Meguro-san wa Hajimete ja Nai - Vol. 11 Ch. 78

[BalrogDeMorgoth]

Just ignore him. You are talking to a wall.

Don't insult walls like that, a wall wouldn't be so noisy while obviously wrong and it wouldn't keep being noisy despite having clearly lost the argument so hard they gave up.

Dude is just babbling for the sake of feeling better and getting the last word at this point;

 

[enjoyingmanga]

Just ignore him. You are talking to a wall.

As a matter, just to demonstrate the truth clearly, as you can clearly see here Chapter 30.5 (and so people can gain some perspective outside of what is in the thread):

The chapter clearly shows Meguro has grown to appreciate Sensei for his role in her life, exactly, because of her poor relationship, with Sensei, who was her first love, where she did not learn to fall in love, which led her to meet Koga, which made her appreciate how Sensei was her first love, and, at the same time, she clarifies that knows that Sensei didn't care too much about being lovers, and she explains it in the final chapter, that he only saw her as a student, so their future could never be that of two lovers - so clearly, Meguro grew to appreciate Sensei, not because of the romantic lessons that he directly taught her, but for the romantic lessons he did not teach her, and what those taught her, and for the academic lessons that he taught her, because of his role as a teacher in her life, which is why she falls in love with him, and, why she thanks him for being her first teacher.

So, where's the fan-fiction here?

 

[enjoyingmanga]

Don't insult walls like that, a wall wouldn't be so noisy while obviously wrong and it wouldn't keep being noisy despite having clearly lost the argument so hard they gave up.

Dude is just babbling for the sake of feeling better and getting the last word at this point;

No more what's happening is revealing that you're unaware of who Meguro is as a character, and what actually happened in the manga.

 

[Desertking1]

What are these comments? What’s there not to get? The author fumbled and that’s all lmaoo.

 

[enjoyingmanga]

Yes, you did, you just told everyone calling you illiterate and retarded that they are illiterate and retarded. It's your illiteracy showing again.


Which is true.


Nope, that's still you.


No, I said something true about indian scammers and your english skills, which made you go all racist.


Everyone agrees you're the moron tho.


Your assurances don't matter, you're illiterate and coping.


Nobody asked.


An open mind won't suddenly make your fanfic real and you begging for attention and to be listened to byputting your entire cope text in bold won't do shit either. You being illiterate is the consensus and it reinforce itself the more you talk.

I actually started by disagreeing with you all intellectually and only started calling you illiterate, once you did, and when you showed real, actual signs of illiteracy, like not understanding the meaning of paraphrasing and misspelling words.

I didn't call everyone, illiterate and retarded though, quote the post where I call, everyone, illiterate and retarded.

And for some reason, you keep insulting Indian people and associating them with scammers when there is no need to do that to discuss this manga...

You're the person who is showing off ridiculously low intelligence here, you say something racist and then blame it on someone else.

 

[enjoyingmanga]

What are these comments? What’s there not to get? The author fumbled and that’s all lmaoo.

It's fine to say you don't like it, but to say the author "fumbled" because of bad writing, when it's just something, you don't like is unfair and misleading, that's been the point the entire time, especially when there are people, who know nothing about the story, and will take your opinion as the absolute truth.

 

[Desertking1]

It's fine to say you don't like it, but to say the author "fumbled" because of bad writing, when it's just something, you don't like is unfair and misleading, that's been the point the entire time, especially when there are people, who know nothing about the story, and will take your opinion as the absolute truth.

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree. I don’t like the way the author handled this last arc. It started off decent then got interesting Last couple of arcs I wasn’t a fan of. Especially when Meguro meddled with her friend‘s relationship. The whole thing was a bit weird to me and kinda forced. The MC was annoying towards the end by making her want to go back to the ex after everything and whole reason for the breakup was dumb. The confessionin this chapter was ok but not a fan of how the author handled it last couple of arc. To me she fumbled it.

 

[awkwardusername]

WE'RE FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Thank you for your hard work

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

It's fine to say you don't like it, but to say the author "fumbled" because of bad writing, when it's just something, you don't like is unfair and misleading, that's been the point the entire time, especially when there are people, who know nothing about the story, and will take your opinion as the absolute truth.

It's absolutely shitty writing though. Just because you like that shitty writing, doesn't mean other people can't call it bad.

