Nimotsu Mochi no Nousuji Musou - Vol. 1 Ch. 1 - Outcast

[Zacoras]

do you know? do you know how much i've read this shit? IT'S MORE THAN A FUCKING HUNDRED TIMES ALREADY!!!
ah dude, i want to throw this gadget of mine

Yeah the abandoning cliche is strong in this manga, but I just hope the Mangaka don't be (j e r k) making a "Forgive everything bad thing we do" that came with the cliche

BTW in the "abandoning because your useless" cliche manga in "Ochikobore kuni o deru" they have the most cruel and karmic revenge for EVERYONE

 

[Axbinus]

He had some sort of awakening but still got is ass kicked lol

 

[TwisterJR]

Right. I understand the idea of firing someone useless, or in this case easily replaced by a tool.
But why this trend of kicking them out in the depth of a dangerous place?
Is this the only way the authors can think of establishing that the team is evil? Some do a slightly better job by firing the MC in town at least, and use other ways to signify how nasty the team (leader or whole team) can be.

One question though...
What would happen if you combine this special backpack with his unique skill? Would he be able to carry 50,000 of... whatever the unit is?

Maybe

 

[sjmcc13]

He had some sort of awakening but still got is ass kicked lol

His skills do not make him strong directly, and the party all have better base combat stats then he currently does.

Spoiler

If anything what is happening is the party was getting weaker, as his party buff is no longer affecting them.

Thought that might be him acquiring a new skill, he gets appraised early in the WN and has 2 skills he was not aware of,. Apparently 1 had been there for a while, the party was not spending money on him they did not have to and appraisals cost money, but this could be the other developing.

Spoiler: Existing Unknown Skill

Buffs party members, the more he is carrying the bigger the buff

Spoiler: New Skill

It triples his carry capacity to 3000

One thing I found amusing, after glancing at the party leader side chapters,

Spoiler

He has not really grown in ability since basically the MC joined, he thinks he has been growing but it is really the MC's buff making him stronger, and stropped training since he thought he was getting stronger without bothering to do any.

Spoiler: How MC grows in strength

His strength will come from synergy between his skill and the girl at the ends skill.

Spoiler

Hers makes buff items but there is a complication that severely limits how many can be equipped,
His provides a loophole for that limitation, allowing him to equip multiples and stack the effects.

 

[GreyUsagi]

Right. I understand the idea of firing someone useless, or in this case easily replaced by a tool.
But why this trend of kicking them out in the depth of a dangerous place?
Is this the only way the authors can think of establishing that the team is evil? Some do a slightly better job by firing the MC in town at least, and use other ways to signify how nasty the team (leader or whole team) can be.

One question though...
What would happen if you combine this special backpack with his unique skill? Would he be able to carry 50,000 of... whatever the unit is?

yeah, was thinking what happen with a load of 50.000, can't just store something heavy and use it like a weapon, or just load a a full set of camping, food and hunt confy?

 

[MrGrinns]

So am i missing something here? His innate skill increases his carry weight by 10 times giving him a CW of 1000. The pack sets a persons base carry weight to 5k automatically. So if they kept him on they could've increased the partys carry weight to 50,000 instead of 5,000. Maybe thats not how it works but what would be the point of getting rid of their porter? Now they have the bag that increases CW but they have to carry everything themselves now? I genuinely dont understand their motivations. Just give the porter the bag and now you have a skilled porter and a magical bag that lets him carry a small house on his back

 

[kzaofkkua]

It's a matter of vanity. A low rank non-combatant party member sticks out like a sore thumb in a party of high level combatants, so they cut him out and become a party of just s-rankers.

 

[Robbini]

Right. I understand the idea of firing someone useless, or in this case easily replaced by a tool.
But why this trend of kicking them out in the depth of a dangerous place?
Is this the only way the authors can think of establishing that the team is evil? Some do a slightly better job by firing the MC in town at least, and use other ways to signify how nasty the team (leader or whole team) can be.

One question though...
What would happen if you combine this special backpack with his unique skill? Would he be able to carry 50,000 of... whatever the unit is?

Kicking them out in dangerous places means they can claim they died gloriously, instead of taking the risk that they'll spread the truth in public

 

[ninjamz]

Then... as he looked up and what he saw was... PANTIES!!! WHITE PANTIES!!!!

 

[Wyrm]

Kicking them out in dangerous places means they can claim they died gloriously, instead of taking the risk that they'll spread the truth in public

What truth? If they kick him out back in town, the only truth would be that they expelled someone that is less useful than a magic backpack.
Heck, the guy thought he had a good relationship with his party and was pretty weak-willed to begin with, so it's unlikely that he would have gone around bad-mouthing his former party anyway.
They entirely created the situation they need to hide.

MC - Why are you killing me?
Party - Because we need to hide that we killed you.

Sounds stupid? It is. This is evil for the sake of being evil. Not for any logical purpose.

Or are you telling me that they absolutely needed to steal his pendant? That's so cheap it would still come back to "evil for its own sake". (And I saw it as an afterthought. That was not their original motive.)

 

[sjmcc13]

What truth? If they kick him out back in town, the only truth would be that they expelled someone that is less useful than a magic backpack.

Because these, like the majority of stories, are based on the culture of the writer and the culture of the intended audience.
Here both are Japan's culture. If you do not want to understand the culture, do not read things that rely on understanding it.

