losses for backing her as well.

Pretty sure the previous chief of 7th Squad that Kyouka replaced was under the control of the Gods, there are various examples of this shown over the previous arc. There is also an indication that she willingly joined them after being humiliated. Yumeji-san I believe her name was?

These individuals were quite obvious in their approach and openly identified that they had the power of the Gods
This, despite being a really obvious ploy to display their... self-confidence? I guess... backfired on them every single time. But what if they weren't so open about this information. Would anybody even be able to tell?

I would prefer if the story would expand on this

This is kind of one main problem I have with this arc. Everybody seems to be conveniently selective in their approach with the Gods.
In one instance, Kyouka believes its worth her time to save somebody who openly defected to the God's side, and use their power. We don't know the extent of this... for example, if she freely offered herself, of if she was captured and tortured... twisted and manipulated.
But it demonstrates that the God's are willing to 'use' humans, even if they think lowly of them, and want to erradicate them.
My problem with this arc, is that instead of explaining these things, which I think was a really interesting development, its creating a whole new development, that is quickly being nipped in the bud.
Despite that, she is more than willing to trust and save her past comrade. But is untrusting of the Gods who freely surrendered
Ren has an already well established megalomaniac arctype, this arc literally just expands on it, when its already been expanded on
The politicians seem to swing like a pendulum in under a minute, first they're shocked, second they completely disregard the shock factor to openly declare they cannot support anyone else. Even if Ren gamer-raged, it doesn't really matter if we don't see it

Kyouka "Look guys! The Omnyouji was experimenting on humans! That's kinda fucked up no?"
Random two politicians shocked face! ...anyway! I'ma support Commander Rem! Despite just exposing a literal violation of her authority. Sorry bout that!
Random politician: I wonder what kind of resources we can tap from these creatures. Who cares if they want to eradicate us and the 3 biggest moments where we were completely fucked the one person I'm throwing all my faith into wasn't there, and did literally fuck all....

Kyouka "Look guys! You are underestimating the Gods!"
Ren "Don't worry! I'm overpowered, if I'm here we'll be fine!"
Kyouka "You weren't there the last three times we fought the Gods! We literally cannot rely on you because you're busy playing house with your political friends"
Ren "I said don't worry!"
Kyouka "1v1 me, if I survive a minute, it proves my point"
Ren "gamer rage"

Like what the hell even is this discourse?

 

[letmereadmangas]

this dream world...LET ME IN....PLSSSSSS

 

[ItsThatBriGuy]

Lmao Ren is seeing firsthand what Tenka meant by "love".

Tenka supports Kyouka because she wants to get in Yuuki's pants.

Meanwhile, Mira is going to support Kyouka because she's already been "inside" his pants.

Tenka's spent plenty of time with Yuuki where no one's pants were anywhere in sight, but the point still stands.

 

[KuroeNekumi]

it would be nice if there are real consequences for the idiot mc decision.

Probably the onmyouji agency trying to get their hands on him regardless and enacting some fucked up plan they've been cooking in secret.

That's the only thing that really makes sense at this point in time, with all the buildup to it with so little appearances of anything they do or have done.

And it all would be happening at the same time as the stuff with the god's plans, if it isn't the thing that buys them some extra time to finish it.

 

[scarletcrow]

As twisted as I think Ren's mind is, I don't think she would allow the Onmyou agency to dissect Yuuki. She's shown that she does care and can be quite protective of her "possessions" (Bell, her dogs, and Varvara, to a certain extent). Now that she sets her eyes on Yuuki, I don't think she will be willing to just give him up to the Onmyou agency. In fact, I believe, given how arrogant Ren is, she'd definitely ignore their request even when it means losing their approvals.

Furthermore, I know this will sound unpopular, but I actually think Ren deserves her position. Yes she definitely has flaws, but she's shown that she's not dumb, and she does command FEAR and RESPECT from the normal humans, Japan and overseas. Something that Kyouka could be struggling with. In the long run, I believe it's actually best for the chiefs to get Ren on THEIR side, rather than against them. Remember that yes Kyouka has her strong conviction from her previous trauma, but would that automatically make Ren a worse leader than Kyouka? It sounds like an underdog bias, which is a common trope in manga. We actually never shown that the MDF was incompetent under Ren's leadership, no? In fact it seems that she actually was a more capable leader than her predecessor, Tobera.

 

[Schernobyl]

You call it smart, I call it nonsensical. The whole slave thing is because to Kyuoka's power and is a consensual relationship between the two. He's not a literal piece of property that can be traded between owners.

