Musume no Tomodachi - Vol. 1 Ch. 2 - It seems like he has become my father

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According to the info we know so far, she is a minor, who lost her mother (speculating that she was THE emotional pillar of the family considering how they are acting) and her only close relative is also escaping on his own way (into work). You can't call her selfish, because she can't handle her emotions in a state of distress and scorns the person who acts (seemingly) indifferent after the death of a loved one!
 
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I'm reminded of that "he's a student studying for exams so it's okay" scene from Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei.
It's true that she is in a set of bad circumstances; this explains her behavior, but does not excuse it. Selfishness does not cease to be selfishness because there are understandable reasons for it. From what we can see so far, it is a fact that she actively lashes out at and avoids her father over things he cannot control. While this is very human, realistic, and understandable, it is also plain selfish; lacking in empathy for the one person she has irrevocable ties to and who tries his best to provide for her. Again, this does not make her a bad person. It simply means she has a circumstantial flaw that some may find grating.

To simply say "her circumstances are bad so you can't call her selfish" is to avoid pointing out the problem with her behavior to begin with, which is to avoid getting on the path to healing. What I'm trying to say is that "selfish" is not a label that speaks to one's entire character.
 
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I'm lost.

Why are people here saying he is a bad dad ? He thinks of his daughter a lot, cook for her everyday, work for her too, what the fuck do you want more ?
Yeah, to the people saying He just need to broke the door and force her out lol, great idea for a depressed young girl who just lost her mother, it's a nice way if you want to see her commit suicide.

It's the daughter herself who need to accept reality, and see how much pain she cause for her father.

Same for his work, he can't really go against his boss now, he will be promoted soon, it's really NOT the good time to piss off his superior.
 
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@Siquall Wow, you really are lost. Cooking for your daughter shouldn't even be on the list and he's working for himself seeing how he goes all those extra miles to prop up his promotion chances. He actively avoids her to do more work after getting off of actual work. He's the adult and the father and should be with his daughter through a trying time like the death of her mother, instead he put his own head down in the sand and screamed "Woe is me" because he takes on more work than he can handle.

@MrRivet All of those things apply doubly to the father. Just because he's having a hard time with work (THAT HE TOOK ON) doesn't excuse him literally ignoring his daughter. He needs to realise his obligations aren't only to his employers. Performance anxiety can happen in a school setting as well so the daughter is just literally going through more as teenage years would just make everything worse. The father being a full adult doesn't have the hormonal excuse.
 
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How is his daughter even alive? By this point they haven’t even hinted at her sneaking away some sort of food/drink to her room...she’d eventually die like this.

It’s alright for the dad to give her some space but he really should start opening himself up to her in this moment where she’s clearly in a crisis.
 
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I never said the father was a saint either. Of the two, I'd be more inclined to sympathize with the father (though they both deserve sympathy) because he can't simply see into his daughter's mind to know what he needs to do to make her feel better. I see no evidence that the father doesn't try to spend as much time with her as he can, rather it's her who actively pushes him away. Anyone would be discouraged if his own daughter yelled at him from behind a closed door like that. He can't know the magic words to "unlock her heart" so to speak. Furthermore, given that he is a single parent who needs to be a provider, work is more or less non negotiable for him. He can't choose not to take it on, his and his daughter's livelihoods depend on his ability to do his work and get a consistent paycheck. Especially with what we know about Japanese work culture, that would likely stipulate hellish overtime with little else to be done about it. "The hormonal excuse" is hardly more valid than the "must put food on the table" excuse.

He could do more for his daughter, of course, but I think he's doing as much as could be reasonably expected of someone in his position.
 
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I see no evidence that the father doesn't try to spend as much time with her as he can
You see no evidence because you don't want to, because you decided early to sympathise with the father. The fact that he didn't even know how much school she skipped and whether she was actually sick or not are already big indicators. Anyone would also be discouraged if their father decided to pretty much ignore them after their mother's death, throwing himself into work like everything's normal.
Every excuse you make for the father can be applied to the daughter and she's the child, not him.

Furthermore, given that he is a single parent who needs to be a provider, work is more or less non negotiable for him.
Work, in general may be non negotiable but he's aiming to be a top performer, taking on work that's technically unnecessary.

"The hormonal excuse" is hardly more valid than the "must put food on the table" excuse.
It very much is. One is just a technical obligation and has nothing to do with emotional stability or leeway to take responsibility. The other very much does, and therefore this being an emotional situation means its liable to affect he teen more.

