Namaiki na Gal Ane wo Wakaraseru Hanashi

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Now I get to say this back. You are now morally obliged to :02: wwww
Goddammit. Fine! :pacman:

But you better tell me what my thing was about as a response to this so I know you read it.
let's start that with a very clear sentence. women can be mysoginistic, just as men can be misandric. not to mix with homophobia, but both can be applied together to certain subjects.
There are better voices to be calling out microaggressions than a straight man.
ie: the tradwife movement, which promotes a vision of feminity through the cage of the nuclear, heterosexual familly where the woman works the home, for free, folding to the man's leisure.
Holy mother of digression. Did respond to the wrong thread?
Very recenty my gran got separed from gramps because he has alzheimer's disease.
Then she opened about her life in the 70's and an illegal abortion she had somewhere then, the following years of depression and a suicide attempt, which was then covered as a sickness by gramps, medical staff and herself.
Holy mother of digression. Did respond to the wrong thread?
Conservative women who lobby against abortion and religious types who endorse certain extreme forms of patriachy, like infibulation (dont ever google image this!!!) and full body veils, to control women's appearance, life and behaviour through traditions are mysoginitic by intent...
I don't know what Africa and the Middle East have to do with the cartoon drawn by an Asian woman.
If you've ever dug up testimonies of closeted violence, you would learn that a lot of people who are raised in violence, might tend to perpetuate violence later, on other people including their offspring, and that violence skews their understanding of where care turns to abuse, creating vicious circles lasting decades.
Holy mother of digression. Did respond to the wrong thread?
Hence the problem i have with "i can fix her" types of fantasies, which often skid into stalking, sis-brocon/neto cancer (as in this manga) and gaslighting.
What do you mean "Hence"? None of what you said up until this point connected even tangentially to what you're saying now.
Let's imagine that the author is young and her understanding of sex is through pornography and abuse... then she'll struggle to understand why people cratered her doujin for drawing it this way and god knows what kind of abuse she'll been sent for it.
She knows exactly why. There was drama about this before.
The whole genre is way into the creep valley. If there's known routes to "fix" her, ie doctors, therapies and shrinks, why not document and draw that? oh there actually is? yup.
If you find the works of Zyugoya "creepy", then you don't like the concept of romance in general.
i've seen stories who explore the abuses in medical history, like treating militantism as hysteria, shock therapy against autism (that form of torture was only banned recently!!) and more... these subjects could be interresting to cover as underground mangas and comics. With the violence and all.
I don't know what these have to do with the cartoon drawn by an Asian woman.
 
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Well, the main story is about a former town bike girl who slept with every guy who as much as looked at her.

She is also a emotionless style character.

Then she meets the virgin MC, and starts dating him.

Through the story we find out that she was groomed into being a slut by a former teacher, who told her that opening your legs to guys for quick sex is A-OK and the normal thing to do.

The story itself is mostly typical fluff romance, rarely ever talking about her past.


Then in the last arc, her former groomer reappears.

It is revealed the FMC is actually thankful to her groomer teacher for the lessons, not at all thinking it was bad in anyway.

What does the MC do? He willingly offers her to go study with her former groomer alone in a room. For her studies. He does this with the most wholesome smile.

The groomer even mocks him saying he will have to charge extra to be in a room alone with the FMC.

MC:"Yeah sure, here have my GF that you groomed to become a cock sleave, we cool, I know nothing will happen cause we're friends"

After that study session, the FMC breaks up with the MC so she doesn't get distracted in her studies with her ex groomer teacher.

This is where the latest tl chap left off.

The story ended already in 2 chaps still in raw with them just getting back together.

The groomer is never confronted about his actions, he instead gets a whole chap of him justifying his actions.

The author apparently does not think anything is wrong with any of this, as if they legit did not even notice what they wrote. Which is what pisses off many readers.

Author writes like an autist who never talked to anyone in their life. And knows nothing of believable human relations.



Ok that was my half-assed attempt at TLDRing it.
So... the author will end this manga quickly? It will not even reach a year, haha!
 
