Mousou Telepathy - Vol. 7 Ch. 618 - Same Old
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To be fair to Toda, she walked him right into that line of thought.
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She should have known that type of mental answer.
Hilarious.
Hilarious.
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Yeah, the visuals come from Aya, but when the text, which comes from Toda, is that specific, we can hardly blame the pervertedness on her. (Though at other times we certainly can.)
I mean, when he says "nothing" or "cat ears" or "a swimsuit" on his mind, what else can she think?
And not willing to rekindle the old discussion, the way I see it is that Nakano only fills in the gaps when the other person isn't picturing things on their mind (like Mana's bra experiment, which was verbal only). When they do provide the picture, then I suppose Nakano picks it up just as the verbal thoughts. The fun part of this manga is that the author deliberately doesn't make clear who is providing the pictures. (Though in my mind, the whole beach holidays episode was Toda's delusion, not Nakano's.)
I mean, when he says "nothing" or "cat ears" or "a swimsuit" on his mind, what else can she think?
And not willing to rekindle the old discussion, the way I see it is that Nakano only fills in the gaps when the other person isn't picturing things on their mind (like Mana's bra experiment, which was verbal only). When they do provide the picture, then I suppose Nakano picks it up just as the verbal thoughts. The fun part of this manga is that the author deliberately doesn't make clear who is providing the pictures. (Though in my mind, the whole beach holidays episode was Toda's delusion, not Nakano's.)
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Well, what did you expect when you asked him something like that, Nanako?
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Hah, "normal" he says. What does that say about the stuff she wears?
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Okay, so for people who kinda forgot or still don't get it, Nakano mind reads purely in words, she get's no type of images from others except what she can interpret from the words she hears.
Example - If Toda thinks 'Cat' and Nakano imagines a 'Tabi Cat' imagery, the 'Tabi' part is all on her own view of what she thinks of the word 'Cat' but Toda could be thinking of a different type of cat when he thinks 'Cat'.
So again, Nakano only hears others word with no images but she can get ideas for images from her own interpretation of the words.
Although it could be said that emotion could have an impact on the flavour of the words, so that's probably another way she could get ideas for the images she imagines.
So in other words, it's both their fault for being horny teenagers.
Although, in this chapter, it's all 90% Toda's fault. 10% Nakano's for the details of the images.
Example - If Toda thinks 'Cat' and Nakano imagines a 'Tabi Cat' imagery, the 'Tabi' part is all on her own view of what she thinks of the word 'Cat' but Toda could be thinking of a different type of cat when he thinks 'Cat'.
So again, Nakano only hears others word with no images but she can get ideas for images from her own interpretation of the words.
Although it could be said that emotion could have an impact on the flavour of the words, so that's probably another way she could get ideas for the images she imagines.
So in other words, it's both their fault for being horny teenagers.
Although, in this chapter, it's all 90% Toda's fault. 10% Nakano's for the details of the images.
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I don't think you can go so far.
There are three types of situations:
i. The person thinks only in words.
ii. The person thinks only in pictures.
iii. The person thinks in words and pictures.
Number i is clear: it's where Nakano's mind provides all the visuals and where Nakano makes mistakes.
But ii and iii haven't been perfectly fleshed out. There wasn't a systematic exploration of possibilities by the author or the characters. All of the situations in which we later found out Nakano was wrong, there were factors she couldn't have known, like Yashima's part-time job.
But what can we say of situations for which we never found a mistake, either because the author didn't provide one, or because the idea of "mistake" didn't apply because the images were purely imaginary and not based on fact?
Was the beach holiday delusion totally pictured by Toda, totally pictured by Nakano, or a mixture of both?
The uni student delusion, when re-examined by Nakano afterwards, leads her to the conclusion that "a big part" of what she saw were her own delusions, with Sano's appearance - Toda not knowing he was dating Mana at the time - being proof. But even she didn't say all of it was.
