Nihonkoku Shoukan - Vol. 11 Ch. 51 - The Republic of Parpaldia

[NARESH4444]

Starting from WW2 you get technology, where having zero casualties fights is not a given anymore.

Especially if that nation has a big standing army or manpower and lots of war supplies.

While that may be true, air superiority is still king in modern warfare, and I severely doubt a WW2 plane can compete with modern fighters and bombers in any capacity.
Its not gonna be as lopsided as vs an 18 century army, but it shouldn't be that hard.

It's actually possible to be quite lopsided,depending on where that "WWII" tech comes from.

Most of it would be the interwar tech with new upgrades,but it would still be outranged quite easily.

In fact...

Parpaldia Arc is over, and now we're entering the series' longest arc, CONSUMING GAS AT 500 PER KILOMETER, the Gra Valkas Arc.

...the operational ranges would be the only thing holding Japan back.

It would even be possible to force a submission through long range suprise submarine attack on every ship n' major port,they'd just need a lot of tending to.

Iron,has a map been made for the unmapped region yet or we'll we have to wait for the comic to actually give us one?

 

[TsuKano]

Type 89-F also known as the Type 89 Para.
Basically a Type 89 with a folding stock.
This one is/was used by various units in the JSDF.

Thank you. So it was indeed the Type 89!

Yes they're kinda stuck. They serve as advisors to the JSDF, especially in the R & D and operations of aircraft carriers. They'll only join the fight if the Japanese home islands are invaded

Oh my… now that is interesting… I might need to read on that when I have time

Also considering the.. future battles…


a naval battle between a WWII tech level nation and a 4IR tech level nation would be interesting for sure. Since IJN ships were… not used by Japan anymore I guess…

 

[IronMace1990]

It's actually possible to be quite lopsided,depending on where that "WWII" tech comes from.

Most of it would be the interwar tech with new upgrades,but it would still be outranged quite easily.

In fact...

...the operational ranges would be the only thing holding Japan back.

It would even be possible to force a submission through long range suprise submarine attack on every ship n' major port,they'd just need a lot of tending to.

Iron,has a map been made for the unmapped region yet or we'll we have to wait for the comic to actually give us one?

The LN had the official map. You can look at the Nihonkoku Shoukan Fandom page. But it only revealed the eastern shores of the Gra Valkan mainland, not the whole thing.

As for a map of the lands further west than the Gra Valkan mainland, unfortunately no.

 

[feha]

You're already quoting that part where it says they they HAILED FROM THE WESTERN SEAS!!!!! And at this point in time everyone knows who and where is Japan, go back and look at the map and look at where is Japan Located in the new world? Again you're mixing up stuff.

We know where japan is (center of the map, obviously), but we have no idea where paganda is. Considering they said the nation whose landmass appeared overnight is in their western seas, I would assume pagandia is to the east of japan.

Either way though, far enough west would bring you east, so it could just have been that they took a roundabout route to avoid some huge landmass. We have never seen a good map of that world (only small sections of it), so we can't know yet (though even if we had seen one, it is not like there is any other nation that had its landmass appear recent enough to be uncharted by all that worlds civs. So would sooner expect an error in the reporting[in universe] or writing [by author] or even translation, than I would hop to assuming there is another summoned nation all of a sudden without any mentions until now).

 

[NARESH4444]

The LN had the official map. You can look at the Nihonkoku Shoukan Fandom page. But it only revealed the eastern shores of the Gra Valkan mainland, not the whole thing.

As for a map of the lands further west than the Gra Valkan mainland, unfortunately no.

I see.

And holy Hell,why is the page lagging so badly.

 

[vergotear]

We know where japan is (center of the map, obviously), but we have no idea where paganda is. Considering they said the nation whose landmass appeared overnight is in their western seas, I would assume pagandia is to the east of japan.

