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Wait why'd she get mad at her for feeding the cat? It's not like she'd have known that Shiro would've left a kitten behind.

If anything she should have TNR the cat because she seems to have more experience with this sorta stuff??????
 
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The story is cute but the moral logic in the first half makes zero sense to a point that I'm vaguely incensed.

It feels like the cat equivalent of saying, "don't feed the poor, they'll breed and we won't be able to take care of them all".

There's rational arguments for not feeding stray cats—mostly around what a sufficient number of outdoor cats can do, as a race, to the local small wildlife when their population is kept propped up by humans (basically small fluffy genocide). But, "you won't be able to take care of all of them all the time, so just ignore them" is simply nonsense. And cats are actually really good at living on intermittent human support, they've evolved alongside us to do basically just that.

(Incidentally, those arguments notwithstanding, I could never see feeding strays as evil. House-cats are our symbiotes. Ours is a terribly long-standing arrangement over them protecting our food, which attracts their food (e.g. rodents), and it would seem terribly crass not to honour our long-standing mutualism just because we don't need them as much anymore.)

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A very good point... XD

Though (I say, after bitching about the same thing for three paragraphs XD) her attitude seemed to be more, "I'm sick of feeling responsible for cat lives", from which point of view her prior inaction (and all-or-nothing approach) makes a lot of very human sense. (This is disregarding that they're high-school kids and might What baffled me was rather the other girl's (or rather the author/narrative's) acceptance of all that as if it were universal truth.

Anyway, between that and the interaction with the friends, there's definitely a weird "y'all don't care enough! You don't deserve cats!" vibe here. Which is something I'm used to seeing in the context of people buying from unscrupulous breeders or not wanting to pay to bring their cats to the vets, but feeding strays is a new one. Except in the case of over-feeding strays, I guess. Which I thought was where this manga was going for a split-second near the beginning XD
 
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That's actually a pretty involved issue and people have debated that for some time. Let's take one extreme. Not feeding a stray cat and risking that it might starve to death may seem cruel and heartless, but consider the misery that single cat might go through may be amplified by many more if that cat somehow manages to have kittens. A cat can have kitten as early as 18 weeks or so and have 2 to 3 litters a year. And every single one of those kittens will go through similar hardships. Feral cat population absolutely EXPLODE where they have resources which includes abundant wildlife AND people willing to feed them.

Secondly, generally speaking, cats are capable to providing for themselves, especially if they're fully feral. In fact, maybe a little too much so. You mentioned the devastating effects they can have on local wildlife, especially song birds. Feeding them may simply allow the ones who would not have made it naturally to thrive and contribute to the overpopulation and problem as well as the depredation problem, because even the indoor cats that gets fed regularly do hunt and kill (but maybe not eat) local wildlife.

Third, and perhaps, paradoxically, just feeding them isn't enough. There are health issues that the cats can have living in the wild that feeding them will not solve. In fact, by the effect of convenient feeding, it may allow the weak and diseased ones to keep living and transmit what they have to otherwise healthy and capable feral cats.

So usually, the most good feeding feral cats does is to your feeling. It makes you feel warm and fuzzy and makes you think you've done something when it's, at best, neutral. Which doesn't make it bad, necessarily, but in a case like this, when you have in effect supported a cat, you shoulder on additional responsibility. That's why Tsubaki was so mad when Himari became indecisive about the kitten. That small life was a direct result of Himari's capricious charity that was more for her own warm and fuzzies than for the cat. If you recall, before that, Tsubaki wasn't mad; she simply told Himari that she shouldn't feed a stray, which is a valid, if in debate, opinion among those in the rescue circle.

You mentioned poor people, and at least in the case of homeless, it's acknowledged that simply giving them money doesn't help. There's a reason why they're homeless and money you give them now will disappear just as quickly as the money they had before. And there's a healthcare parallel as well, as many homeless have either substance abuse and/or mental health issues that a direct charity does nothing to address. It's not that you shouldn't give them money (which I think is more for your warm and fuzzies than actually helping) but the resources should be directed in other ways.

And it's the same here. Helping stray isn't about just feeding them. It's a band-aid over a wound that might provide a temporary relief but the wound itself might fester and rot later. Many rescue organizations will neuter/spay and release. That breaks the reproduction cycle. Some will even trap and euthanize, although support for that is really low.