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if you're going to nitpick and be dishonest about my quasi essay on misoginy by women on women, using examples isnt going to change, clearly.

for starters i didnt care if the author was fem/male when i wrote my 1st post. i dont have context on what she did before, i only flashed e-hentai just to confirm that she did porn with the same style and the same character.

oh and to hell with your one sentence quotes, they clearly show you deconstructing and cutting context off to try to get away. it's cheap, lame and it's also visually horrible to read, so thanks for that.

there's no fucking tengeance here if it's adding subject matter to describe and add examples to the problem. the location doesnt matter, it's violence. also it's much more widespread than you make it appear and in the case of infib, it was even being illegally practiced in europe and that has caused some big outrages. it kills women in some of the most horrible ways one can imagine.

i know that romance in writing had a broad range of fucked up, from lolita and millenium to romeo and juliet, yet that does NOT mean they are okay or acceptable and written to be such, as this manga does.
the lack of critical awareness in writing is the angle i pick, because the other one fucking sucks.
 
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why not? you're implying it's the wrong place, but is there really any? besides i didnt get downvoted to oblivion, so...
eh. i'll stop there, i made my point anyway.
 
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So... the author will end this manga quickly? It will not even reach a year, haha!
It has over 70 chapters.
why not? you're implying it's the wrong place, but is there really any? besides i didnt get downvoted to oblivion, so...
eh. i'll stop there, i made my point anyway.
We have no patience for your racist rants about African and Middle Eastern cultures. Keep your White Colonialist attitudes to yourself, please. If you want to be a racist xenophobe, you can go rant to your little incel friends on 4chan.
 
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I think you're mixing up a lot of the different versions of the story. First version she was just a normal slut. Bro was trying to make her "understand" what "Good sex" is like.

Second version has her be an inconsistent mess who starts off shy and meek until the sex starts, where she then flips a switch and loves every second of it with the fervor of an unhinged sex addict. This is entirely consensual on her part. From this version on, bro isn't after her body. In fact, bro's sexual interest in her completely evaporates, and we only see him care for her as a sister.

The serialization has her not even know these people, and actually make an effort to remove herself from a bad situation.

As for the FB, I took it to be a "I'm not happy about the being blackmailed into this, but also I'm literally incapable of not having an orgasm after you've gone well out of your way to make sure I do"-type thing.
I'm not mixing up the various versions any more than Egaki herself does. She says elements of the original story aren't canon due to Pixiv stepping in or well-deserved audience backlash, but all of the original content before the serialized version doesn't really contradict each other, and these allegedly separate versions even reference apparently non-canon events from what's supposed to be a "different version" regardless. I think it's pretty obvious Egaki was just hiding her intentions and expecting the audience to read between the lines. The serialized version is the only one that's truly distinct, and that's only because all actual erotic events have been clearly excised out of professional necessity.

I understand the details are supposed to vary between them, but what I'm getting at is that, either way, the genie is already out of the bottle for this disjointed train wreck of a series. As you yourself said, "[Egaki is] making the series she actually wants to make in the FB. She even said that that's where she would be "true to herself"." I haven't looked into her exact words, so I'd appreciate it if you could point me in the direction of the post she said it, but I'm not inclined to be skeptical. We know what the initial concept was supposed to be, we know what Egaki herself prefers, and we know what's simply her capitulating to audience pressure or needing to censor the idea because creative expression is getting smothered to death on Pixiv.

So she's basically doing this sanitized serialized version just in hopes of getting a paycheck. At best, it maybe represents more of what the original concept was supposed to be where the brother was a predatory yandere who came off as wanting to monopolize her before Egaki had to nix that because of Pixiv rules, but since it has no erotic content, we can't be sure if it's taking more after the (seeming) later direction where the brother's intentions are wholesome. I'm not convinced of anything myself; he's still drawn as a creepy guy with no highlights in his eyes, so he could just be using the idea of a pure sibling relationship as a manipulation tactic, but again, the concept is completely muddled by now, so who even knows what this story is supposed to be about?

Meanwhile, Egaki still shits out the NTR garbage that's apparently "true to herself" on her fanbox, defeating the point of the serialized direction. It doesn't matter if it's not strictly canon, because it's ultimately the same concept and represents an element of what the mangaka means to convey through the idea and its characters.

It'd be one thing if Egaki had abandoned the prior version entirely and we could say it's just an earlier draft or basis of the idea, ala Nagatoro's serialization, but it's not that. It's a companion piece, but usually content behind a paywall like this is used to cater to the audience by showing the sex the default version can't (ala Zyugoya's or Hamita1220's works) or an "alternate possibility" where erotic content happens when it wouldn't otherwise. In this case, you're paying extra for NTR because Egaki's initial incest plans went up in smoke, though, so ultimately the serialized version and its associated erotic content are at odds with each other. It's just a mess.

