Moto Ansatsusha, Tensei Shite Kizoku no Reijou ni Narimashita - Ch. 26 - A Choice for the Weak

[Nolonar]

I’m saying that saying «Abusing him is a great way to die when he becomes king» is a short-sighted thing to say, because why would they worry about that?

How is it short-sighted? If they fail to succeed the current king, then their target moves from the crown prince to the new king. That's obviously not going to happen if the new king has them killed in retaliation for all the abuse. Thinking about what comes after the coronation is literally the opposite of short-sighted.

If they succeed, which they obviously plan to, there’s nothing to fear.

That's a big if. It depends entirely on the current king not intervening. While he might not take action against his own son, the concubine and bastard children are another matter entirely.

The only time you'd openly move against the crown prince is when the benefits outweigh the risks. So far I'm still waiting to see what those supposed benefits may be. "Why should I worry about failure" is not a benefit, it's recklessness.

If they fail, then they have worse things to be worried about.

What could possibly be worse than the newly crowned king locking you up for all those years of abuse? And wouldn't staying on his good side be the most effective protection against whatever that is?

Besides, how often do you see villains who aren’t the main characters be cautious and smart about things? It was almost a given that they’d be dumb as bricks the moment they showed up.

Yes, and "Treading upon the legal heir to the kingdom is a great way to end up tortured to death the moment he takes the throne." That line you disagreed with pretty much exemplifies how stupid they are. The fact that "they're trying to usurp the throne" does not make them any less stupid for employing a strategy that is incredibly risky, offers no clear benefits, and greatly limits their future options in case of failure.

 

[Weenaru]

How is it short-sighted? If they fail to succeed the current king, then their target moves from the crown prince to the new king. That's obviously not going to happen if the new king has them killed in retaliation for all the abuse. Thinking about what comes after the coronation is literally the opposite of short-sighted.

Did you also miss that they're trying to usurp him and take the throne for themselves? Who cares about the punishment for the abuse when they have a punishment for usurping the throne waiting if they fail? That's like focusing on someone shoplifting when they're a mass murderer. That's the entire point I'm trying to make here. Focusing on only the thing you see happen right in front of you instead of the whole picture is what's short-sighted, and criticizing the twins for the abuse as if the punishment for that is the only thing they have to worry about and forgetting about the coup is exactly that.

That's a big if.

Uh... No it's not. Their entire entourage treats him like shit. That couldn't have happened unless their faction had overwhelming power over his. This story setting is a typical "MC has to come in and intervene, otherwise the prince will lose everything".

What could possibly be worse than the newly crowned king locking you up for all those years of abuse?

Like I've been trying to say, being punished for trying to kill him and taking the throne is much worse than being punished for bullying him.

That line you disagreed with pretty much exemplifies how stupid they are. The fact that "they're trying to usurp the throne" does not make them any less stupid for employing a strategy that is incredibly risky, offers no clear benefits, and greatly limits their future options in case of failure.

I'm not disagreeing with it. I'm saying "No shit, Sherlock" and "Is that really the thing they should be most worried about?" to it.

 

[Nolonar]

Did you also miss that they're trying to usurp him and take the throne for themselves? Who cares about the punishment for the abuse when they have a punishment for usurping the throne waiting if they fail?

Did you miss that they've already failed to usurp him multiple times? They're not going to face punishment unless there's evidence linking them to the attempt. They seem to be pretty good at leaving no evidence behind. Sadly, the crown prince doesn't need any evidence to have them hanged for the years of abuse once he becomes king.

That's like focusing on someone shoplifting when they're a mass murderer.

No, it's like planning an assassination and then risking your entire plan falling apart because the shopkeeper's finally bought a shotgun to shoot you with. If at least the thing you were trying to steal was going to help with the assassination...

I'm still waiting for you to explain how the abuse is going to help them usurp the throne.

That's the entire point I'm trying to make here. Focusing on only the thing you see happen right in front of you instead of the whole picture is what's short-sighted,

The irony here is that you're only focussing on the next assassination attempt you see happen right in front of you (which they likely won't get punished for either) instead of the whole picture where they can just keep trying even after Shagard is king.

and criticizing the twins for the abuse as if the punishment for that is the only thing they have to worry about and forgetting about the coup is exactly that.

