Netorare Tsuihousareta Saikyou Kishi Danchou no Ossan, Katainaka de Eiyuu ni Matsuriagerareru - Ch. 6.1

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I don't really care about that series.

The series I care about, I scanlate them if someone doesn't do them.

I pay out of my pocket for all the series I translate when the chapters are not free. I buy the magazines. I buy the volumes for the extras. Just so people can enjoy them too. I never asked a single cents to anyone.

And I'm alone. If it's a group, they'd just have to pool that bit of money and it'd be even cheaper.

There's ZERO reason to make the readers pay for something pirated, except greed.
But its way easier to do them if you only do it once in a month on a manga, not like scanlators that are keeping up with the original manga, not everyone has enough money to spend it all the time on raws for a manga, i dont agreed with every type of paywalling, but having a patreon with one chapter advanced is good imo
 
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but having a patreon with one chapter advanced is good imo
Whatever you do, don't do that.

Yes, you can have a Patreon, or a Ko-Fi, or whatever other payment system that tickles your fancy.

But no, you're not allowed to have "advanced" chapters behind paywalls while posting here on MD. That is exactly why Tsuki no Fansub and Bega Scans got banhammered from MD.

The reason for this is very, very simple. Anytime you paywall chapters, that's gonna eventually draw the attention of a publisher. It's not a matter of "if" but "when".

And if there's one thing that publishers despise even more than just piracy? It's bootlegging. And yes, putting chapters behind paywalls counts as bootlegging.

So once a publisher takes note of that? They'll start by reporting your accounts to those payment systems, which will not only ban you from their services, but also reverse as many payments as possible. The loss of funds isn't just immediate. It's retroactive.

And honestly, I am not just pulling this out of my ass. Just check on Nerissa's Barely Competent Jailbird Scans to see what I mean. She's constantly getting her accounts banned by Ko-Fi, and she isn't paywalling anything for any amount of time.

Anyhow, after that the next step is going to be Cease and Desist letters for you, as well as DMCA strikes against MD. Which is bad because that means you're officially on their radar, and MD gets caught in the lines of fire since it's being hosted on their website.

So please. Don't do that. It only hurts everyone, including yourself, in the long run.
 
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Whatever you do, don't do that.

Yes, you can have a Patreon, or a Ko-Fi, or whatever other payment system that tickles your fancy.

But no, you're not allowed to have "advanced" chapters behind paywalls while posting here on MD. That is exactly why Tsuki no Fansub and Bega Scans got banhammered from MD.

The reason for this is very, very simple. Anytime you paywall chapters, that's gonna eventually draw the attention of a publisher. It's not a matter of "if" but "when".

And if there's one thing that publishers despise even more than just piracy? It's bootlegging. And yes, putting chapters behind paywalls counts as bootlegging.

So once a publisher takes note of that? They'll start by reporting your accounts to those payment systems, which will not only ban you from their services, but also reverse as many payments as possible. The loss of funds isn't just immediate. It's retroactive.

And honestly, I am not just pulling this out of my ass. Just check on Nerissa's Barely Competent Jailbird Scans to see what I mean. She's constantly getting her accounts banned by Ko-Fi, and she isn't paywalling anything for any amount of time.

Anyhow, after that the next step is going to be Cease and Desist letters for you, as well as DMCA strikes against MD. Which is bad because that means you're officially on their radar, and MD gets caught in the lines of fire since it's being hosted on their website.

So please. Don't do that. It only hurts everyone, including yourself, in the long run.
Nope, you do are allowed to have advanced chapters behind a paywall that isnt a coin system, but only for a week, bega was banned for having a paywalling, true, but they did tell him and other "paywallers" that they are only allowed to have it for only 1 week, tukii was banned for the paywalling and because they were working with an already banned scan (antipatreon), that was banned for put a link to another web.
What publishers hate is the piracy, not just the bootlegging just the piracy, thats why bato.to got down, i wont put a paywalling but i wont pay for the raws.
 
