Munou wa Fuyou to Iware "Tokei Tsukai" no Boku wa Shokunin Guild kara Oidasareru mo, Dungeon no Shinbu de Shin mo Chikara ni Kakusei suru - Vol. 2 Ch…

[Jferrer0]

While that lady does deserve to get punished for her betrayal, I do actually feel a bit bad for her.

I don't think she deserves that, ultimately it was people in positions of authority framing him.

Using their position and credibility to paint him as a criminal, she likely was super confused, like "Oh god, did he actually do that?"

A part of her was likely scared that it would actually be true, specially if both a police officer and the saintess testified against him.

The only people that deserve punishment are those that abuse power and authority for nefarious goals like those two cunts did against the MC.

The other people in his life from his ex-fiance, sister and the other lady, are victims of those who abused the trust placed on the office of a police officer and the hero.

The hero knows about the embezzlement and corruption within the church but chooses to do nothing as it would play in his favour, the saintess is unlikely to know as she is someone more naïve and actually doing positive work not knowing the rot within the organisation.

His sister likely thinks he is hopeless more so in an affectionate way, in part looking down at him because she has gotten powerful but overall still caring about her brother.

All are victims of a system that allowed what I would call predatory individuals to have power over others.

 

[ARealCoolGuy]

I'm on the 'The lady didn't really do anything wrong' side. Sure, she could have believed the MC didn't do anything wrong in the face of the trial and guilty verdict and the saintess condemning him as well, but that's like saying you should believe your friends and family have done nothing wrong no matter the evidence.

She seemed upset that MC had done wrong, rather than throwing him away, she was mislead.
It's a shame, based on what others are saying, that she's the only one to really suffer the consequences of her actions, while the other harsher ladies/sister seem to suffer little consequence, when their actions are thoroughly more neglectful and damaging to MC.

This seems to be an odd trend (in these kinds of comics) where the main perpetrators suffer little come uppance, and others who are less at fault suffer the full brunt.

 

[MrTurtleMan]

Why did he even bother with the thugs when she willingly got in his carriage? Just seems like a waste of money to me

 

[Nekotofu]

This one is so edgy, it may cut your finger....
I'll see where this thing going, at least till he met his little sister.

 

[MrTurtleMan]

So yeah, he has a lot of people to seek revenge against (that guildmaster being one of them, no matter how much he is backpedaling now that mc has power). But not that lady.

I agree he doesn't need revenge against her but he doesn't need to forgive her either, when someone that close to you believes the worst in you because someone else made accusations then they've shown how shallow their relationships are. There was no evidence in the trial except for hearsay, there is plenty of leeway to give him the benefit of the doubt despite the verdict.

Not to shoot your write up down as it's pretty spot on but she did betray him. She was the only one there who knew him and his character best. The fact that she didn't testify in favor of him was her betrayal. Would his sentence have played out any different? Probably not but there would have been at least one person who believed in him and could have potentially helped him get out of his sentence after the fact.

It would also help him psychologically

but I do know of the hive mind mentality some societies hold.

Japan is a eusocial society was not something I was expecting to see today

Don't worry, it's a Japanese MC in a revenge story...he will not only forgive everyone, he'll probably apologize to them after he saves everyone and the world from some unspeakable evil.

Real, you need to go to Korea if you want a proper revenge story

I'm on the 'The lady didn't really do anything wrong' side. Sure, she could have believed the MC didn't do anything wrong in the face of the trial and guilty verdict and the saintess condemning him as well, but that's like saying you should believe your friends and family have done nothing wrong no matter the evidence.

"No matter the evidence" the only real evidence was hearsay though, if I was framed for murder and they had a knife in my car with the victims blood and my fingerprints on it I would understand my family and friends believing it but if it was just 2 guys saying they saw me entering the house I would expect the people I know to give me the benefit of the doubt.

 

[feha]

I agree he doesn't need revenge against her but he doesn't need to forgive her either, when someone that close to you believes the worst in you because someone else made accusations then they've shown how shallow their relationships are. There was no evidence in the trial except for hearsay, there is plenty of leeway to give him the benefit of the doubt despite the verdict.

Yeah, I completely agree about that. "Not forgiving someone for not having your back", is vastly different from "punishing (revenge) someone for not having your back", and there is absolutely no requirement that you forgive someone just because you didn't decide to seek revenge. And like you said, she showed that she clearly didn't consider herself to know him well enough to assert his innocence in the face of authority claiming he did something bad and is a bad person (without evidence). That their relationship was "shallow" and not as solid as he thought it was. (though tbf, as far as I can tell most ppl would not assume a trial and jury is incorrect, even when it is about someone they considered a friend. Like, even the saintess came up to give a character witness to him being a bad person (somehow? Unsure how "I were sending him money" makes him a bad person, but apparently it did? because he didn't plead guilty and instead said he had never received any money?)!)

