Mushoku Tensei ~Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu~ - Vol. 10 Ch. 49 - Journey's End

[Nolonar]

@Yautja
I would love to play that game again, where I'd point out your logical fallacy for you, but someone who answers with:

While this has been fun, you saying "This is a dog" while pointing at a cat and me saying "No, it's a cat", I think it's fundamentally impossible to reason with the unreasonable.

... right after I provided a dictionary link supporting my use of a given expression, is not someone who can be reasoned with.
Like you said, and I agree: "it's fundamentally impossible to reason with the unreasonable", so I won't try this time.

Instead, let me remind you of the site rules, specifically:

5 Comments and Forums
5.1 Be Civil
5.1.1 Disagreeing with an opinion is totally fine. All we ask is that you keep to the topic at hand and refrain from resorting to personal attacks on other involved parties. To that end, please avoid racist, sexist, and religious discrimination or other terminology where the intended outcome is to be offensive.

Emphasis mine.

While your opinion on the matter of reuploads is appreciated, accusing the scanlator (or uploader) of vanity, arrogance, or attention seeking is clearly intended to be offensive, and as such is discouraged.


I admit I broke that rule when I called out to kronix, and him being a troll is not a reason for me to break the rule.
But I also admit I'm surprised to see you break that very same rule that made you so mad back then. And then (reminder: this is not "separate from") you're attacking a contributing member of this community, who isn't even trolling in the first place.

Is it wrong? I'll let others be the judge of that.
All I said was: "It's kinda funny", which - in my opinion - it really is.

 

[Amplify]

@Yautja
tl;dr

 

[Yautja]

@Nolonar
Oh look, another non-sequitur comment which in entirely irrelevant to anything said on this comment page. Clearly I hurt your feelings before; you'll have to remind me because I don't remember you.

And maybe it would be a personal attack if LIG hadn't admitted to those being the motivators on a previous chapter or if they weren't entirely obvious and reasonable claims. Ahh yes, PC culture is bleeding into MD again. Anything can be relegated to a "personal attack" or "intended to be offensive" if you're insecure enough or have that great a desire to control other people's language; but nothing I said could be called racist, sexist, or religious discrimination. And you clearly don't know my intent, because it sure ain't to "be offensive", and you cannot say that it was a personal attack as LIG has already made it clear those are the motivators and those motivators certainly seem reasonable / could be inferred from their actions, as evident by all the comments on every re-upload they post.

A personal attack has become a scapegoat to avoid criticism by saying "my feelings were hurt". A real personal attack doesn't have evidence. Saying something that sounds mean but is true or seems to be true isn't a personal attack. Calling a rapist a rapist isn't an attack. Calling a narcissist a narcissist isn't an attack. Calling someone vain who's vain isn't an attack. Come on, try and make the case for my intent; please tell me how that I, and that everyone complaining about LIG's reuploads, are attacking them. How thin-skinned you must be to believe that.

Calling LIG vain, arrogant or delusional is far from an attack or unreasonable, especially given their comments and actions. Ya know, the shit where GhodricKharg the man child tells the readers to go harass other scanlation groups that uploaded before him and after he dropped a series for 2-3 months +, the guy that says that he's translating a series because 'it's his turf' or that other groups didn't ask his permission and make scans that are actually an "acceptable quality" because the filth other translators upload are so far beneath his group's quality. How about you actually go read the comments this guy fucking makes? Because clearly you don't have a clue about who you're defending, because Arrogant, Delusional and Vain are the kindest words I could use to describe him.

So instead of taking a page out of the book of LIG's resident white knight, how about you actually answer my comment;

And those two things are related how? Seems like a non-sequitur to me.
And 'defending a troll' from someone who advocates legitimate harassment or calling out hypocrisy is wrong why?

I don't expect an actual answer or response, due to not only that little quote you've already posted but how entirely irrelevant that comment as a whole is. Clearly you've been stewing in this for awhile and if that's the best you got, you didn't make much of it.

@Amplify
Thanks for proving my point, pumpkin. Ch.44 all over again. Run along now.

 

[Amplify]

@Yautja
>Long autistic rambling walls of text that nobody gives a shit about but you
Thanks for proving my point, pumpkin. Ch.44 all over again. Run along now.

The day I came into your life was the most important of your entire existence, but for me it was Tuesday.

 

[Nolonar]

@Amplify
Well, technically, that "long autistic rambling wall of text nobody gives a shit about but him" was aimed at me.
I don't even know why he took the trouble of writing it, when I just told him I won't play with him anymore, and that he's breaking the site rules.

And I also didn't read it, because I also don't care about his rambling, or how he tries to justify himself.


That said, the rules also mention we should stay on topic. If Yautja wants a mod to ban him, let the mod ban him. We don't have to go down with him.