He could do more for his daughter, of course, but I think he's doing as much as could be reasonably expected of someone in his position.
Now that's just flat out false. For one the thing I mentioned in my earlier comment is one of the most basic things he could do. Be home, talk to his daughter sometimes. It isn't just work hours where he's avoiding going home, its after work too. He's clearly avoiding responsibility for his own offspring.
 
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How can you say that he simply ignores his daughter when he actively tries to speak with and interact with her? He makes efforts to bridge the gap with her, but his efforts are repeatedly frustrated by his daughter's coldness. Whether or not he somehow earned this coldness is not something we, as readers of the manga, can say with any certainty only two chapters into the series. There is no way we can know that he simply decided to ignore her after her mother's death. There is no way he can know that his daughter is a truant when he can't even see her face, and he has no prior reason to suspect this.

What I can say with certainty, however, is that this father and daughter need to meet each other half way in order to solve their issues, and that the father makes consistent attempts at doing this (attempting communication, saying "I'm off to work, I'm home", even though he gets no response, et cetera) while the daughter makes none. A man who works to provide for his offspring, attempts to bridge the gap with his offspring (even though he's bad at it) and even makes food for his offspring (not something all working single parents can find time to do) is in no way "avoiding responsibility" for his offspring. He could do better, but he's hardly at the point where he needs moral reproach.

The only thing I could think of that would indicate a lack of care is that he visits the cafe sometimes after work, which is no great crime since any person needs a quiet place where they can relax. As things are now with his daughter, anyways, there is not much difference going home would make for him. As far as taking extra work, I got the impression he was shoehorned into it by the expectations of his superiors, and that he didn't necessarily choose it, he just lacks the resolve to turn it down.
 
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I'm gonna stop to read about this. He is a little man without any balls, feared about every thing and (if i'm reading this good) he'll going to find a refuge in a little girl.
 
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Again, you're being blinded by your bias for him. His 'trying' as of this point is just him going to her room and trying to call her out, then getting mad at her when she reacts negatively. This is all only after he went to the school and got chewed out because he knew nothing about his daughter's situation, which implies he wasn't trying at all before them.

There is no way he can know that his daughter is a truant when he can't even see her face, and he has no prior reason to suspect this.
No, there is no way that he shouldn't have known as the father. You're even assuming that he never sees her and that she never leaves her room. So far all that was said is that she was 'sick' and was supposed to be missing school for a couple weeks.
The fact that he didn't see it coming is only a further black mark on his parenting.

What I can say with certainty, however, is that this father and daughter need to meet each other half way in order to solve their issues, and that the father makes consistent attempts at doing this (attempting communication, saying "I'm off to work, I'm home", even though he gets no response, et cetera) while the daughter makes none.
Those are regular Japanese sayings/greetings that one could say even if the lived alone, they're not meant directly for the daughter.

The only thing I could think of that would indicate a lack of care is that he visits the cafe sometimes after work, which is no great crime since any person needs a quiet place where they can relax. As things are now with his daughter, anyways, there is not much difference going home would make for him. As far as taking extra work, I got the impression he was shoehorned into it by the expectations of his superiors, and that he didn't necessarily choose it, he just lacks the resolve to turn it down.
Its a great crime when your wife just died and you have a strained relationships with your daughter. The very fact that you say there isn't much difference going home is exactly the problem, you're admitting you think he wouldn't try to connect with her or she with him if he did. Lacking resolve is also just an excuse.

Its even shown in the end pages of this chapter where he goes to her room and says her friends and teachers are worried about her. I don't think he even realises how callous that probably sounds to her, the fact he didn't include himself there. All that sounds like is "You're making me look bad".
 
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you're being blinded by your bias for him.
I could just as easily claim that you are "biased" for the daughter by virtue of your defending her and overlooking her behavioral flaws. Your earlier appeal to hormones might be a good example of this. However, I can not see into your head, nor you into mine. Let's leave such airy accusations out of this.

No, there is no way that he shouldn't have known as the father.
If the father works long days, his daughter does not speak to him, and the school has not yet notified him, how would he know? He can't keep tabs on her, and she would not tell him or give him signs that she was truant if she didn't want to be found out, doubly so if she rarely speaks to him at all. If he has an inherent trust for his daughter, he wouldn't assume she was hiding something from him. He wouldn't know until the school contacted him about it, which is exactly what happened. Hypothetically, there are ways he could have found out, but if his daughter literally puts a wall between them his options are limited in a pragmatic sense.