Sarcasm doesn't translate well. It's why I wish we had a universal sarcasm font.. Ren claiming Yuuki as her slave was the worst decision. Yuuki is popular with the other captains and he's helped them all. Ren unilaterally taking him pushes all the other ladies who have had there powers improved or simply been helped by him towards Kyouka.

I was questioning the ability of Ren to unilaterally make him her Slave. Kyouka has to lend Yuuki to others for them for her power to work atleast that's what I thought.

 

[scarletcrow]

And also, while she's quite full of herself and believe that she is superior above everyone else, she never actually berate or put down any other chief under her. Even Kyouka was praised by her for her "passion" in more than one occasion. And think about it, she is, on paper, still the most powerful being on the world. Do they really think antagonizing her would serve them well on the long run? Ren needs guidance, but if they all completely create a front opposing her, what do they think could happen?

 

[kaZeTenShi]

And also, while she's quite full of herself and believe that she is superior above everyone else, she never actually berate or put down any other chief under her. Even Kyouka was praised by her for her "passion" in more than one occasion. And think about it, she is, on paper, still the most powerful being on the world. Do they really think antagonizing her would serve them well on the long run? Ren needs guidance, but if they all completely create a front opposing her, what do they think could happen?

You are giving Ren a lot of credit here. I'm not sure why

Whether or not Ren is good at her job doesn't really seem to hold any real relevance. I'd say mostly due to the fact that nobody really fills the position of being the polar opposite.
Nobody in this roster is a.. ... for lack of a better word, a jackass! Nobody is that proud, puffed up, my way at all cost, type of person. So its really hard to hate anybody tbh

Tobera was unpopular due to her cocky nature. But if memory serves me well Ren was groomed for the position by her father, only for her to turn on him when she rose to power, because she resisted his abusive nature. I might be remembering it poorly, I'm not sure, totally gonna reread this series, but Ren seems to be the child that was brought up purely for the position of leader. So yea, I would expect her to be good at it. I 100% agree when you say its both respect and fear. Good post!

But since nobody in the story is that kind of a douchebag that you just hate to see them lead, its kind of hard to sell that.

Same goes for Kyouka. She simply hasn't demonstrated the capacity to be a commander, because she is not required to be a commander. To put it in the inverse context. She doesn't 'lack' any of the qualities either.
Most of her flaws she has been humble enough to admit, and even thanked those who helped her grow as a result of it. When she lost control due to her lust for revenge, she immediately composed herself and realised what was most important to her was her squad and the people she cared for.

If there is any bias... I wouldn't say its "underdog", but moreso... Kyouka has grown from the experience... People, including myself, would much rather see that experience and growth progression pay for itself!
Ren on the other hand has always been at the top, its hard to see growth from her... apart from one certain perverse nature that is slowly developing (chuckles)

 

[scarletcrow]

Yeah, I was thinking to put myself in the shoes of one of the chief. Assuming I don't have any "unprofessional" affection towards Yuuki Wakura (lol), would I really place myself in the position to possibly anger the most powerful being on the planet, for the sake of Kyouka, which might be a better leader, but might also be not. And yes I might come across as defending her too much, but it's because people seems to see her as this arrogant leader with no redeemable qualities, while in fact, I think she's been doing not too shabby of a job. She entrusted Bell and Varvara to Kyouka to let them grow, meaning that she acknowledged Kyouka's qualities as a better instructor than herself, at the very least.

 

[QuickSlasher]

caught me off gaurd

 

[kaZeTenShi]

Yeah, I was thinking to put myself in the shoes of one of the chief. Assuming I don't have any "unprofessional" affection towards Yuuki Wakura (lol), would I really place myself in the position to possibly anger the most powerful being on the planet, for the sake of Kyouka, which might be a better leader, but might also be not. And yes I might come across as defending her too much, but it's because people seems to see her as this arrogant leader with no redeemable qualities, while in fact, I think she's been doing not too shabby of a job. She entrusted Bell and Varvara to Kyouka to let them grow, meaning that she acknowledged Kyouka's qualities as a better instructor than herself, at the very least.

nothing wrong with that.
sry i wasnt judging you or anything.

The story places us as the reader/audience in the position that the plot demands Kyouka steps up to the role as commander, since its her goal. If she isn't good enough, we as the audience have to trust that she'll step up when it matters, and grow to become the best she possibly can be.

I don't personally have any issues with Ren has a character, I wouldn't call her arrogant, but i'd rather call it megalomania... she's driven purely out of power due to having so much power of her own, and its totally understandable. Hell, even tho she wants to accept the God's surrender, she herself said its most likely a trap but still wants to persue it
Its one of those unique situations where being so high up, you forget about the strength of those around you... kinda? I guess? IDK

I just worry about this plot direction, I feel like its not giving the characters who need this arc, the respect they truly deserve. We aren't really getting to know these politicians to any degree, how they tick or think or what their goals and motivations are.
All the characters that we're well acquianted with in the story thus far are pretty much stealing the spotlight. Which makes me feel like its a wasted opportunity.