In Japan there is a stigma against firing someone, they bully people into quitting because quitting is better for their public image. Their work/employment culture is VERY different from the US.

They are dumping him in dungeon to hide that they fired someone, because firing someone in the middle of the city will look bad for them no questions asked, especially if the reason is not "you suck at your job" buit "we found an item that makes you redundant".
They are self centered, and dumping him in the way that costs them the least, as this means no severance pay, and no bad reputation.

This is not a stupid act, it is cruel and evil yes, but it is the option that from their perspective and based on the information they have at hand, is the most beneficial for them.

Everything centers around their reputation, because their goals require that the reputation meet criteria that they do not meet. A dead "teammate" better serves their reputation then a fired one does.

 

[Arenesos]

Because these, like the majority of stories, are based on the culture of the writer and the culture of the intended audience.
Here both are Japan's culture. If you do not want to understand the culture, do not read things that rely on understanding it.

In Japan there is a stigma against firing someone, they bully people into quitting because quitting is better for their public image. Their work/employment culture is VERY different from the US.

They are dumping him in dungeon to hide that they fired someone, because firing someone in the middle of the city will look bad for them no questions asked, especially if the reason is not "you suck at your job" buit "we found an item that makes you redundant".
They are self centered, and dumping him in the way that costs them the least, as this means no severance pay, and no bad reputation.

This is not a stupid act, it is cruel and evil yes, but it is the option that from their perspective and based on the information they have at hand, is the most beneficial for them.

Everything centers around their reputation, because their goals require that the reputation meet criteria that they do not meet. A dead "teammate" better serves their reputation then a fired one does.

Lol that sometimes happens in the U.S as well. At my workplace my boss makes the useless people quit by giving them the worst jobs and the ones that require a ton of overtime. We also help and its super satisfying making people who can't do their job correctly depressed.

 

[sjmcc13]

Lol that sometimes happens in the U.S as well. At my workplace my boss makes the useless people quit by giving them the worst jobs and the ones that require a ton of overtime. We also help and its super satisfying making people who can't do their job correctly depressed.

Yes, but the reason is different in the US.
You do not get unemployment if you quit, so driving people to quit is better for the bottom line.

 

[Arenesos]

Yes, but the reason is different in the US.
You do not get unemployment if you quit, so driving people to quit is better for the bottom line.

Ahh yeah I understand that.
(BTW I sounded mean but the job I do is insanely easy if you have a brain, so people who can't keep up kill our bottom line and could actually kill us in the process)

 

[Wyrm]

Because these, like the majority of stories, are based on the culture of the writer and the culture of the intended audience.
Here both are Japan's culture. If you do not want to understand the culture, do not read things that rely on understanding it.

And your condescending tone is misplaced.
I understand that much about Japan, though it's also a generic rule, not an absolute one.
And it rarely translates into these stories.

In Japan as anywhere else, killing someone is worse than firing him. (Obviously... or so I hope. What kind of psychopath would think the other way around?) Not to mention that in most stories like this one, firing someone is not a problem at all. That's how you have many stories starting with a party exile that takes place in their base or inn. (I can't tell which is happening the most though: in cities or in a deadly location. But there are enough of each that there is no clear rule.) And "firing someone" is never the problem. If anything, the fired character is always the one carrying the stigma of being fired until the party is shown to be deficient without the MC. (In rare cases, this was already a known fact outside of the party, so this happens pretty quickly.)

So we're back to a situation where a party fires someone in the worst possible situation just for the sake of being shown as evil. And they're using an outright criminal mean to "cover" (very unreliably) the fact that they did something merely "disreputable".

Also... severance pay? Is there even such a thing in this setting? Many of these stories go the extra mile where the party requests any resource the exiled individual has... basically a reverse severance pay. So let's not assume this exists here one way or the other.

 

[YamiryuuZero]

OH MY GOD, CAN WE STOP WITH THIS "STRONGEST" TROPE!?

What happened to working towards the goal of becoming the strongest? What happened to overcoming impossible odds in other to stand at the top!?

 

[CthulhuSans]

A very basic opening chapter that leans really hard into what other stories have done but gets a pretty big negative IMO with the introduction of the FL after a "traumatic event". Maybe give it 1 or 2 more chapter before it's not for me

 

[abos]

So am i missing something here? His innate skill increases his carry weight by 10 times giving him a CW of 1000. The pack sets a persons base carry weight to 5k automatically. So if they kept him on they could've increased the partys carry weight to 50,000 instead of 5,000. Maybe thats not how it works but what would be the point of getting rid of their porter? Now they have the bag that increases CW but they have to carry everything themselves now? I genuinely dont understand their motivations. Just give the porter the bag and now you have a skilled porter and a magical bag that lets him carry a small house on his back

Author make any idiot reason... And it how ended... '-'

 

[kaminomikan]

seriously, why do they ever think they are teammates? when he is being treated as a servant at best.

Now mc, get your cheat, become more wussy and don't take revenge, like the pseudo jap mc you are.

 

[Ladmxt]

man, this trope is so extremely overused. it's not even that good. 0 substance and very repetitive. actually generic as fuck. do japanese readers really like these kind of story/trope? cheat skill trope is so lazy and uninspired, i cant believe that theyre serializing tons of these nonsense.

i really liked this kind of trope before but i realized how actually bland it is.