You're even assuming that he never sees her and that she never leaves her room.
On the contrary, I'm not assuming anything. We, as readers, have not observed any face to face interaction between the two in either of the chapters. If such a thing happened, it would be shown as a clearly important moment in establishing the relationship between them. The fact that it deliberately has not been shown conveys to the readers that the two never (or very rarely) speak face to face.

While we're speaking of assumptions though, you have assumed from the very beginning that the father was responsible for creating the distance in the first place. You claimed that he "pretty much ignored" her after the mother died, thus implying that she isolated herself from him as a result of his neglect, even though there is no evidence for this in the two chapters we have. Is it not perfectly possible that the daughter isolated herself first, and that the father gradually lost hope for reaching her and thus slackened his efforts, leading to the present situation?

Those are regular Japanese sayings/greetings that one could say even if the lived alone, they're not meant directly for the daughter.
Then how about his apologizing for being at work late, asking if she's had dinner yet, advising her to eat if she feels sick, only to be met with the words "Don't act so familiar with me!" from his own daughter? All of this happens in the first chapter. Judging from his expression after hearing those words, they clearly hurt him deeply, as could only be done by words from a person he cared very much for.

Its even shown in the end pages of this chapter where he goes to her room and says her friends and teachers are worried about her. I don't think he even realises how callous that probably sounds to her, the fact he didn't include himself there. All that sounds like is "You're making me look bad".
To me, it sounds more like "I know you no longer care whether I'm worried, but what about the others in your life?" It doesn't bespeak selfishness but lack of confidence in himself and the aforementioned loss of hope. The father does not strike me as callous, but as exceptionally worried and perhaps somewhat cowed by his daughter's past rejections (based on his being ignored seeming routine, it's been going on for a while). I think how the story will play out is through the girl he is speaking with giving him the courage he needs to reach his daughter in spite of her open hostility towards him.

Perhaps you will say something like, 'there is no reason why a girl should need to give him courage in the first place, if he is a worthy father he should have had the courage already!' and you would be correct. How nice it would be, if everybody had the courage to say what needed to be said, and the ability to mend all relationships! I don't think this is the story of such a father, though. If it were about a perfect father, there would be no story, just so if it were about a perfect daughter. As I said before, both characters are sympathetic and I don't think either of them are bad. Only, the father is slightly more deserving of sympathy on account of the efforts he puts in. Above all, the father realizes his own flaws and wants to correct them (check the scene after the meeting at the school). Neither the daughter nor the father are worthy of scorn, even if words like "selfish" or "cowardly" may apply in spades to them both.
 
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You're saying MC is a coward? You must not be very smart to be honest. He just "saved" that girl last chapter too.

He is a single father raising a daughter. He can't afford to offend his superiors and get fired. Money is needed to raise her, or do you think he should get fired and have her end up a prostitute in the streets? Getting a good enough job for two people is hard.
His work life is stressful, covering for incompetent juniors. He wants to get along with his daughter but she refuses it. He is also struggling with the lose of his wife that he loves.

He also doesn't seem to have any friends or family to confide to. Now comes someone who actually cares about him. Of course, he would be somewhat smitten with her. Honestly, with the stress he is going through, it wouldn't have been surprising he commits suicide.

If you don't want to read it, then just don't.
 
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@Kuyu Obey your boss, raise a child, they are every day problems, but he don't fight them, he run away from them. For this, he is a coward. Plus, he's going to thrown in this situation a little girl! How can you justify him?
 
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I have a feeling most of the people in the comments have never experienced working in all of their lives
 
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This old man really useless. He is typical yes-man to his boss, never care for his family, now trying to hit a schoolgirl....
Imagine how his daugther reaction when she found out that he is dating with her's school friend.

And someone saying his daugther is a bitch. She is still in high school which is still need her parent attention. Despite that her father never been there for her, even after her mother died.
They justified that his father need working to earn money. Sure without money you can't life, but that's not enough reason to abandoned your daughter. Yet he is still selfish that this is not his fault....
 
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@suhericoba They both worth each other (father and daughter). They both cant say what they want. Typical situation when two people just can't share their pain with each other.
 
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Seems like a shitty job, with a good pay.
But no thank you, I have a shitty stomach that aches with a little stress.
 

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