 

[donutholer]

can we stop having re uploads. really annoying

 

[Wolvenworks]

@GodricKharg lol dunno why you tagged me on this but after looking, maybe i'll block this tryhard too. i'm also not interested in reading another essay lol

 

[CoolOtamegane]

Why must hate speech. I enjoy both of them
- Robo Scans : I Read them Online
- Let it Go : I Downloaded and Archived the chapter in My PC's Drive.

 

[hijklol100]

@Yautja Can you honestly fuck off you literal joke. You comment on every single god damn chapter uploaded. LetItGo's acronym is LIG, and you have Ligma.

 

[Yautja]

@hijklol100
Nah, I'm good. LIG (the acronym I've been using which you seem to agree with) constantly reuploads the same chapters several weeks to several months behind with often no noticeable difference in quality. You being annoyed at my comments is how a lot of people feel about seeing this reupload pop up in their follows time and time again only to be disappointed with a pointless upload that's done out of vanity or attention seeking. Big difference here is you can block me and don't otherwise get notified by my comments. Until MD or someone else offers some kind of reupload filter or people stop reuploading chapters without a significant difference, as you'll notice a lot less complaints when translators note that a page was missing or they've redone poorly done redrawing on a series, this is going to continue from all kinds of people. I find it kinda funny that the whole reason I originally gave LIG shit is for telling people harass you and other groups. Oh well. This is also what the comment section is for; expressing how people feel about the series. Finally, as far as I can tell, I haven't broken any rules, certainly not as explicitly as you just have, and a lot of people are also irritated by these reuploads, so triply no.

Can you honestly fuck off you literal joke. You comment on every single god damn chapter uploaded. LetItGo's acronym is LIG, and you have Ligma.

@Nolonar
See, that's a personal attack or an insult intended to offend. I think you're smart enough to see the difference between what I've said to LIG and what he's said to me. Fits what I said quite perfectly, imo.

 

[Amplify]

“Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.”
― Plato

@hijklol100
I love how despite being a huge joke, the only person who hasn't figured it out yet is the man himself.

 

[hijklol100]

@Yautja
"Intent to offend" is in reference to bigotry. You're goddamn right, however, in that that was a personal attack on you, something I'm perfectly fine with owning.

 

[Nolonar]

@Yautja

See, that's a personal attack or an insult intended to offend. I think you're smart enough to see the difference between what I've said to LIG and what he's said to me. Fits what I said quite perfectly, imo.

Non sequitur.

Since you appear to be unable to read between the lines, let me tell you straight: I. DON'T. CARE.
Stop trying to rope me into those arguments of yours, because I literally don't give a shit about your attempt to wriggle yourself out of the mess you've dug yourself into.

You're playing that "logical fallacy" game to make others see how you're right and everybody else is wrong, but you've lost the game ages ago. The result: everybody else is now bashing you. I see no reason to further prove that you're an idiot, because that's literally what everybody already thinks you are.

Your clumsy attempts at distraction, cherry picking, and distortion do you no favor either.
I mean: "Calling a rapist a rapist isn't an attack." It is, actually. And if you've no proof that the "rapist" is in fact a rapist, then it's "slander" too, which is illegal in many parts of the world.

Perhaps if you weren't too busy throwing "non sequitur" around like they're your business card, you might be able to realize just how foolish you're making yourself look, among others by responding to someone who basically told you they don't care.


I recommend you take @Amplify's Plato quote to heart, because it really fits the situation perfectly.


And just in case it wasn't clear enough: Yautja, I don't care about your justifications. By replying to me again (in this comment section, at least), you're only providing further proof that you're an idiot. Not that we'd need any more proof.

PS: To put it in your own words: "Calling an idiot an idiot isn't an attack."

 

[Yautja]

@hijklol100
Thanks for ignoring everything else, that ya know, provides reasoning to my point; the point which addressed your anger and basis for it.

@Nolonar
It is sequitur since you tried to claim I broke the X rule when I didn't; me responding and showing someone else actually breaking the the rule you claimed I broke does logically follow. If you're calling it a non-sequitur in regards to the original argument, me defending trolls and what not, that's on you, as you're the one who originally brought all this shit up and ignored my first response with your genuinely non-sequitur response. And since you originally brought this shit up and continue to respond, I assume you do care; you sure act as if you do. You're the one who roped me into this and brought all this up.