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Nope, you do are allowed to have advanced chapters behind a paywall that isnt a coin system, but only for a week, bega was banned for having a paywalling, true, but they did tell him and other "paywallers" that they are only allowed to have it for only 1 week, tukii was banned for the paywalling and because they were working with an already banned scan (antipatreon), that was banned for put a link to another web.
What publishers hate is the piracy, not just the bootlegging just the piracy, thats why bato.to got down, i wont put a paywalling but i wont pay for the raws.
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If a translation/group is banned because of an action that would draw legal action towards MangaDex, it makes sense that they would still be banned if they try to upload the same thing that got them banned.
mangadex existing draws legal action. this is like being worried about a parking ticket while robbing a bank.
 
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Its not stupid, Asmodeus trying to profit off of piracy is stupid. Rule 1 is to keep your fucking head down and not do shit that attracts attention (cough cough pointcrow). MangaDex isn't even going to associate with them, they've been hit enough times
MangaDex is trying to profit off of piracy. Why is it stupid if the people doing the work that makes MangaDex relevant try to earn a buck as well? That's a hypocritical take. (Remember, MangaDex is even going corporate now, they're going to make big bucks thanks to the pirates who used their platform.)

Nothing is stopping MD from making a rule "do not drive people to your website with messages such as 'to read/unlock the next chapter'". That would make it fine to link their site on their credit page, as long as they don't advertise the next chapters' availability (be it free or paid).
 
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MangaDex is trying to profit off of piracy. Why is it stupid if the people doing the work that makes MangaDex relevant try to earn a buck as well? That's a hypocritical take. (Remember, MangaDex is even going corporate now, they're going to make big bucks thanks to the pirates who used their platform.)

Nothing is stopping MD from making a rule "do not drive people to your website with messages such as 'to read/unlock the next chapter'". That would make it fine to link their site on their credit page, as long as they don't advertise the next chapters' availability (be it free or paid).
Direct vs indirect. Mangadex is a hosting site
 
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MangaDex is trying to profit off of piracy.
Uhm, no. They're not.

They're trying to profit from NamiComi, which is a self-publishing platform like LINE Webtoon. Hell, if anything, they're probably using profits from running NamiComi to help offset the operating costs of MD.

Running MD is like dumping money into a black hole. It has no returns. Do you really think maintaining an image server, database, and bandwidth for something as big as MD is easy or cheap? If you happen to know otherwise, then I'd love to see the ledger you got.

Don't say that I'm wrong. Prove me wrong.

The only reason why MD continues to exist is because the people that run the site have always supported scanslation as a hobby - not as a means to make money.

Granted, in the past they pretty much allowed scanslators to do whatever they wanted, but only because they didn't want to inhibit anyone at all from doing scanslation. In fact, the more groups providing their own translations on a single title, the better, because that meant that readers would be able to choose between which translation they liked better.

They only had to enact rules curbing profiteering off of scanslation because it was starting to seriously effect the community as a whole. Too many groups were being toxic about it because they wanted to monopolize titles so they could get people to come onto their ad-driven websites and pay for chapters kept behind paywalls.

That, and it also helps avoid troublesome attention from publishers. The only thing a publisher hates more than piracy is outright bootlegging. Paywalling scanslations counts as bootlegging. And a publisher will always prioritize going after the people that are trying to turn a profit on intellectual property they have no legal right to.

Also, by registering as a company in the UK, they're subject to the UK's somewhat more liberal copyright laws as opposed to the USA's incredibly draconian laws. The site won't get hit with another DMCA strike because DMCA is a US copyright law, and therefore not truly enforceable in the UK. Copyright claims can still be made, they just have to go through the UK's legal system instead of the USA's.

(And this is also why we had that rash of titles being taken down due to certain portrayals of young people - it goes against the UK's obscenity laws. Though the staff have walked back on this a bit, limiting themselves only to titles that actually get reported for violating these laws instead of actively seeking them out and removing them. The legal fig leaf here is that the process of uploading new titles is more or less automated, so the legal obligation to act can only be enforced if the staff are directly made aware of a title that violates these laws.)

