Monogatari no Kuromaku ni Tensei shite ~Shinka Suru Maken to Game Chishiki de Subete o Nejifuseru~ - Vol. 4 Ch. 14

[Heavenstar]

That's good to hear. Man, I really should start reading the WN. It's been in my backlog for years.

A great story to read on a slow weekend afternoon.

Storywise, it's a roller coaster the beginning is quite hype then by Volume 2-3 it slows down then picks back up against by Volume 4 onwards.

Just like Maseki Gurume this is a slow paced story.

 

[Heavenstar]

"better than intertwining with the opposite sex" what if he's just gay? What if rough gay sex could fix him? Anyway

God I fucking hate isekai, but here I am. Just like, fall in love with a girl like everyone else. I get Isekai is heavily a wish fulfillment genre but does everyone who writes them really want like 3 girlfriends that badly?

Yes there are thousands perhaps millions of people worldwide who do cherish the idea of getting a harem

Isekai is a subgenre that is suppose to have everything for everyone so it's up to the reader to find exactly what they want and not the other way around.

For a start, I think english translated isekai should be divided into subgenres and add a whole lot more tags like how they do in Japan to make it easier for people to find exactly what they want.

 

[TheGrandMugwump]

This fight went in a weird direction. One second they're fighting, the next they're sharing fetishes. Thanks for the translations.

 

[LordofLeechers]

So, the elves could have executed that psycho mass murderer, but instead they placed a partial seal on him and then sent him to terrorise the human countries. This begs the question if the human countries deserve that or if the elves are merely evil bastards. If the elves in the past were oppressed by humans, then it would make sense to do this as a payback. But if the elves are the original bullies, then the humans should gather a large army and go teach the elves a lesson.

If the humans aren't competent enough to handle a single elf who has had his powers sealed, that sounds like their problem. Honestly, if these are stereotypical elves, they likely have a code about killing other elves, so exile is the best way to handle someone like this. Not ideal, but who are we if we betray our codes?

That being said, it's not like the humans are innocent in this; the MC speculates that this elf is working for humans, and he is an adventurer, so he clearly doesn't go around massacring people all the time. Really, it seems to me that the humans are more than willing to use a psychopath like this to their own ends, so I wouldn't exactly fault the elves exclusively for this one.

 

[Kaarme]

If the humans aren't competent enough to handle a single elf who has had his powers sealed, that sounds like their problem.

Rarely have I seen a more irresponsible view of such a thing. So, instead of locking him away for life, Norway should have just shipped Breivik, in secrecy, to North or South America to get rid of him, instead of spending taxpayers' money to keep in a prison? I'm sure any American country could have handled Breivik. Or perhaps some terrorist organisation, criminal gang, or whatever could have even hired him to work as a killer.

The seal on this Jerkqu's powers also seems extremely flimsy. He could still control and summon a whole army of monsters.

Honestly, if these are stereotypical elves, they likely have a code about killing other elves, so exile is the best way to handle someone like this. Not ideal, but who are we if we betray our codes?

It's the elves' problem if they have such stiff laws. Surely they then have prisons to keep the dangerous inviduals locked away. Oh, right, they don't, they just kick out the murderers to be the human countries' problem.

That being said, it's not like the humans are innocent in this; the MC speculates that this elf is working for humans, and he is an adventurer, so he clearly doesn't go around massacring people all the time. Really, it seems to me that the humans are more than willing to use a psychopath like this to their own ends, so I wouldn't exactly fault the elves exclusively for this one.

He sounded exactly like a psycho who gets (sexual) gratification from killing people, so I'm 100% assured he precisely goes around doing it. That's why the elves exiled him, in the first place. Right now he also randomly killed soldiers on his side. Of course there are evil humans willing to use him. The elves did those humans a great service by sending a man of Jerkqu's skills to aid them. I'm sure the elves are also pleased when humans weaken themselves by killing each other. Two birds with a single stone for the elves.