Having said all that, it's really not that big a deal. Ultimately it's just an artist stumbling over themselves trying to make money off of an idea they apparently care about, but ending up with nothing but poorly written smut.
 
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I'm not mixing up the various versions any more than Egaki herself does. She says elements of the original story aren't canon due to Pixiv stepping in or well-deserved audience backlash, but all of the original content before the serialized version doesn't really contradict each other, and these allegedly separate versions even reference apparently non-canon events from what's supposed to be a "different version" regardless. I think it's pretty obvious Egaki was just hiding her intentions and expecting the audience to read between the lines.
I don't know what you're trying to say here.

She made one version, she got banned for it, and then she gave a nod to the original in the new version.

I haven't looked into her exact words, so I'd appreciate it if you could point me in the direction of the post she said it, but I'm not inclined to be skeptical.
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/kusobitch-na-gal-ane-o-wakaraseru-hanashi.1809922/post-22199878
We know what the initial concept was supposed to be, we know what Egaki herself prefers, and we know what's simply her capitulating to audience pressure or needing to censor the idea because creative expression is getting smothered to death on Pixiv.
I don't really get what your complaint is.
Meanwhile, Egaki still shits out the NTR garbage that's apparently "true to herself" on her fanbox, defeating the point of the serialized direction. It doesn't matter if it's not strictly canon, because it's ultimately the same concept and represents an element of what the mangaka means to convey through the idea and its characters.
It's not canon at all. In fact, it looks like it's literally a timeline where the brother doesn't help at all. There's no "NTR" because it's clearly an entirely different continuity with none of the romantic setup. Not only that, the brother isn't set up as interested in this timeline either, so even if this really is some "what if" of the current one, it's still not NTR.
 
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I don't know what you're trying to say here.

She made one version, she got banned for it, and then she gave a nod to the original in the new version.
You yourself have noted the inconsistency of what is and isn't canon to the original series on other websites.

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I'm just saying that Egaki only differentiates the canon of the original story to give herself plausible deniability, such as to skirt under Pixiv's rules or to avoid audience backlash by saying the dubcon/NTR/slutty content isn't canon, even though for all intents and purposes it is.

Ahh, right, I saw this when I was reading over the thread before. Thank you.

Well, admittedly, her original words are more vague than simply saying the FB is more true to what she loves than the serialization. In this context it seems more like she's just saying she's trying to stick to her principles regarding the art she likes to make as much as possible... which, granted, still includes the shit on the FB. V:

I don't really get what your complaint is.
It's a potentially interesting concept with good art marred by shoddy execution brought on by the limits of the creator's platform and her own apparent fixation on shitty fetishes that make the art less worth engaging with.

It's not canon at all. In fact, it looks like it's literally a timeline where the brother doesn't help at all. There's no "NTR" because it's clearly an entirely different continuity with none of the romantic setup. Not only that, the brother isn't set up as interested in this timeline either, so even if this really is some "what if" of the current one, it's still not NTR.
It's more complicated than that. There wouldn't be so much debate and confusion surrounding what this series is even about otherwise. Either way, the FB story goes in a mediocre direction.
 
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I'm just saying that Egaki only differentiates the canon of the original story to give herself plausible deniability, such as to skirt under Pixiv's rules or to avoid audience backlash by saying the dubcon/NTR/slutty content isn't canon, even though for all intents and purposes it is.
That makes more sense, then.
Ahh, right, I saw this when I was reading over the thread before. Thank you.

Well, admittedly, her original words are more vague than simply saying the FB is more true to what she loves than the serialization. In this context it seems more like she's just saying she's trying to stick to her principles regarding the art she likes to make as much as possible... which, granted, still includes the shit on the FB. V:
Hey, it's good art! I wouldn't want to stop her from drawing it! :pacman:
It's a potentially interesting concept with good art marred by shoddy execution brought on by the limits of the creator's platform and her own apparent fixation on shitty fetishes that make the art less worth engaging with.
Not unfair.
It's more complicated than that. There wouldn't be so much debate and confusion surrounding what this series is even about otherwise. Either way, the FB story goes in a mediocre direction.
The confusion stems from the fact that a large minority of readers have the reading comprehension of literal children. In the pre-ser, the story literally, canonically tells us that she's a "Dirty slut", and then makes all the Fanbox content explicitly canonical in Chapter 4. Meanwhile these crayon-eating mouth breathers somehow insist she's been raped. It's the reason I can't get the "sexual violence" and "Erotica" tags removed from said pre-ser.
 