"No matter the evidence" the only real evidence was hearsay though, if I was framed for murder and they had a knife in my car with the victims blood and my fingerprints on it I would understand my family and friends believing it but if it was just 2 guys saying they saw me entering the house I would expect the people I know to give me the benefit of the doubt.

Worse. It was them saying they saw you entering the house of your close friend you frequently visited, and that you must have tried doing so with the intention of making them the next victim!

 

[Wolvenworks]

So it’s Shikuro, not Cyclo? Pls fix the TL in older chs if that’s the case.

 

[Faint15]

I don't think she deserves that, ultimately it was people in positions of authority framing him.

Using their position and credibility to paint him as a criminal, she likely was super confused, like "Oh god, did he actually do that?"

A part of her was likely scared that it would actually be true, specially if both a police officer and the saintess testified against him.

The only people that deserve punishment are those that abuse power and authority for nefarious goals like those two cunts did against the MC.

The other people in his life from his ex-fiance, sister and the other lady, are victims of those who abused the trust placed on the office of a police officer and the hero.

The hero knows about the embezzlement and corruption within the church but chooses to do nothing as it would play in his favour, the saintess is unlikely to know as she is someone more naïve and actually doing positive work not knowing the rot within the organisation.

His sister likely thinks he is hopeless more so in an affectionate way, in part looking down at him because she has gotten powerful but overall still caring about her brother.

All are victims of a system that allowed what I would call predatory individuals to have power over others.

She definitely doesn't deserve the fate that she is going to receive.

I'm not entirely sure what the fate of the saintess/fiancee is but she is the one I essentially don't feel bad for. The sister is essentially how you explained it. She didn't really mean anything by it but people took it too literally as truth.

 

[wugglesx]

thanks for picking this up!

 

[LogLauncher]

Thanks for the chapter!!

 

[Sam_Lingdis]

While that lady does deserve to get punished for her betrayal, I do actually feel a bit bad for her.

It's not even her fault to begin with

 

[OSAITUS]

Sure... i don´t feel like "yeah, take that you woman!"... but at the same time, even his boss knew that the guy didn´t do it... the guy that had 0 appreciation for the MC knew in less than a second that the guy was innocent, but this girl... the one that was spoused to live and have some sort of friendly relation with him didn´t even thought for a moment in the possibility of foul play (same goes for the saintess, may say more about the author than the characters but who am i to say that)...

I may not be happy with her fate, but she really did everything to get it

 

[Zumina]

So it’s Shikuro, not Cyclo? Pls fix the TL in older chs if that’s the case.

Regarding about that were sorry but we will continue using Cyclo instead because it's been like that since the first chapter, we will fix it tomorrow and by the way no update today so as token of apologies we will release 2 or 3 chapters tomorrow

 

[Boyism]

Problem with the saint is that she blindly trusted the hero without doing any proper evidence

 

[Wolvenworks]

Regarding about that were sorry but we will continue using Cyclo instead because it's been like that since the first chapter, we will fix it tomorrow and by the way no update today so as token of apologies we will release 2 or 3 chapters tomorrow

ok that’s fair. Don’t forget to fix the “hoshikuro” (instead of cyclo) big typo on ch6 as well. That defo was missed by whoever proofread it.

 

[Boyism]

Problem with the saint is that she blindly trusted the hero without doing any proper evidence

Spoiler

and after She found out she just gave into despair once she realized she slept with him she just breaks down and lets the hero do whatever to her instead of like idk trying to fix the situation so really she is worst outta the 3 for me

 

[FlaminSarge]

"Shikuro" is how "Cyclo" is pronounced in Japanese, isn't it? Any reason to edit the spelling and even update the description when the original was technically correct?

 

[master-34]

So where is the light novel version and are their any differences between the light novel and web novel and are their going to be changes in the Manga version

 

[ARealCoolGuy]

"No matter the evidence" the only real evidence was hearsay though

Hearsay from the saintess and hero of the country, which (for a likely religious person) would be very compelling regardless of the lack of real evidence. If the pope says something, believers will believe.

 

[MrTurtleMan]

Hearsay from the saintess and hero of the country, which (for a likely religious person) would be very compelling regardless of the lack of real evidence. If the pope says something, believers will believe.

Google, what is a schism?