Either way though, far enough west would bring you east, so it could just have been that they took a roundabout route to avoid some huge landmass. We have never seen a good map of that world (only small sections of it), so we can't know yet (though even if we had seen one, it is not like there is any other nation that had its landmass appear recent enough to be uncharted by all that worlds civs. So would sooner expect an error in the reporting[in universe] or writing [by author] or even translation, than I would hop to assuming there is another summoned nation all of a sudden without any mentions until now).

Wow, Japan is the center of the world! You might have said you took a look at previous chapters but it seems you missed in Ch. 18 pg 10 where the Parpaldia receptionist pointed that Japan was to the Far East of the "civilized" areas. And TOTALLY missed this map here in chapter 36, page 8
https://mangadex.org/chapter/ffacdc39-f251-44af-a350-918de2d612f4/8

Now tell me where is Japan and where is the Mu continent? Now extrapolate with map in the last page of this chapter where they show the whole of the Mu continent and if you missed it The Country of Leifor and the PAGANDA Kingdom are marked in the fricking map! Yet you keep saying we don't know where Paganda is, WTF are you smoking!? Are you even looking at the map? Are you even reading that first text box? It's like you're an American that can't even read a map to save your life.

Right now you're just making a complete mess of everything in your head, missing every mark like an imperial stormtrooper and doubling down on your own mistaken assumptions despite every evidence, like they've already established diplomatic relations with Mu since ch. 28, they're already known to all major powers and their location. And basically that they're showing Japan's next enemy that is an Emerging country west of Mu.

And that's just using materials available from the manga.

Also even if you go west enough from Mu or in this case the revealed Gra Valkas or go east from Japan you wouldn't go around to the other side before hitting something else. You're like Columbus assuming you'd reach Asia by sailing West and not stumble into a new unknown continent. The planet they're in is 2.5 times the diameter of Earth. The hemisphere shown in that map in ch 36 pg8 is just the known side with what they call the civilized areas. There's a totally unexplored side of the planet. I'm putting this here behind spoiler because I can't remember if this was mentioned in the manga, but it was mentioned early on in the novel to account for the map size, the continents and flatter curvature and horizon.
You may even check the wn/ln updated known map here and see what's west of Mu: https://nihonkoku-shoukan.fandom.com/wiki/New_World?file=Map_of_the_civilized_area.png

 

[feha]

Wow, Japan is the center of the world! You might have said you took a look at previous chapters but it seems you missed in Ch. 18 pg 10 where the Parpaldia receptionist pointed that Japan was to the Far East of the "civilized" areas. And TOTALLY missed this map here in chapter 36, page 8
https://mangadex.org/chapter/ffacdc39-f251-44af-a350-918de2d612f4/8

Now tell me where is Japan and where is the Mu continent? Now extrapolate with map in the last page of this chapter where they show the whole of the Mu continent and if you missed it The Country of Leifor and the PAGANDA Kingdom are marked in the fricking map! Yet you keep saying we don't know where Paganda is, WTF are you smoking!? Are you even looking at the map? Are you even reading that first text box? It's like you're an American that can't even read a map to save your life.

Right now you're just making a complete mess of everything in your head, missing every mark like an imperial stormtrooper and doubling down on your own mistaken assumptions despite every evidence, like they've already established diplomatic relations with Mu since ch. 28, they're already known to all major powers and their location. And basically that they're showing Japan's next enemy that is an Emerging country west of Mu.

"Are you even looking at the map?"
I never looked at the maps yeah, didn't feel like they matter anyway (though for this discussion they do... but I never expected an argument about which country is the newly summoned one, to start focusing on stuff like cardinal directions mentioned. In most novels, those things change every chapter and has no consistency, anyway), particularly as all I did see always seemed really zoomed in like the one we saw this chapter with paganda. And yes, japan would be center on their maps if they don't arbitrarily decide to be silly and adopt other nations as the center for no good historical reason (good ones such a huge brittish empire).