 

[Aricitic]

@Kaarme and @LordofLeechers potentially what the elves were thinking was that by sealing his power they were crippling him enough to disable his ability to kill (potentially even harm) others. They may have done more to him physically that just wasn't mentioned, but considering it is a world of magic he may have had other, more physical, impediments healed.
Their thoughts process may have been that by removing his ability to harm (or what they perceived as thus) and releasing him into the wider world he would effectively be tortured by his own desire to murder but inability to do so. Effectively: "I want it so bad, I can see it, but I can't have it!" but clearly they underestimated him, he adjusted - or the seal was simply too weak in the first place - and continued doing what he wanted.
It's pure speculation, but I believe that would be a fitting punishment if executed correctly. Surround someone with their desire, but the absolute inability to enact their desire... sounds like an effective hell to me.
Again, purely speculation, more likely just the elves being irresponsible all around.

 

[LordofLeechers]

Rarely have I seen a more irresponsible view of such a thing.

It's not my personal view of the situation, it's just me trying to view things from the elves' point of view. I agree that the bastard should be strung up, but that's not the point of the discussion.

The seal on this Jerkqu's powers also seems extremely flimsy. He could still control and summon a whole army of monsters.

He is able to control and summon an army of monsters with the aid of a staff. A staff, mind you, that he most likely received from a human. Sure, maybe he stole it, or killed someone for it, but given the fact that he's working for humans, they most likely gave it to him to make him a more valuable asset. That being said, the last line implies that the sealing will be removed once his arms are gone, so, yeah, the elves could have done a much better job at crippling him.

It's the elves' problem if they have such stiff laws. Surely they then have prisons to keep the dangerous inviduals locked away. Oh, right, they don't, they just kick out the murderers to be the human countries' problem.

If the elves here are your typical long-lived, slow to reproduce sort, they most likely have very few criminals at all. If this is the case, this guy here might be the first real case of a monster coming from their society. A peaceful society has difficulty executing heinous criminals, even when it is clearly the best course of action. Keeping him locked up is definitely a good solution, but considering the long lives of elves (theoretically), that might not be feasible. Crippling him and exiling him to certain death is as good an option as any. That said, they missed the mark by making it so easy to get around the seals. I would guess that they did not expect the humans to so readily help a bloodthirsty murderer.

I'm sure the elves are also pleased when humans weaken themselves by killing each other. Two birds with a single stone for the elves.

You are inferring a lot about the elves here. You are giving them a Machiavellian view of the world, where they view humans as an opposing force that must be contested and controlled, whereas they could very easily just be isolationists who did not expect their actions to have a great impact. Not all societies act with malice, and this entire situation is most likely caused my misjudgment of character, on both the elves' and humans' part.

To be fair, I will freely admit that I am giving the elves a lot of credit here. In the end, we can't really make any judgement here because we know next to nothing about them. I don't know about you, but given the genre we're dealing with here, I do not expect a good deal of quality writing, nor do I expect a satisfying explanation of the elves' morality.

 

[LordofLeechers]

potentially what the elves were thinking was that by sealing his power they were crippling him enough to disable his ability to kill (potentially even harm) others. They may have done more to him physically that just wasn't mentioned, but considering it is a world of magic he may have had other, more physical, impediments healed.
Their thoughts process may have been that by removing his ability to harm (or what they perceived as thus) and releasing him into the wider world he would effectively be tortured by his own desire to murder but inability to do so. Effectively: "I want it so bad, I can see it, but I can't have it!" but clearly they underestimated him, he adjusted - or the seal was simply too weak in the first place - and continued doing what he wanted.

Yes, that's about where my thinking is, too. Exile has, historically, been viewed as one of the worst forms of punishment, especially since it almost guarantees a slow and painful death, completely cut off from everything and everyone you know. Of course, that matters little to psychopaths like this elf here, but the logic is sound.

 

[Pandman1234]

Oh god he just made a demon lord fuck

 

[Salfaro]

When I saw the bit about arms being sealed, I assumed this was gonna end with the MC giving him reliable info on how to break it in exchange for leaving them be (and it'd turn out his in-game personality was somehow mistaken). But uh, with him going crazy like that at the end there, nevermind, lmao.