 

[enjoyingmanga]

It's absolutely shitty writing though. Just because you like that shitty writing, doesn't mean other people can't call it bad.

It's not absolutely shitty writing, that's your subjective opinion, what is absolutely shitty, is spamming dislikes on a stranger's post - it's annoying, and, it's against the site's rules - that's indisputable.

You need to learn what the word absolutely means, there's too many people running around using words, without understanding their meaning.

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

It's not absolutely shitty writing, that's your subjective opinion, what is absolutely shitty, is spamming dislikes on a stranger's post - it's annoying, and, it's against the site's rules - that's indisputable.

You need to learn what the word absolutely means, there's too many people running around using words, without understanding their meaning.

Of course guy who argues nonsense for several pages also claims other bullshit. Forum rules are here, nothing against reactions. If anyone is spamming, it's those who keep repeating the same argument for several pages, making it hard to even notice other people's comments.

If guy would straight up bound and raped her, hitting her whenever she tries to resist, I bet you'd still claim same bullshit "no, she thanked him for teaching her so well, the rape was separate matter. She just said that rape was important part of her past and ultimately made her the happy person she is now, meeting her beloved boyfriend who healed her in result, but she was also thanking him because his tutoring made it possible for her to pass her exams, even if he brutally raped her as well. It doesn't mean that rape wasn't bad thing, you're misinterpreting what author meant".

And one last thing, you mentioned perspectives "outside this thread", but anywhere I looked, 4chan, Reddit, people everywhere were trashing this the same way people in this thread do. Funny that. Find me one place where people commenting on this chapter agree with your view.

 

[Knighto]

I just wanted to get a last laugh with the people reading how we're finally free from this.

What are these comments? What’s there not to get? The author fumbled and that’s all lmaoo.

hahaha I get you, can't believe we got this discussion here.

It's not absolutely shitty writing, that's your subjective opinion, what is absolutely shitty, is spamming dislikes on a stranger's post - it's annoying, and, it's against the site's rules - that's indisputable.

You need to learn what the word absolutely means, there's too many people running around using words, without understanding their meaning.

It's not spamming, he just doesn’t like your post, not that hard to get. He clearly has his stance that is not the same as yours.

I think its pretty much an esteblished fact at this point that Meguro is severely autistic. Which makes what the groomer did even more horrendous. Koga is just a templete and what author thinks an ideal boyfriend is like (it isn't).

Meguro just goes along with whatever she is told like the robot she is. I've said this before but if someone told her to fuck the groomer to make sure she is moved on, she would. Noone can say she wouldn't from the things we've shown so far. And Koga would be ok with it because he is not human.

weird that your point didn't get mention by the fanfic enthusiast, as pretty much is the main reason most readers didn’t like the last arc

 

[enjoyingmanga]

Of course guy who argues nonsense for several pages also claims other bullshit. Forum rules are here, nothing against reactions. If anyone is spamming, it's those who keep repeating the same argument for several pages, making it hard to even notice other people's comments.

If guy would straight up bound and raped her, hitting her whenever she tries to resist, I bet you'd still claim same bullshit "no, she thanked him for teaching her so well, the rape was separate matter. She just said that rape was important part of her past and made her who she is now, but she was also thanking him because his tutoring made it possible for her to pass her exams, even if he brutally raped as well. It doesn't mean that rape wasn't bad thing, you're misinterpreting what author meant".

1) "Don't engage in objectionable behavior towards others such as racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, religious discrimination, personal attacks, particularly distasteful jokes, and so on, at the discretion of moderators."

You can get banned for spamming dislikes, just because you're saying that you can't doesn't mean that you can't get banned for spamming dislikes - spamming dislikes, and going after people, like what you're doing is definitely objectionable.

2) I have literally said multiple times that you can say you dislike it, but saying that it is absolutely bad, is ridiculous.

There's nothing nonsensical that happens that is so unbelievable that you cannot understand how or why it goes in the story.

Boyfriend tells girlfriend go study with your first love who is a better teacher than me so you can't get into university.
Girlfriend breaks up with boyfriend because romance is distracting her from achieving her goal.

There's nothing absolutely bad about that.
3) I clearly said that she called him out said his behavior as bad, and thanked him his role as a teacher, and for teaching her indirectly through her words and actions, what it was like to be in a love-less relationship, which positioned her to be in a relationship with, and to value her relationship with Koga, and to find value in her relationship with Sensei.