But with the maps you provided, we do indeed suddenly see that japan is in pagandas western seas. In the first map, it has mu (and thus paganda) to the leftmost edge, cutoff as this is not a complete world-map apparently (iirc mu was the only ones that did have a complete world-map (apart from it not showing japan yet)? so that makes sense). Then we see japan on the rightmost edge. Then using the second map to re-center it [the first map] on paganda, and knowing the world wraps around if you go far enough in either direction, we can see that japan is just west of paganda.
This makes sense, as the envoys ["from the west"] that paganda killed was from a nation whose landmass hadn't even been charted yet, aka a summoned nation. And most likely japan is the only summoned nation, so that strengthens our conclusion.

And that's just using materials available from the manga.

Fairly certain we do not have access to anything else (since a novel would have gone beyond the manga and thus discourse including it would contain spoilers). But if there is an anime, I have not watched it, indeed.

Also even if you go west enough from Mu or in this case the revealed Gra Valkas or go east from Japan you wouldn't go around to the other side before hitting something else. You're like Columbus assuming you'd reach Asia by sailing West and not stumble into a new unknown continent. The planet they're in is 2.5 times the diameter of Earth. The hemisphere shown in that map in ch 36 pg8 is just the known side with what they call the civilized areas. There's a totally unexplored side of the planet. I'm putting this here behind spoiler because I can't remember if this was mentioned in the manga, but it was mentioned early on in the novel to account for the map size, the continents and flatter curvature and horizon.
You may even check the wn/ln updated known map here and see what's west of Mu: https://nihonkoku-shoukan.fandom.com/wiki/New_World?file=Map_of_the_civilized_area.png

I am fairly certain we have never even heard of gra valkas? though it is a name, so if we have, I probably have forgotten it already. Either way though, you would simply need to go a bit more west past them and still wrap around to japan. It is not like islands (or continents, if there is suddenly yet another one despite the world map clearly being meant to mimic our world slightly and it thus would surprise me to see anything bigger than a tiny island-nation inbetween) creates a discontinuity in cardinal directions.
Also, when was the planets diameter ever mentioned? I assume early on, since it can be discovered fairly easy with modern knowledge. But that is yet another detail I am surprised you remember because I most definitely do not put those things to memory. But with 2.5x the diameter, that means those pseudo-america and pseudo-eurasia continents we have seen, must be wa larger than I thought. Makes that antagonist-empire from past arc quite impressive to have conquered and held such a territory while stuck in the age of exploration (sailboats and cannons and such). I guess it must have been a recent expansion where Mu's communication tech really helped them (sure, for the size of a nation, the speed of punitive forces do matter somewhat. but the speed of missives do even moreso).

Oh, wait, you are saying this spoiler might be an actual spoiler? I think I will mark my response as one too, just in case, then. Either way, it would be very minor considering geography in fantasy novels never matter, so I guess it would be fine either way. Particularly compared to all the cleartext spoilers about the upcoming arc ppl have been saying in this thread already



ps: I did enjoy your references to famously misguided (in different ways) things from fiction, such as stormtroopers and america

pps: I am fairly certain we have yet to see any foreign cartographers allowed to properly chart japan. Both its exact position, and coastline, and topology, and etc. And would be extremely surprised if japan had shared their own maps.

 

[Zefia_07]

Ah, the long wait for this series was worth it, even if it took a long time for an update. Finally, the main series is about to begin. Oh yes, I want to ask Novel readers (spoiler), I have read until I reached the end of the story where the kingdom of Gra Valkas was almost defeated (I forgot in WN ch). The problem is when I want to read it again all the chapters are gone / maybe deleted including the side stories. I know this is unethical but in my country this series has not been published yet, so I hope Adsense can pay for it even though I don't know if it will reach the author or not.There is a side story there that I really want to continue reading, it tells about domestic affairs. How Japan handles ambassadors complain from all over the world, Japan is a tourism country so some people (whether from the US, China, Russia, Europe, etc.) work, live, or travel are also affected. It also tells the story of how Japan negotiated with the US ambassador for access to advanced military technology (Eg. military satellites, high-precision missiles, etc. US is very advanced in the military field) to survive in a world of swords and sorcery since the first day they were together in a different world. That's why I love this story, even though it takes so long to update, and perhaps someday this manga will never end, including the side stories. Therefore, thank you for the update.