As for logical fallacies; you can continue to go "no u" all you want, but it doesn't change anything, you can say all you want about distractions, cherry picking and so on, but I'm using the words as per the definitions and addressing the things you brought up. Examples as to why your claims are false aren't distractions. Calling someone who has raped another person a rapist isn't slander. Calling someone who behaves as a narcissist a narcissist isn't a personal attack. You claiming that me calling LIG vain or arrogant is a personal attack is incorrect. As per the definition of the term and as illustrated by the examples. As for Amplify, every comment he has made in defense of LIG or in general when he disagrees with another person provides a shining irony as to how he is the last person who should be using that quote. It also applies to you just as much if not more than myself.

You say you don't care, but your actions and words say otherwise. As far as I can tell, you just wanna feel like you won something by getting me to stop responding.

Ditto, buddy.

 

[hijklol100]

@Yautja

>This is also what the comment section is for; expressing how people feel about the series

Semicolon should be a colon.

>As for logical fallacies; you can continue to go "no u" all you want

Semicolon should be a comma.

>but it doesn't change anything, you can say all you want about distractions

That's where a semicolon should fit.

>how about you actually answer my comment;

Do you just use semicolons and colons interchangeably?

>provides reasoning to my point; the point which addressed your anger

Apparently, you do. It's amusing how you try and use punctuation you learned a week ago. Now, let's see if you go "lmao u have to adress my grammer bcuz u can't argue kid!!", but coherent English is the first step to a coherent argument.

In regards to your point, however:

If you could go so far as to enlighten me in how that the first image is superior to the second image, or at least equal to it, I believe you might have a valid argument. Also, if you could tell me about how Godric in any meaningful way mobilized fans to "harass other scanlation groups" that uploaded before him? I certainly didn't receive any hateful message; in fact, it totaled to a nice, round, zero (hey look, a proper semicolon!). I've followed these threads with interest (as well as increasing disgust as you became a recurring appearance), and any mention Godric has made in regards to these "other scanlation groups" has been at the behest of others to provide requested contextual information, not to actively demonize them. Oh, and that reminds me, as he has stated multiple times he is doing this to continue what CAT scans were doing, who had themselves received permission and were continuing it from the previous scanlator, which you somehow misconstrue as him doing it "out of vanity" or as an attention seeker. His comments do contain a slight amount of bitterness, but considering all the other factors of this situation, that's fully justifiable. Do I regret what I did? No, I fully stand by it, but that's not something I'll rant on about.

Lastly, as an aside, it's great how you contradict yourself within a 3-day span. According to your original response to me, you're a pursuer of justice, a man of the people, bringing this issue up over and over again on the later chapters released until LetItGo "lets it go." But for some reason, your most recent response goes against that. How can the former be your stance if you say that your goal is to "feel like you won something by getting [@Nolonar] to stop responding"? According to the Mangadex rulebook you seem to intent on adhering (presumably in a petulant manner after Nolonar has assumedly brought them up previously), "it is preferred that you take any (extended) disagreements into a private conversation." Should you not be following your gospel then?

 

[Yautja]

@hijklol100
Pretty much. It's a bad habit that I rarely notice and don't bother trying to fix. I don't generally bash or mention people's (commenters) grammar unless they're bashing other people for it or I don't understand what they're trying to say. Otherwise I do agree it's generally irrelevant, at least for an argument between me and you. If it was the grammar of translations it'd be more relevant. I do know the general rules of semi colon, colon and comma but I rarely pay enough attention, to those three things in particular, to use them correctly. I should, but I don't.

As for the difference in quality, not in regards to these pictures, but the translations of RS vs LIG in general, the lack of noticeable difference is my whole point. The translations have minimal difference and what does make RS better, IMO that is, is that they redraw the sound effects whereas LIG doesn't. Seeing a TL note vs a redrawn sound effect is a notable difference. I said people complain when there is minimal difference between reuploads or when the quality worse. But they don't when the reupload is better or fixes something. LIG's reuploads are not better quality, they're arguably worse and they don't fix anything such as missing pages or grossly incorrect translations. LIG uploading a month behind with lower or equal quality is pointless. Him behaving like other groups have to ask his permission is vain and arrogant; he mentions people should ask or offer to help him in the chapter 44 comments, as well as other chapters he's uploaded on this and other series.

I know he did it on a chapter of one the DanMachi chapters, and aside from the times he's done it in the Mushoku chapters, I don't remember others off the top of my head. And I believe you received nice comments because most people realise what he said about bugging other groups is totally ridiculous and on him.

And yea, no. I didn't say I'm a 'pursuer of justice' or 'man of the people'. If you inferred that I have nothing other to say than I don't believe I'm any of that in either a literal or metaphorical sense. I said multiple people are irritated by the reuploads. I'm irritated by it too. Multiple people complain about it. I complain about it too. I'm not going to stop and neither are other people. As for the "feel like you won something" part, you're ignoring half the comment. Either you didn't read it or are trying to lie. Nolonar said

By replying to me again (in this comment section, at least), you're only providing further proof that you're an idiot. Not that we'd need any more proof.