 

[Kaarme]

You are inferring a lot about the elves here. You are giving them a Machiavellian view of the world, where they view humans as an opposing force that must be contested and controlled, whereas they could very easily just be isolationists who did not expect their actions to have a great impact. Not all societies act with malice, and this entire situation is most likely caused my misjudgment of character, on both the elves' and humans' part.

To be fair, I will freely admit that I am giving the elves a lot of credit here. In the end, we can't really make any judgement here because we know next to nothing about them. I don't know about you, but given the genre we're dealing with here, I do not expect a good deal of quality writing, nor do I expect a satisfying explanation of the elves' morality.

In my first comment, I merely gave them a 50-50 chance. If the humans have historically treated the elves poorly, I'd consider it okay for the elves to inconvenience the humans, collectively, since the humans would also have collectively offended the elves. However, the fact is that presently, without any new information, things do look worse for the elves, morally speaking, because they did set a mass murderer loose among the humans, yet we know absolutely nothing about what humans might have done against the elves in the past, if anything. It will take new information in the future chapter to acquit the elves.

If it was a criminal who escaped on his own from the elven domain, when things became too hot for him among the elves, to wreak havoc among the next best victims, humans, then the elven nation naturally would be innocent.

 

[LordofLeechers]

In my first comment, I merely gave them a 50-50 chance. If the humans have historically treated the elves poorly, I'd consider it okay for the elves to inconvenience the humans, collectively, since the humans would also have collectively offended the elves. However, the fact is that presently, without any new information, things do look worse for the elves, morally speaking, because they did set a mass murderer loose among the humans, yet we know absolutely nothing about what humans might have done against the elves in the past, if anything. It will take new information in the future chapter to acquit the elves.

If it was a criminal who escaped on his own from the elven domain, when things became too hot for him among the elves, to wreak havoc among the next best victims, humans, then the elven nation naturally would be innocent.

I get what you are saying. My main point of contention was that it read like you were attributing actual malice to the elves' actions here, when the most likely cause is that they are incompetent. Unfortunately, while it would be nice if this issue is addressed later, I would not be surprised if it is utterly forgotten, and the elves are not brought up again, aside from, say, a potential waifu in the future. Oh well, I had fun debating the topic with you.

 

[Dogwelder]

So, the elves could have executed that psycho mass murderer, but instead they placed a partial seal on him and then sent him to terrorise the human countries. This begs the question if the human countries deserve that or if the elves are merely evil bastards. If the elves in the past were oppressed by humans, then it would make sense to do this as a payback. But if the elves are the original bullies, then the humans should gather a large army and go teach the elves a lesson.

knife ears are just pussies

 

[USroflred]

The raw is at chapter 19, btw.

bruh

 

[Primo_Itoko]

The horse was undoubtedly the MVP of this chapter

 

[r33s3]

Thanks for tl

 

[MeePotato]

Fun fact. The author of this series is the same one as Maseki Gurume's and many of the cast in this story ressemble the ones in Maseki.

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wait, I haven't read that far in the WN of Maseki Gurume,

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but is his mother part of the harem too?

 

[Heavenstar]

wait, I haven't read that far in the WN of Maseki Gurume,

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but is his mother part of the harem too?

That's a bit complicated to answer but

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Depends on what you consider "Canon". The Light Novel basically ends at a certain point of the story and a new Volume hasn't been released in 3 years(Likely because Mastermind was surprisingly a hit. It's one of the most rated isekai in Kakuyomu). If you are only counting the Light Novel(which the manga is based out of) then No since the story ends with Ain officially proposing to Claune.

If you are counting the Web Novel then Yes. He has sex with Claune, His dryad Mom and Chris who is technically his great grandaughter. Also currently in the Web Novel, Claune is already pregnant with his child.

 

[Heavenstar]

The horse was undoubtedly the MVP of this chapter

That's no ordinary horse btw. It's a mixed breed with some unamed monster which is why it's capable of all those extraordinary feats.

 

[Fari]

AN EVEN HIGHER PLEASURE THAN INTERTWINING BODIES WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX

What about the same sex

Yuri>Murder