Anyway, I don't think the manga's position on feeding stray is evil. It's just that you shouldn't do it. Which may seem heartless, but it is one of the major positions among rescue circles. It makes a further point that if you do feed them, then you have voluntarily shouldered on additional responsibility and you should follow through. Which again is a common position among the rescue circles.

As for her disillusionment with her volunteering, that's also incredibly common. Volunteer groups tend to be led by one or two very committed core who aren't discouraged by ANYTHING and then others who come in with all the enthusiasm in the world, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, and then get battered by the reality. In this manga, it seems that Tsubaki saw that she was being used as a convenient excuse for people to abandon kittens without feeling guilty. That would crush anyone's enthusiasm. Some volunteers can pick up the pieces and move on, but others can't, and I don't think you can blame them. It's brutal. I've personally seen people coming to animal shelters thinking they'll get to play with puppies and kittens all day long and then get ground down to dust by how it actually is. How do you tell a volunteer that there is a parvo outbreak and you can either spend the budget for the rest of the year to treat the puppies, or euthanize them, sanitize the facility, and try to help the batch that will come in next week? If anything, that dynamic makes this manga seem more real to me, as if the mangaka had actual experience in volunteering at a similar organization.
 
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A cat can have kitten as early as 18 weeks or so and have 2 to 3 litters a year. And every single one of those kittens will go through similar hardships.

This is precisely the logic what I was talking about when comparing it to, "don't feed the poor, they'll breed and we won't be able to take care of them all".

Yes, systemic change is necessary to fix systemic problems, but (and I'm not saying you said this, but you edged uncomfortably towards implying it for my tastes, even if accidentally) saying that because of that, that helping the person (or, cat) in front of you is bad or even evil, is transparently screwed-up. Is that the attitude we want people to take if we ever end up in dire straits? (Arguing that it makes little difference in the grand scheme of things, as you have, is a totally reasonable stance, but arguing that it makes no difference to the individual in question is silly (and, the reasoning for it in humans, grounded in anti-homeless stereotypes that certainly do not apply to each individual person), and I would go so far as to say that arguing that it is bad for these reasons would be edging into sociopathy.)

(Edit: To be clear, again, I'm totally aware there are morally sound (e.g. ecological) reasons to support stray-cat-neglect, notwithstanding the above or below (Less so with people, simply because of the additional value we place on human lives over other species'). I'm incensed at certain rationale, here, not the anti-stray conclusion itself.)

Anyway. Yeah, I'm totally aware that working with shelters or rescue programs or even as veterinarians crushes people and makes sad, angry, tired jaded folk out of even (or especially) the brightest and most empathic. I know I'm not cut out for that warzone, and accordingly with my lack of such experience I may lack some perspectives. Advocating so strongly for survival-of-the-fittest with strays for their own sakes is nonetheless, as I said, a new one for me. (Certainly I wouldn't have expected a rescue organization to go around feeding strays, to be clear.) But the basic argument that the manga itself seems to be espousing—"you won't be able to take care of them all, so best to just let nature take its course"—still seems, at best, the tired cry of someone who doesn't want to be involved with any more suffering personally; and is certainly not a rational argument about consequences (or rather, to the extent that it is rational, it broadly reduces to the absurdly extreme stance that we should just kill everyone that might suffer; thereby suffering shall be prevented).

Edit 2: To step back three steps and reduce this to the super-abstract: The primary weakness of utilitarianism is its propensity to advocate for the suffering of a certain sacrificial group for the net benefit of the whole. Sometimes this is justified, particularly when the consequences are horrible either way and the potential harm to the whole is much larger. There are scenarios where that might be the case with feeding stray cats. But, "if you feed the poor and weak, there will be more poor and weak, and then less will be happy, so let them starve" seems to clearly fail those tests. And that's about as far as the manga went.
 
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@xines idk if you found out already or not but basically MangaDex mods changed the description of one of the manga he translated (My Sister's Funeral) and he deleted it all after telling them not to. You can check out the drama on that manga's comments section.
 
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@Sarsak Can you link me the drama? I didn't see nothing in the comments section. I also checked his discord and he didn't give an explanation either.
 
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@Sarsak LMAO I just found the comments. "Touch my shit again and I'm deleting all my stuff from MangaDex" is he a kid ?
 

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