Do we REALLY need to know Kyouka can survive a minute vs Ren?
Do we REALLY need to know Mira's intentions to support Kyouka?
Do we REALLY need a bunch of hand-waving from Ren?

Between the most under-rated characters; Bell, Yakumo (yuri hentai!!!), Fubuki, Konomi and Varvara (note I only say they're under-rated because they've been the most silent during this entire arc). We haven't really seen them express their support for... well... anybody.
We dont know if their votes will sway, or change, or what they even were in the first place.
We could probably guess a couple, like Bell will most likely side with Ren no matter what, Varvara will support Kyouka no matter what; but what of the others?

I feel like the story should focus on them, but they've been the most inactive, which I feel is a missed opportunity

 

[scarletcrow]

True, would be interesting if the Author could expand more on the thoughts of Fubuki, Yakumo, and Konomi. They seem to be the most important swing voters.

 

[Greg_157]

@flamewingman
"wrong bad move, simp.
then again, they are desperate."

Simp is NOT the word to use here, you goober.

Everyone calling Yukki a "simp" or this was a "bad move" is stupid and clearly DO NOT understand what he's doing. He's using Ren's cockiness against her by fueling everyone else. Especially Kyouka, which is why she tweaked out when Ren tried to claim Yukki as her slave.

Yukki took a risk, and it paid off. If anything, he had balls of steel and raw conviction to do what he did.

 

[Greg_157]

There's nothing petty here, she is just trying to undestand why her totaly broken power did not work to break Yuki's reward.

People just hate on Ren anytime she's shown because they are THAT pressed and butthurt about her. It's sad. #RenSupremecy

 

[Greg_157]

Yuuki is actually rétarded man. He was saved by Mira.

Everyone calling Yukki a "simp" or this was a "bad move" is stupid and clearly DO NOT understand what he's doing. He's using Ren's cockiness against her by fueling everyone else. Especially Kyouka, which is why she tweaked out when Ren tried to claim Yukki as her slave.

Yukki took a risk, and it paid off. If anything, he had balls of steel and raw conviction to do what he did.

He's not retarded, you're the retard for not understanding what he was doing.

 

[Greg_157]

.... name?

"My Wife is the Student Council President"

 

[Greg_157]

Now officially Yuuki is become not a person but a thing . It is worst outcome.

My reader position, Kyouka become bad chief, because she can't place in check your subordinate.

And now i think this writing is sloppy

Then you don't understand jackshit.

 

[Greg_157]

Imagine being so fucking stupid that your actions can only be salvaged by a deux ex mechina (mira in this case) MC was beyond retarded this chapter.

Everyone calling Yukki a "simp" or this was a "bad move" is stupid and clearly DO NOT understand what he's doing. He's using Ren's cockiness against her by fueling everyone else. Especially Kyouka, which is why she tweaked out when Ren tried to claim Yukki as her slave.

Yukki took a risk, and it paid off. If anything, he had balls of steel and raw conviction to do what he did.

He's not retarded; you're the retard for not seeing the vision.

 

[Knighto]

Ok so i said this a while back that the car date kinda had all the classic indications that they fucked. did this just confirmed that? she is in his lap and his pants were completely undone.

if they already had segs, Tenka would have gotten her turn a long time ago, she wouldn't wait at all

 

[Oract]

I'm...I don't know. This Yuuki's move was as much smart as it was stupid. Like, it depends on the interpretation of his plan. Putting himself in a position like this was a "good idea" because he has too much credit with others. They won't let him just end up being a literal slave of Ren or a lab rat. But I don't feel like that what he planned. It seems he just thought his argument would be convincing enough. Because I think he looked a bit too much "surprised" after Ren's order and this old lady talking about experiment, for someone who "thought about that". He looked more like "shit I failed", and then hopefully got saved by Mira.

That being said, even if it's a foolish move, I don't think it's a bad thing. Depending on the consequences, for the story and the character development. So just let's wait and see. And it shows his loyalty and how much brave he can be.

About the election, I don't know man. Ren is definitly better suited for the role, if you think about it from a politic perspective. She has more leadership, she's also more powerful. And she's not DUMB. She is the best "solution for mankind", but in the same time, right now, she's ironicaly the greatest flaw gods can exploit. Can't wait to see how the situation will evolve.