4) What is absolutely disgusting and a terrible objectionable personal attack is you saying that somehow anything that I said suggests I would condone rape, what you are saying is beyond idiotic and stupid.

Go see a doctor.

The internet is only a fraction of the population, and even if a lot of people believe something that doesn't make it true, a lot of people think the last election was stolen from Donald Trump, you can go anywhere on the internet, or in the real world, and have people say it's true, but that doesn't make it true, does it?

 

[enjoyingmanga]

I just wanted to get a last laugh with the people reading how we're finally free from this.

hahaha I get you, can't believe we got this discussion here.


It's not spamming, he just doesn’t like your post, not that hard to get. He clearly has his stance that is not the same as yours.


weird that your point didn't get mention by the fanfic enthusiast, as pretty much is the main reason most readers didn’t like the last arc

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I cannot believe the nonsense that people will really say out loud, it's obvious that he has a different stance, but that doesn't change the fact that he spammed dislikes.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you, it should be common sense.

Was honestly boring, I kinda just paid attention to the cute parts after a while because anything else it tried to do was sleep inducing.

Looking at your post, this is your and a lot of other people's problem, clearly by the last arc, she had complete control of herself, and was not a robot, was never autistic, that's stupid to say, but all of your basic criticisms show that you didn't like the story and were too careless to really pay attention to the nuances in the story.

It is the stupidest thing to say she would do anything with Sensei as it's clearly shown that she set clear boundaries for what she wouldn't allow him to do in the final arc to control his behavior, but you all didn't actually read the story.

It's actually amusing, saying I'm discussing a fan-fiction but you have no idea what happened in the story.

 

[enjoyingmanga]

Really just proves my point about people saying things, but having no clue what actually goes on in the manga, which was originally the point, it's not good to mislead readers about what is actually going on in the manga.

So yeah, once again, anybody who sees this, don't take what I say, or what anyone else, in this thread says, about the writing as the absolute truth, go and read it, and form your own opinion about it.

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

1) "Don't engage in objectionable behavior towards others such as racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, religious discrimination, personal attacks, particularly distasteful jokes, and so on, at the discretion of moderators."

You can get banned for spamming dislikes, just because you're saying that you can't doesn't mean that you can't get banned for spamming dislikes - spamming dislikes, and going after people, like what you're doing is definitely objectionable.

Dude, seek help. Not only you try to quote something that's not actually in site rules, just like you make up fanfiction to defend the manga, you also pretend disliking you comment is equal to personal attack. The point of emojis is to avoid mass of comments replying with similar content to same content, so we don't have pages of people arguing with same dude and explaining him the why he's wrong with same argument.

And nowhere I said you would condone rape, : "[...]the rape was separate matter.[...]It doesn't mean that rape wasn't bad thing, you're misinterpreting what author meant". This is the same way you keep saying that tutor was bad boyfriend, but she wasn't thanking him for that, but for getting her in schools. Then again, you also falsely accused another poster of racism, so I guess I can't expect better.

 

[enjoyingmanga]

Dude, seek help. Not only you try to quote something that's not actually in site rules, just like you make up fanfiction to defend the manga, you also pretend disliking you comment is equal to personal attack. The point of emojis is to avoid mass of comments replying with similar content to same content, so we don't have pages of people arguing with same dude and explaining him the why he's wrong with same argument.

And nowhere I said you would condone rape, : "[...]the rape was separate matter.[...]It doesn't mean that rape wasn't bad thing, you're misinterpreting what author meant". This is the same way you keep saying that tutor was bad boyfriend, but she wasn't thanking him for that, but for getting her in schools. Then again, you also falsely accused another poster of racism, so I guess I can't expect better.

You are stating that I would not get outraged, and reject it as being objectionable, outright, which is exactly what I would do.

There's nothing that I've said that would suggest I would view it, or his negative actions so far, as a separate or even mildly tolerable matter.

I have never said anything that would suggest that I would set aside his bad behavior or considered it acceptable.

I specifically said he can do good and bad things, good things being help her get into school, and bad things being his role as her first love.