Anyhow, the only reason why MD got hit with such a huge DMCA strike last year was because a group of publishers saw an opportunity to do a massive, coordinated legal attack on an "the biggest aggregator site" on the internet. Because, just like buying products at a wholesale shopping club, legal fees are cheaper when you're doing it on a bulk rate.

And it was not just to hit MD. They also wanted to remove MD as a means for for-profit scanslators to draw people onto their own websites where they could make money on ad revenue and paywalls, with promises of "early releases", "better quality scans", and "exclusive chapters".

So yeah. It's not hypocritical because they absolutely don't make money off of MD. And by eliminating this behavior of profiteering by scanslators, they're returning things to a more "normal" state.

Most importantly of all is that we're already starting to see the benefits. Without groups like Tuski no Fansub, Asmodeus Scans, and Bega Scanslations being able to lean on others to stay off their "turf", more altruistic scanslators can take over on titles like this one.

But hey, you wanna go turn your money over to those guys? Be my guest. I'd rather be spending mine on getting my truck fixed instead of some chucklefuck who just fed a manga into a large language model AI and copy-pasta'd the "translation" with barely more than a quick proofreading.
 
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I don't mind either way whether they are or aren't profiting off piracy. Piracy is how the platform started and that's the only thing that brings in the big number of visitors MD has (though I have some opinions about fan translations not equaling 'piracy' and it not being the right word, but that's irrelevant). Running any sort of platform or community is rather thankless, so after several years of running and fostering this: good for them. I don't care if they are profiting or whether they're trying to.
Most importantly of all is that we're already starting to see the benefits. Without groups like Tuski no Fansub, Asmodeus Scans, and Bega Scanslations being able to lean on others to stay off their "turf", more altruistic scanslators can take over on titles like this one.
They could've cracked down prior whenever they wanted, the risks of not being tougher/keeping the status quo just didn't seem big enough and after suffering the results, they changed opinions. That's not "starting to see the benefit", that's the result of the heavy loss that was the DMCA nuke.

For example: has GDS been banned yet? Or are they too big to fail? Not that I want them to fail, but we all know how they act when someone takes on their limbo/seemingly dropped projects. That's far more harmful to the community than someone translating something without any translations and having a paywall with a few translated chapters on their own site.

Anyway, I don't have enough strong opinions about this to write more, it's not that I strongly disagree with anything you've said. I just oppose the hypocrisy when they could've chosen a middle way solution by disallowing promoting their site or linking if it contains paywalls. Now I'm wondering: do they treat sites with advertisements the same? Probably not, hm.
 
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Uhm, no. They're not.

They're trying to profit from NamiComi, which is a self-publishing platform like LINE Webtoon. Hell, if anything, they're probably using profits from running NamiComi to help offset the operating costs of MD.

Running MD is like dumping money into a black hole. It has no returns. Do you really think maintaining an image server, database, and bandwidth for something as big as MD is easy or cheap? If you happen to know otherwise, then I'd love to see the ledger you got.

Don't say that I'm wrong. Prove me wrong.
Mangadex has been attempting to leverage their userbase here to profit off them on another website they own. Fakku and Cruchyroll went through a similar process until they completely removed all scanlated/subbed content and all that was left was official and for-pay/paywalled. The flip side is that they did it while the major Japanese publishers didn't have as strong of a foothold in the US as they do now. Now there's all these pay-by-chapter sites that are either run by third parties or the publishers themselves. I'm not sure why Mangadex thinks they can go legit in this environment, but they are absolutely trying to profit off "piracy" in the short term. This is without even considering the merch or donation requests in the past. They're already a larger target for DMCA requests since they've complied once before.

I'm also not sure where you're getting the story that the publishers got/get upset specifically about for-pay/paywalling scanlators. You can go check the series that had their chapters removed in the purge. Many of them were scanlated years back, and a good number of those groups don't even exist anymore.
 

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