And I said

As far as I can tell, you just wanna feel like you won something by getting me to stop responding.

In response because it seems more likely that he wants to feel like he won something by getting me to give up or stop responding more than he thinks I look like an idiot. As for the rule, the key word is "preferred". Call it semantics if you will, but I think it's fairly accurate.

 

[Nolonar]

@Yautja
Trap card activated!
My card revealed (at least) 3 proofs, that you're an idiot.

Proof #1
It is a non sequitur because I clearly stated I don't care about your attempts to justify yourself. There is literally nothing you can say that would be sequitur in that case.
You're clearly playing that "I win if I can prove you're wrong" game, but I'm not even playing. So, obviously, shouting "NON SEQUITUR" in that case is pointless. It's like pointing at the sky and shouting "THE SKY IS BLUE". I mean, you're not wrong, but you still make yourself look like an idiot for pointing out the obvious. What else is new? Water is wet?

Let me remind you of my 2 main arguments:

I. DON'T. CARE.

and

Yautja, I don't care about your justifications.

There's no way you can argue against that, because those are not arguments. They're walls whose purpose is to stop a conversation, not to convince people of rights or wrongs.
You wasted so much time writing that long autistic wall of text of yours despite the fact that any logical argumentation is pointless, which is as dumb as talking to a wall or a broken record.


Proof #2
I even wrote a warning sign telling you that my comment is a trap, namely:

By replying to me again (in this comment section, at least), you're only providing further proof that you're an idiot.

You still fell for the trap anyway. Or more precisely, you jumped into it. That's beyond stupid.


Proof #3
The more stupid someone is, the easier it is to manipulate them.
I wrote that warning sign, not with the intent to warn you, but with the intent to entice you into falling for the trap. And you fell for it gloriously.

Even Kronix wasn't dumb enough to fall for it. If nothing else, that's something I can respect him for.

By replying to me again (in this comment section, at least), you're only providing further proof that you're an idiot.

Q.E.D.


Oh, and this part caught my attention, courtesy of hijklol100, without whom I wouldn't have even bothered to notice it:

You say you don't care, but your actions and words say otherwise.

The question is, "what" do I not care about?

The answer is:

Yautja, I don't care about your justifications.

Now, if you want to make yourself look like an even bigger fool than everybody already thinks you are, I very much care about that.
The bullshit you spew in an attempt to save that hugely inflated ego of yours (i.e. your long autistic walls of text)? That, I don't care about.

But, hey, you wouldn't be Yautja if you didn't distort other people's words.


Despite my warnings, please, do keep replying to my comments. They're very entertaining to me.

 

[Amplify]

@Nolonar

Now, if you want to make yourself look like an even bigger fool than everybody already thinks you are, I very much care about that.

I concur! Watching this man who's utterly incapable of a shred of introspective continue to dribble all over himself is great entertainment, I've been grinning for over two days straight now.

 

[Yautja]

@Nolonar
I see very clearly why I said what I did about the cat and they dog, and speaking of which, why do you remember that if you don't care? It's been well over 2 weeks; I'd guess it's been at least a month or two since I've last spoken to you, as I have no other notifications of you, and I sure didn't remember you or that comment until you brought them up. I guess I must have left enough of a mark for you to remember it. Enough of a mark for you care about it and bring it back up.

And you keep saying you don't care, yet you write so much, and you get so angry. If you don't care, why do you reply? Why do you make such an effort? Your actions and words do not match, but hey, saying that apparently is non-sequitur. And so is explaining why something you said isn't true. I'm pretty sure you don't know what those words mean. I wonder if I said something about you saying the same things over and overs, lying and replying / quoting yourself in attempt to make it look like you've replied to me when all you've done is ignore what I've said in our last conversation? Which reminds me, you've done a fantastic job in doing the opposite of what I suggested. You've taken a whole chapter out of Amplify's big book of fallacies. Saying words mean something they don't, saying they don't mean something they do, lying, straw-manning and the whole shebang. I wonder if Amplify is your alt account or you're brothers or something.

All that said, I don't really expect a reply, at least not to what I said instead of what you wish to pretend I said. From what I see, you didn't really respond to much of what said in any of my comments, certainly the original reply. I get the feeling I've said that too. I think you do care, at least about getting the last word in so you can feel like you won something.

 

[Nolonar]

@Yautja
Yes, please keep replying. Watching you sink all that time of yours into writing pointless comments that nobody's going to read is so funny!

Notice how I keep replying to you, so you'll keep wasting your time like a moron.
Normally, most idiots would realize by now how stupid they're being by letting themselves be manipulated so easily, but not you. You're a special kind of daft. It's what I like about you.