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The confusion stems from the fact that a large minority of readers have the reading comprehension of literal children. In the pre-ser, the story literally, canonically tells us that she's a "Dirty slut", and then makes all the Fanbox content explicitly canonical in Chapter 4. Meanwhile these crayon-eating mouth breathers somehow insist she's been raped. It's the reason I can't get the "sexual violence" and "Erotica" tags removed from said pre-ser.
I absolutely think it's an issue with the story rather than strictly a matter of misinterpretation, and perhaps a partially intentional one. Just like how Egaki says something is "noncanon" and then acts within the pre-ser story as though it's canon anyway, the story may willfully contradict itself, indicating one thing while showing or implying another. It's trying to create a sense of ambiguity. The problem is that how Egaki's alleged retcons and the resulting quibbling over what's canon (and her hiding gross shit which recontextualizes the story over a pay wall) doesn't mix well with the minimalism of the story's format, so it just comes off as disjointed and like she can't seem to decide what she even wants the story to be.

I think it was wrong for you to get downvoted into oblivion on that other site when you argued the sister wasn't being raped, but I also think the people arguing against you were correct to note that the sister seemed uncomfortable and was coerced into the situation, and you yourself have noted how she's also being blackmailed. But she also clearly gets off on the situation, even if it's just as a physiological reaction after being forced, and she's the one willfully putting herself in sketchy situations where she's being called on as a woman of convenience, used, and abused.

She's ambivalent about it; part of her feels that what she's doing is wrong, but she still subjects herself to it (and conversely, when her brother puts her in a Santa costume to go entertain kids, she asks if it's really okay for someone like her to do something wholesome like that). When she decides to go home after the blowjob imageset, though, the guy lets her go with no consequences, which shows part of her is allowing all this to happen. It's dubcon - dubious consent.

The initial question posed by the story is whether the sister is just a dirty slut, as the rumors say (and her brother tries to "fix") or somehow misunderstood, trying to fit in and connect with others but just ending up taken advantage of. It's both and neither. The one thing we can say for sure is she's a moody dumbass ho... so who gives a fuck what happens to her? That's where my ability to give a fuck really ends. It's almost more interesting puzzling out what Egaki's actual point is and bullshitting with you over it.

By the same token, are the brother's intentions wholesome, or do his feelings run deeper? The imageset where the brother molests the sister while she's sick is labeled a "dream," but is it really? It happening doesn't contradict with anything else. An incestuous element was part of Egaki's original intent, and the brother's portrayal is constantly presented in a shady light, but Egaki can't go full tilt on it because of how she's been shut down before. Maybe the lack of erotic content will allow the yandere implications to actually manifest in the serialized version, though, given what went down in chapter 3. ¯\(ツ)/¯
 
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Ngl, the people who are mad sound very incel-like. Calling a female character a “whore”, “slut”, or “bitch” and then pairing it with irredeemable is major incel vibe.

It doesn’t matter what the story is about at this point. People seem to care more about their philosophical views and ideas of relationships more.

If you hate a character so much for being a woman that slept around, you need to reevaluate yourself. Are you mad they didn’t cherish themselves or are you mad you didn’t get in on the action? Which flavor of sickness are you?
 
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Ngl, the people who are mad sound very incel-like. Calling a female character a “whore”, “slut”, or “bitch” and then pairing it with irredeemable is major incel vibe.

It doesn’t matter what the story is about at this point. People seem to care more about their philosophical views and ideas of relationships more.

If you hate a character so much for being a woman that slept around, you need to reevaluate yourself. Are you mad they didn’t cherish themselves or are you mad you didn’t get in on the action? Which flavor of sickness are you?
It's just a story, and the character in question is both called those things and demonstrated to be them in it. Nobody is mad at the character; she's hardly even that developed to begin with. The only thing anybody ever really took issue with was how the mangaka has historically handled the presentation of the story and its prior iteration, since it came off as deceptive. On the contrary, you seem more offended that people are simply calling a spade a spade.

For my part, though, I'm not going to spare any tears for a character like that. It takes more than a pair of tits and a pretty face for me to care about somebody's story, especially when they're a nasty person who brings ruin on themselves.
 
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I would say, it's up to the author to make story. I just hope that they know what they're doing.
Tho, i see some authors do make some versions of plot and ending for story they make.

Pretty much even if they make it vanilla and become famous, they will get ntr or other kind of degenerated doujins from their readers eventually.

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