My point is that the author left this ambiguity on purpose. You don't have to do any mental gymnastics to acknowledge that both of them are perverts. It doesn't have to be "only words" or "only pictures". We haven't had a single example of a character thinking something purely with pictures, though I'd venture that chapter 2, in which Toda only moans in his mind, comes close. But even so, we've never had a situation in which there were picture with no words and later Nakano was proven wrong.
I don't have proof that Nakano can see pictures when the other characters are picturing things on their mind. But it's possible in that nothing in the story has contradicted that notion. The fact that she sees images when they aren't and these are sometimes wrong doesn't prove she doesn't when they are.
The one that comes closest to proof, though it isn't, is when Shimizu hugged her. Nakano saw Toda's jungle warrior astral project before she heard his thoughts. Granted, the image could be a projection by Nakano's mind of her own fear of Toda's reaction on seeing that scene, but she didn't know that he was looking on. So it would have to be a subconscious projection of her fear of his jealousy, which sounds a bit of a stretch. Then again, it's a bit of a stretch that Toda would be picturing himself as a jungle warrior because of his jealousy. So we're left without a solution.
And everyone is free to believe what they want. Which is probably what the author was aiming for.
(Come to think of it, the purple smoke of hatred coming from Toda when Nakano couldn't even see his facial expression or know he was back in the room, might count as an example of mental images without words, which would vindicate my point. But people might argue that one doesn't count for some reason. The name of the chapter is "Consuming grudge".)
I don't think you can go so far.
There are three types of situations:
i. The person thinks only in words.
ii. The person thinks only in pictures.
iii. The person thinks in words and pictures.
Number i is clear: it's where Nakano's mind provides all the visuals and where Nakano makes mistakes.
But ii and iii haven't been perfectly fleshed out. There wasn't a systematic exploration of possibilities by the author or the characters. All of the situations in which we later found out Nakano was wrong, there were factors she couldn't have known, like Yashima's part-time job.
But what can we say of situations for which we never found a mistake, either because the author didn't provide one, or because the idea of "mistake" didn't apply because the images were purely imaginary and not based on fact?
Was the beach holiday delusion totally pictured by Toda, totally pictured by Nakano, or a mixture of both?
The uni student delusion, when re-examined by Nakano afterwards, leads her to the conclusion that "a big part" of what she saw were her own delusions, with Sano's appearance - Toda not knowing he was dating Mana at the time - being proof. But even she didn't say all of it was.
My point is that the author left this ambiguity on purpose. You don't have to do any mental gymnastics to acknowledge that both of them are perverts. It doesn't have to be "only words" or "only pictures". We haven't had a single example of a character thinking something purely with pictures, though I'd venture that chapter 2, in which Toda only moans in his mind, comes close. But even so, we've never had a situation in which there were picture with no words and later Nakano was proven wrong.
I don't have proof that Nakano can see pictures when the other characters are picturing things on their mind. But it's possible in that nothing in the story has contradicted that notion. The fact that she sees images when they aren't and these are sometimes wrong doesn't prove she doesn't when they are.
The one that comes closest to proof, though it isn't, is when Shimizu hugged her. Nakano saw Toda's jungle warrior astral project before she heard his thoughts. Granted, the image could be a projection by Nakano's mind of her own fear of Toda's reaction on seeing that scene, but she didn't know that he was looking on. So it would have to be a subconscious projection of her fear of his jealousy, which sounds a bit of a stretch. Then again, it's a bit of a stretch that Toda would be picturing himself as a jungle warrior because of his jealousy. So we're left without a solution.
And everyone is free to believe what they want. Which is probably what the author was aiming for.
(Come to think of it, the purple smoke of hatred coming from Toda when Nakano couldn't even see his facial expression or know he was back in the room, might count as an example of mental images without words, which would vindicate my point. But people might argue that one doesn't count for some reason. The name of the chapter is "Consuming grudge".)
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I like the last panel because from Toda's perspective she's pissed off that he basically implied she's weird
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