Hi! Sorry it's so late, but thanks for the long response, and it's nice to see that your ilk can actually form a rational response. However, there are a number of contradictions and a touch of a double standard. You start it off as an attack, saying that incels are fatherless and would be rejected, yet later on you say that "while also bad, [men-haters] more likely than not have a more valid reason", then in your fifth paragraph you are arguing to give the FMC the benefit of the doubt. There is a clear bias being shown here, which is fine since everyone has a bias of some sort, however I can tell with your response you haven't bothered to try and see through that bias considering you end it by saying you're tired of hatred towards giant groups of others, while thinking it's funny to call people incel.
Now, let me explain why I made the comment I did. Page 7, rudezki made a comment calling the MC an incel for...having standards. "Black hair, neat looking, and prefer someone inexperienced" are his standards, and that's incel, somehow. The latter one is the main one I'm assuming they're referring to, but that's fairly common for a virgin male to want to lose their virginity to someone that's also one. Lets go to the other side of the "incels" here. Having been a while since I've read it, I did re-read the comments up to when I saw the first person to call everyone an incel, and for the most part it wasn't really warranted. The people in the first 5 pages were discussing the MC, commonly saying how easy it was for him to flip on his standards as well as how he's unequipped mentally for this type of relationship, the FMC who people are in agreement is a hurt girl that, while yes a slut, needs legitimate help, and the mangaka for writing this type of story. The first time someone calls people an incel here barely relates it to the story, just saying "the Tate incels in the comments make my heart sink" which I have a hard time relating to anything before it.
After that first comment is when the floodgate seemed to open where you get people just saying "wow incels in the comments", which again, I have a hard time really seeing. This is why I made my comment, since just going "wow incel" isn't constructive whatsoever. Going through it again, I actually gave them too much credit by saying they're defending the slut when the majority weren't even doing that, so I really should've just cut out that part of my statement when I made it. Granted, it is hypocritical of me to say those comments aren't constructive when mine really wasn't either, but I felt at the time that someone had to really call out those people, and it is annoying to see that word pop up any time someone is even slightly critical of a female, fictional or otherwise.
Hopefully this is an adequate response. I woke up shortly before seeing your response, so I'm still quite drowsy.
First, I just want to say thank you for your response.
When I said "fatherless behavior", that was referring to a specific concept and not literally not having a dad. In my circles, fatherless behavior are things done or said by a person which takes their own lack of self-confidence and insecurity of themselves and projects it onto the world. If you carry a gun, not for protection, but just because it gives you a feeling of power over other people, fatherless behavior. Buying an expensive car just to show it off and have people think you're cool, fatherless behavior. And getting mad at women for sleeping around, especially imaginary women in a story, falls in line with that.
Projecting their insecurity in their personality or looks onto other people who represent what they lack. And I'm not saying they can't
not like people who've had a lot of sex. What I'm saying is that things like calling the MC a cuck for deciding to go out with her, or just calling the FMC a whore without even trying to engage with the premise of the story, are the "incel" comments.
"...trying to make a nasty whore sympathetic and turn her into a good girl? This makes my skin crawl, fucking repulsive."
"The manga was great until he caved to the slut. She made her bed, keep your values dude."
"If she had better self worth she'd realize that her ex just wanted to do her and she wasn't interested/ready for that but went along with it anyway because loneliness. It's all excuses for her whorish behavior. She's not a bad person she's just a slut and you don't date sluts lest you want your heart broken and people laughing behind your back."
While I have to admit, I did cherry pick a bit, there aren't a lack of comments just talking about how the FMC is a slut and how you can't fix them, not caring about the actual situation shown in the chapter. It's probably out differing worldviews that have us seeing these comments differently.
And about my bias, yes, I do have one. While I don't care for "man-haters" or "incels", I do think one is more valid than the other. It's not uncommon that women that become "man-haters" had some event that made it so that they feel unsafe around men. Some kind of physical assault or physical threat might have happened that made them feel unsafe around men(which is unfortunately not rare). On the other hand, what has the average "incel" gone through that made them hate women, especially ones that are promiscuous? Most of the time it's a mix of rejection and insecurity of both looks and personality. Yes there can be women who just hate men for the sake of it, and I'm sure that there are men who hate women because they were assaulted, but one has more validity than the other.
Also, in my first paragraph in my original response I was talking the fantasy of "incels" rejecting whores and sluts, not that they would be rejected by the women.
Hope you have a good day ✌🏾
. Doesn't mean ppl cant change, and she VERY clearly wants to change