After multiple failed attempts and no punishment, what else would they have to worry about?

Uh... No it's not. Their entire entourage treats him like shit.

That's irrelevant. The king made Shagard his successor in favor of his own son. Unless Shagard dies (literally or politically), he'll be king.

That couldn't have happened unless their faction had overwhelming power over his.

And yet they all arrived safely, including Shagard. Clearly, their faction isn't overwhelmingly powerful enough that they can afford to assassinate the crown prince even when surrounded with enemies and no other witnesses around. Remember that "aside from Shagard, no one is recognized as royalty." Their support isn't as good as you think it is.

This story setting is a typical "MC has to come in and intervene, otherwise the prince will lose everything".

Which is completely irrelevant to the concubine and her twins being stupid enough to arm a time bomb that didn't need arming.

Like I've been trying to say, being punished for trying to kill him and taking the throne is much worse than being punished for bullying him.

I mean, you're not wrong. It's just that they're clearly very good at avoiding punishment for trying to kill him. So between "no punishment" and "punishment for years of abuse", I'd say it's pretty clear which one's worse.

I'm not disagreeing with it. I'm saying "No shit, Sherlock" and "Is that really the thing they should be most worried about?" to it.

Yes, it really is the thing they should be most worried about, considering all the assassination attempts they haven't been punished for.

 

[Grikath]

Gods no...... The author is going for the Redemption Arc...

 

[Wolvenworks]

time to load the shotgun with malicious intent?

 

[DigitalCielo]

Talk no jutsu ! In just a few sentences, years of depressed thoughts disappeared like that !

Well he's just been wallowing in his depressed thoughts. I don't think there a way out of your own mind if you don't actively look for a way out.

 

[ArcLife]

Looks like his balls finally dropped

 

[titundo]

Did you miss that they've already failed to usurp him multiple times? They're not going to face punishment unless there's evidence linking them to the attempt. They seem to be pretty good at leaving no evidence behind. Sadly, the crown prince doesn't need any evidence to have them hanged for the years of abuse once he becomes king.


No, it's like planning an assassination and then risking your entire plan falling apart because the shopkeeper's finally bought a shotgun to shoot you with. If at least the thing you were trying to steal was going to help with the assassination...

I'm still waiting for you to explain how the abuse is going to help them usurp the throne.


The irony here is that you're only focussing on the next assassination attempt you see happen right in front of you (which they likely won't get punished for either) instead of the whole picture where they can just keep trying even after Shagard is king.


After multiple failed attempts and no punishment, what else would they have to worry about?


That's irrelevant. The king made Shagard his successor in favor of his own son. Unless Shagard dies (literally or politically), he'll be king.


And yet they all arrived safely, including Shagard. Clearly, their faction isn't overwhelmingly powerful enough that they can afford to assassinate the crown prince even when surrounded with enemies and no other witnesses around. Remember that "aside from Shagard, no one is recognized as royalty." Their support isn't as good as you think it is.


Which is completely irrelevant to the concubine and her twins being stupid enough to arm a time bomb that didn't need arming.


I mean, you're not wrong. It's just that they're clearly very good at avoiding punishment for trying to kill him. So between "no punishment" and "punishment for years of abuse", I'd say it's pretty clear which one's worse.


Yes, it really is the thing they should be most worried about, considering all the assassination attempts they haven't been punished for.

Yeah, if anything, I feel their plan is heavily dependent on the crown prince not becoming king, and more importantly, there not being retaliation. Realistically, even if the king is somehow not aware of the abuse - unlikely considering he's the heir - the duke, the crown prince's maternal grandfather, would be invested in ensuring that his future political trump card would be safe and, more importantly, secure in his inheritance. There would be many people around the crown prince keeping an eye on him, and whatever happens to him would be known very quickly. If the crown prince, the duke, the king, or any of their followers ever react to whatever the twins or their mother did, they could very easily find themselves politically displaced or even dead.