I literally said in my posts that she calls him out for doing something bad, and it is bad, and other characters have said that it is bad, and never said that it is tolerable what he did. I said that she is thanking him for getting her into schools, and for how his role as her first love positively impacted her like is discussed in Chapter 30.5, where she states because of him, she was able to meet and date Koga.

It clearly says in the manga that she values him expressly because him being a bad first love, helped her meet Koga.

I quoted the literal site rules from the page on the site, and like I said, the site rules clearly give the moderators a broad range of things that they can ban people for, just because you believe they can't doesn't mean they can't, and just because it doesn't expressly say they can't, doesn't mean they can't.

The point of an using emoji is obviously and clearly to convey your belief about something, while it can be used to prevent people from needing to post, that is not why it was done. It was done because you wanted to convey a belief about what I wrote.

Also, unfortunately, it did not stop you from reaching out to reply to my comments, so you could argue with me, and create multiple posts about disbelieving what I wrote. I do wish that you spamming my notifications with emojis did prevent you from commenting on my post, but it did not unfortunately.

I never once said that the other person was racist, I did say they insulted Indian people - they said I was being racist, somehow - which is also funny.

The only thing you're showing is that you didn't read my post, and you didn't read the manga, and you're repeating what you saw someone else say.

You find me so annoying but you replied to me. I never expressed any desire to speak to you.

 

[Septazia]

Well once again, another author who puts girl who have had sex in a negative light, perhaps unconsciously so.

Now I think I would be more interested to see, maybe it exists, a story of a guy who had sex and found it, not traumatic but stale, boring, overrated and thus while having friends he is "broken" in the sense that he doesn't see the need to extend a relationship beyond a certain point.

I mean, they sure tried to bait with an even worse ending, definitely left a bad taste in my mouth. But it's likely because they didn't know how else to end it, and didn't want a "boring" happy ending or something so they cooked too hard until it was burnt. Not the worst, but definitely lost a lot of it's charm by ending the way it did.

Why is it that only .0001% of manga actually have an ending, and of those that do only .001% are actually decent? Worst thing about the medium.

Why do so many authors seem to think that a traditional ending will make the story unmemorable? I mean, is this really what they are thinking?

Look at John Wick, first one, you KNOW how the story will go, that the dog is just the most basic excuse to get the plot going....and where is it now? 4 movies, 1 mini series, a spinoff coming, 2 videogames and at least 2 crossovers and Re-launched Keanu Reeves career.

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

Well once again, another author who puts girl who have had sex in a negative light, perhaps unconsciously so.

Now I think I would be more interested to see, maybe it exists, a story of a guy who had sex and found it, not traumatic but stale, boring, overrated and thus while having friends he is "broken" in the sense that he doesn't see the need to extend a relationship beyond a certain point.


Why do so many authors seem to think that a traditional ending will make the story unmemorable? I mean, is this really what they are thinking?

Look at John Wick, first one, you KNOW how the story will go, that the dog is just the most basic excuse to get the plot going....and where is it now? 4 movies, 1 mini series, a spinoff coming, 2 videogames and at least 2 crossovers and Re-launched Keanu Reeves career.

Read Kouiu no Ga Ii , both girl and guy aren't virgins at all, they become friends with benefits, but the friends part is also important, they just have fun and fuck a lot.

As for endings, I'd say that tons of romance manga have traditional boring endings too, in fact this chapter taken alone was traditional boring ending. It's just that manga authors have a trouble to write good ending arcs before it. Probably because if manga is popular they want to keep adding drama just so they can write more of it, and if it isn't popular it gets axed so they have to wrap it up quickly, which rarely leads to well written last arc.

 

[enjoyingmanga]

Read Kouiu no Ga Ii , both girl and guy aren't virgins at all, they become friends with benefits, but the friends part is also important, they just have fun and fuck a lot.

As for endings, I'd say that tons of romance manga have traditional boring endings too, in fact this chapter taken alone was traditional boring ending. It's just that manga authors have a trouble to write good ending arcs before it. Probably because if manga is popular they want to keep adding drama just so they can write more of it, and if it isn't popular it gets axed so they have to wrap it up quickly, which rarely leads to well written last arc.

I can imagine why you want to avoid acknowledging telling a lie about somebody too, and oh, contradicting yourself by stating how the point of spamming emojis and filling up someone's notifications is to avoid arguing with somebody, over the same point... only to then start an argument with that person over the same point, yourself.